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Photography The Official Nikon Discussion thread V10, The dark lord continues

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vearn27
post Jun 28 2011, 02:49 AM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jun 28 2011, 02:43 AM)
thats cos u never had to spend 30mins touching up just 1 photo before tongue.gif
i'm pretty sure eventually the more couples u shoot etc, one of them will ask you to soften their wrinkles or fine lines etc that is very obvious...and that is a very irritating job to do right.
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I'm not shooting any portraiture yet, mostly happenings and event flow. I do receive such request before from the bride's mother reminding me to wash the wrinkles off her face laugh.gif

Almost 5 times she reminded me for the morning session alone.

I'm yet to move into serious editing or PP, I'll let my friend handle that at the moment while I'm getting my shots better smile.gif
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post Jun 28 2011, 03:13 AM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jun 28 2011, 02:43 AM)
like these 2 pics...my friend using his canon 7d...jpg straight out of camera.
took me 30mins to get to that edit...and its still a rushed job.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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This is when and why good makeup artist is very very very crucial tongue.gif

I have friends attracted to a bridal studio not because of the stunning photos, but because the makeup on the their makeup artist smile.gif

QUOTE(Calvin Pixels @ Jun 28 2011, 03:00 AM)
Aperture(gotta be careful don't want f/6.x appear again) and shutter i have no problem im only iso 'chicken' (playing nokia N8 too much always set 100-400 iso max) , since andy have explain how high iso works and your input about focal length ratio to shutter speed i roughtly get the idea(testing out today in campus. I'm focusing 50% on editing because this week i have product photography to do biggrin.gif

thnks to the person who PM me this link -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFVbLMR8vjc
i wont go extreme anymore
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You gotta understand how Aperture relates to Depth of Field (DOF) and again, not to worry much about ISO at the moment. You'll be fine at range from 1600 to 3200.



Anyone, I'm not sure if I gotten the link here or somewhere else. I came across a page translated from Chinese if I'm not mistaken which they go into details in comparing between the new 50mm f/1.8G and 50mm f/1.8D. Please if anyone would post the link again? Thanks smile.gif

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post Jun 28 2011, 11:39 AM

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I'm not sure if I gotten the link here or somewhere else. I came across a page translated from Chinese if I'm not mistaken which they go into details in comparing between the new 50mm f/1.8G and 50mm f/1.8D. Please if anyone would post the link again? Thanks smile.gif
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post Jul 1 2011, 02:28 PM

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Actually, what are the key differences between FX and DX beside the crop factor and focus points?

For example:

17-55 f/2.8 (25.5-85.5 after multiply with factor) on D7000/D300s VS 24-70 f/2.8 on D700.

Is there really significant difference on the photo quality output of the combination above?
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post Jul 1 2011, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(geekster129 @ Jul 1 2011, 02:32 PM)
I heard people say ISO performance will be better because of the larger sensor size.

Correct me if I'm wrong. notworthy.gif
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Yeah, I do read this too that ISO toleration will be much better on the larger sensor.

However, with the new technology from Nikon especially the chipset EXPEED 2, the ISO performance has been very great and many claimed it's comparable to D700?

Well, perhaps the refreshed D700 model will re-open the gap again smile.gif
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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Jul 1 2011, 02:39 PM)
i heard my friend said, ya. just like geekster said ISO performance will be a lot better because larger sensor size.

larger sensor size, lower noise will be produced because the sensor allow more light absorb compare to crop factor.
beside that, have more control is default setting for the nikon marketing la...and burst shot and focus point also more than mid range to make them expensive haha  laugh.gif
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Camera ergonomic, max burst shots and focus points doesn't really much affect photo quality. Then it's more to user preferences and adaptation for what's holding.

What I'm trying to point out is, would the photo delivered by the two combinations above are almost the same quality par?


Added on July 1, 2011, 2:48 pm
QUOTE(0168257061 @ Jul 1 2011, 02:44 PM)
DOF.
crop bodies has 1 stop less DOF than full frame.

Let say u use 100mm f/2.8 on 1.5x body vs 150mm f/4 on FF  to shoot exact half body portrait
both bokeh will dof same  tongue.gif  , so you put f/2.8 on FF will be creamier  icon_idea.gif
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Ah~ha! This is one good point. I have been looking for these answers.

Therefore beside ISO and DOF, are there anything else? smile.gif

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post Jul 1 2011, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(geekster129 @ Jul 1 2011, 02:48 PM)
I think FX bodies doesn't necessarily mean the "de facto" standard for professional standards. As DX bodies get better, like the D7000, sometimes it is quite useful to double as a so-called 1.5x "teleconverter" for telephoto lenses, so in the end you will get more reach with it. smile.gif

Just my 2 cents lar.
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Well, it can't be helped as most (but not all) people will denotes that pricer gears = much more professional. APS-C is always inferior to APS-SLR as in photo quality roundup. Hence, people see D300s/D300/D7000/D90 as non-professional photographer.

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Jul 1 2011, 03:00 PM)
ya, that's why many nikonian hold back and wait a new FF model release to drag back the gay gap  brows.gif
ya that's another factor...

by the way D7000 is using SD card right? i prefer CF card XD....because D70s using CF card  tongue.gif
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D700's replacement should be an interesting opener for the new FX range. Should incorporates more or less the new parts and technology from both D3s and D7000. Hopefully I'll be able to grab hold of it someday after it's released smile.gif

Well again, SD and CF wouldn't affects any photo quality except CF card is faster than SD.
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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Jul 1 2011, 03:29 PM)
and not really easy missing because big...and looks toughter?? because SD card looks can blow away easily haha....and i duno CF card and SD card price is same or not haha....anyway i like CF because looks more secure XD, SD card is like anyone can be use and someday someone dig away your camera and took your SD card without your permission XD
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If you could put yourself in such situation, it can be easily concluded that you're one that careless with your gears. Nuff said.
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post Jul 1 2011, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Jul 1 2011, 03:51 PM)
Dynamic range, and not to mention if talking about those 2 lens the 2470 is a nanocoat compared to the 1755.

Plus FX sensors such as D700/D3's have low pixel density, which can be easily resolved by lens where else DX sensors such as D7000's 16MP has higher pixel density, and you need good lens to resolve the resolution.

Pixel density also relates to ISO performance, sure the D7000 is close to D700, but that's 1 generation different. Once the new FX comes, definitely outperform the DX anytime.
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Dynamic range as in colour reproduction? Does the Nanocoat make huge different in photo quality reproduction?

If you're in my shoe, would you be recommending me to take the 24-70 f/2.8 instead of the 17-55 f/2.8 and next work out on my way to FX? It could be 1 ~ 1.5 years to get myself to FX provided if the D700's replacement to be priced at almost the same range.

Or perhaps the 16-35 f/4 VR Nanocoat?

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post Jul 3 2011, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(maelzx @ Jul 3 2011, 05:35 PM)
i dont know where people get cheap price such as RM680 (they said at j-one amcorp mall) but I did ask at Pertama there, RM799.
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Wow, I wonder what kind of shop you walked into. Anyway, Foto Selangor at Ground Floor of Pertama Complex is offering the lens at RM650. Even if they did not offer this price at the very beginning when you asked, a little negotiation will able to get it at RM650 even for not regular.

Anyway, the retail price is RM798. That's the highest possible it should go after it's officially being launched in Malaysia.
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post Jul 5 2011, 11:29 AM

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Anyone here like reading and do read books about photography? Any good book to recommend? unsure.gif
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post Jul 5 2011, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(ifer @ Jul 5 2011, 12:53 PM)
Susan Sontag's 'On Photography'.

the first book you read when you are doing a degree in photography.
the second book is

Roland Barthes' 'Camera Lucida'.
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Books of Photography's Philosophy? sweat.gif
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post Jul 5 2011, 10:53 PM

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deleted. mistaken.

Paiseh blush.gif

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 5 2011, 10:59 PM)
sure or not? he ask for 35mm, not 50mm tongue.gif
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I overlooked... sorry blush.gif

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QUOTE(Calvin Pixels @ Jul 5 2011, 11:06 PM)
T~T u made me happy for 1 moment nia
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Not too worry, 35mm f/1.8G is at RM750, just a hundred top up from 50mm f/1.8G smile.gif
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QUOTE(Calvin Pixels @ Jul 5 2011, 11:11 PM)
haha need rm200 more!!! BOkeh!!!! hopefully i can get before Bon Odori next week biggrin.gif
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If you're looking for bokeh, isn't the 50mm f/1.8G will serve you better than the 35mm f/1.8G?
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post Jul 5 2011, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(Calvin Pixels @ Jul 5 2011, 11:27 PM)
i did research on some site and this http://www.flickr.com/groups/nikkor50mm18/...57614337201782/
I did try 35mm and 50mm on my d5100, i feel with 35mm i have better area control
Using this more for video and getting near to subject.
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Indeed 35mm is wider and better at full portrait photography against the 50mm which more likely half portrait.

Good to know what you wanted. Good luck with your purchase smile.gif
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post Jul 6 2011, 01:34 AM

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QUOTE(Calvin Pixels @ Jul 6 2011, 01:28 AM)
Cool, thnks for the inputs biggrin.gif , ill be careful with wide aperture
i agreed what u say maybe i shldnt rush, ill use my kit as much as possible if low light kills me will use 35mm biggrin.gif
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It sounds like a flashgun will do you better than wide aperture.
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QUOTE(Calvin Pixels @ Jul 6 2011, 01:36 AM)
found a friend that can pinjam me, only thing is need to practise biggrin.gif
lol i havent buy 2nd battery or sd card yet straight buy lens sad.gif
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You mean you found a friend that can borrow you flashgun? Did you try it personally? huh.gif

Do you really need a backup battery? What's your battery percentage level after your occasional shooting length? What's your current memory size and do you shoot in RAW?

Hope you not make the wrong decision by going for the 35mm f/1.8G first after your justification smile.gif

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