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TSsoulfly
post Aug 23 2005, 11:19 PM, updated 20y ago

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TCCD/TCC5 Overclocking Database and Discussions

Having overclocking problem with your TCCD? Some questions that we usually overcome with TCCD and TCC5 chips.......
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How to get my TCCD running DDR700 at 1T?
TCC5 good meh?
My friend TCC5 is faster than my TCCD, how leh?
My TCCD can memtest stable, but cannot Prime... help me!
How much voltage do I need for DDR600?
Why I cannot run 1T ah?
Why my RAM heatspreader not as nice as yours? Sticket also faded faded edi!

So... I hope this is the best thread to share our results on TCCD/TCC5 discussions. I don't see any relevance in separating TCCD and TCC5 as they are basically the same chip/ic, which is Samsung K4H560838F. To make this database possible, you guys need to post your best DDR speed which is stable enough to run SuperPi 32M. Don't forget to include your CPU-Z verification link. Necessary utilities like SuperPi mod and CPU-Z 1.30 is provided at the bottom of this posting.

Categories are divided to single channel and dual channel. 2x dual channel will be added if there is any. AMD or Intel does not matter, as long as it fulfills the requirement. Ranking is sorted according to the highest DDR speed, followed by timing and then voltage. Lower voltage will have better advantage compare to higher timing.

Rules
Just like any other database, please include your:
1. CPU, chipset and FSB:RAM divider used.
2. RAM brand, TCCD or TCC5.
3. RAM speed, timing and voltage.
4. Screenshot of SuperPi 32M (pass) with 2 CPU-Z which shows "CPU" and "Memory" section. Please use thumbnail or attach to the posting to make things neater. Avoid direct image linking if possible.
5. Include CPU-Z verification link.

Example:
user posted image
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=41342
CPU: AMD Sempron 2800+
Chipset: nF3 250Gb
Divider: 5/06
RAM brand: 512MB OCZ EL DDR PC-3200 Platinum Rev.2 1.1 (TCC5)
Speed : 270MHz, 2.5-4-3-10 @ 2.8V
*Ignore screenie, it's just an example of posting template

This database purpose is to help others, rather than for show-off purpose. Each person can post more than one result, as long as it came from different brand. There is no need to cheat to get into the chart, as there is no minimum ranking for this database.

Utilities:
CPU-Z v1.30
SuperPi mod 1.4

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kianwee
post Aug 23 2005, 11:54 PM

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Have you tried DRAM Drive Strength - Level 7?


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post Aug 24 2005, 12:06 AM

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32 Byte Granularity - Disable(8 Bursts)

put 4bursts....
ur ram voltage wil be lower as 2.8 or 2.9

last times i oso face tis problem n run my tccd at 3.3v
flash to 618-3 bios n no hav 8bursts for me...so i choose 4 bursts n my ram vdimm drop til 2.9v@300fsb
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post Aug 24 2005, 12:09 AM

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How about this?

http://www.ministryofoverclocking.net/foru...wtopic.php?t=39


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post Aug 24 2005, 02:46 AM

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Genie BIOS Settings:
FSB Bus Frequency - 300
AGP Bus Frequency - 67mhz
Clock Spread Spectrum - Disabled
LDT Downstream Width - Auto
LDT Upstream Width - Auto
LDT/FSB Frequency - x2
CPU/FSB Frequency Ratio - 8x
K8 Cool 'n' Quiet Support - Disable

CPU VID Control - xx
CPU VID Special Control - Above VID * xx
Chip Set Voltage Control - 1.90v
AGP Voltage Control - 1.60v
DRAM Voltage Control - 3.10v

DRAM Configuration:
DRAM Frequency Set - 200 (DRAM/FSB:1/1)
Command Per Clock (CPC) - Enable
CAS Latency Control (Tcl) - 2.5
RAS# to CAS# delay (Trcd) - 04 Bus Clocks
Min RAS# active time (Tras) - 7 Bus Clocks
Row precharge time (Trp) - 03 Bus Clocks
Row Cycle time (Trc) - 07 Bus Clocks ---> 9-10
Row refresh cyc time (Trfc) - 14 Bus Clocks -->16
Row to Row delay (Trrd) - 03 Bus Clocks
Write recovery time (Twr) - 03 Bus Clocks
Write to Read delay (Twtr) - 02 Bus Clocks
Read to Write delay (Trwt) - 03 Bus Clocks
Refresh Period (Tref) - 4708 Cycles --> 3072
Write CAS Latency (Twcl) - Auto --> 1
DRAM Bank Interleave - Enabled

DQS Skew Control - Increase --> decrease
DQS Skew Value - 0 --> 128
DRAM Drive Strength - Level 1 --> try 1 3 5 7
DRAM Data Drive Strength - Auto --> try 1 or 2
Max Async Latency - 8.0ns
Read Preamble Time - 6.0ns
IdleCycle Limit - 128 Cycles --> 256
Dynamic Counter - Disable
R/W Queue Bypass - 16 x --> 8x
Bypass Max - 07 x --> 4x
32 Byte Granularity - Disable(8 Bursts)
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no luck yet so far.... but it's getting interesting laugh.gif

will restart from the scratch

what i like about my TCC5 is that it runs DDR400 2-2-2-5 with only 2.6V, 100% stable with memtest, prime and superpi32M thumbup.gif
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my TCCD ddr600 memtest at 2.5v tongue.gif

play around with your Max async and read preamble.. try a few combination
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i wanted to try 2.5V but when i put 2.5V the reading is still around 2.6V

but heck... the default voltage OCZ suggested was 2.75V laugh.gif

no much luck yet sad.gif

i can do DDR600 2.5-4-3-7 at 2.8V with some errors during memtest. can run superpi 1M and run sisandra memory benchmark only

maybe it's just my Palermo D0 memory controller at the limit blush.gif
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post Aug 24 2005, 10:46 PM

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may i know wat diffrent between tcc5 n tccd??
timing??
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TCC5 is binned at 466MHz by Samsung
TCCD is binned at 500MHz by Samsung

both are from the same die (revision F), which means they should have the same overclocking potential.

lower speed binning actually reduces manufacturing cost

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http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=27814
2.5-4-4-8@321*9@3.0v@1:1

but after i burn in for few day...now can make it at 2.5-4-3-6 2.9v 321@1:1

no time to benmark jor...kinda lazy now...hahaha
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post Aug 24 2005, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(soulfly @ Aug 24 2005, 11:23 PM)
Sandy very good ler, not worth comparing my cheapo Palermo D0, lil bro of Winnie laugh.gif
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no lah...fx-57 more power full laugh.gif
so u fast fast get 1 unit sandy loh... tongue.gif tongue.gif

cos i wanna change my ram soon...i wanna find a tccd ram tat can do at ddr600@2-2-2-5@1:1 sweat.gif

but ur ram oso not bad, can do at 2.5-4-3-6@ddr600

QUOTE(DaBaD @ Aug 24 2005, 11:33 PM)
Pergh!!!!  drool.gif  drool.gif  drool.gif

Cool man...cool...how did u burn in?
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memtest86 wit 12hours then stop for a while...if u got a good cooling then no need to stop... n i found prime95 is a good software to burn in ur pc...

cos every time i open 2(means run prime95 two at the same times) n run fft at 1024mb.

290*10 wil fail at 1h16min at the 1st... mb my cooling no really good...
my ram d@mn hot vmad.gif

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post Aug 24 2005, 11:38 PM

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TCCD ddr600 2-2-2-5???

ur SanDiego is a gem.. keep it.. the SanDiegos i've seen have problem with TCCD.. including mine..
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got such tccd ddr600 2-2-2-5 meh?

i tot... tccd ddr600 2.5-3-3-x-1T is already super
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QUOTE(babyelf @ Aug 24 2005, 11:38 PM)
TCCD ddr600 2-2-2-5???

ur SanDiego is a gem.. keep it.. the SanDiegos i've seen have problem with TCCD.. including mine..
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i argee too...cos my bh-5@2-2-2-5@1:1@3.7v can prime stable for 3hours at 265*11..without any problem smile.gif

QUOTE(soulfly @ Aug 24 2005, 11:40 PM)
got such tccd ddr600 2-2-2-5 meh?

i tot... tccd ddr600 2.5-3-3-x-1T is already super
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ya...tat y i need to find a good tccd can run at 2-2-2-5 wub.gif wub.gif thumbup.gif
i think onli geil can do it...but the price sweat.gif sweat.gif
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post Aug 24 2005, 11:49 PM

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babyelf gem...mind send to me n let me try the speed tongue.gif

1. babyelf - 8125 PTS - Gskill LE TCCD @ 7-3-3-2.5 @ @ 302 MHZ @ 1T @ 2.73 VDIMM


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QUOTE(kelvin_hata @ Aug 24 2005, 11:44 PM)
i argee too...cos my bh-5@2-2-2-5@1:1@3.7v can prime stable for 3hours at 265*11..without any problem smile.gif
ya...tat y i need to find a good tccd can run at 2-2-2-5 wub.gif  wub.gif  thumbup.gif
i think onli geil can do it...but the price sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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TCCD that runs 2-2-2-5 at what speed?

which geil can do what?

if u're talking about the Geil One memory u've been deceived by their marketing tactics..

They used a x4 multiplier (which is a bug on Athlon64) and actual ram speed is not DDR600 2-2-2-5.. it is lower

mind sharing your BH-5 alpha timings?


1. babyelf - 8125 PTS - Gskill LE TCCD @ 7-3-3-2.5 @ @ 302 MHZ @ 1T @ 2.73 VDIMM

that was with my other processor.. not my Sandiego.. my Sandiego don't like TCCD.. that's why you don't see me testing my TCCD on my sandiego
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and also... CL1.5 by Geil also marketing gimmick, where the CL1.5 is actually non-existence in A64 memory timings

Geil sure got lotsa marketing gimmick eh?
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Aug 24 2005, 11:57 PM)
and also... CL1.5 by Geil also marketing gimmick, where the CL1.5 is actually non-existence in A64 memory timings

Geil sure got lotsa marketing gimmick eh?
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3 possibilities
1. their engineers bodoh
2. their engineers didn't read A64 white paper
3. they know.. but mau tipu consumers

and btw..

there's 2 Geil One modules

one is BH-5 and one is TCCD..

their Geil One TCCD is actually not bad.. but a bit too pricey.. don't think i'll get one..

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post Aug 25 2005, 12:00 AM

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i didt set all...onli set the timing...cos last time i buy all stuff, n i cant find gskill ram in lyn tat y i tempory use my old bh-5 to run 1st...

last times buy tis baby at rm400 onli 256 corsair 3200 rev1.1, on b'cos run at single channel n didt do any benmark, jus use tat ram to burn in my proc smile.gif

but ur superpi using sandy vy fast wat...abt 27sec finish 1mb jor...

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