Yes i did talk to him nicely on the phone, he just deny all the things.. if he really wanna solve the problem with me or at least offer some solution i would not be here to complaint against him. The matter of fact, I m buying a faulty notebook from him. I don't like trouble or makes trouble. You see, I can even forget it by buying the charger adapter on my own cost as it is a small case if really the adapter is faulty. This is something to do with MB, me as a buyer i got right to voice out if its is the seller at fault. Or Mr. Cloudbust, you think that I purposely spoilt the charging chips and spent my time here making noise?

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Added on May 24, 2011, 2:20 pmYeah, forgotten to mention, I called him, and ask, the charger seems like a new 1, I did asked where he bought that charger from as it might be under warranty, so that I can send the adapter back to the shop for warranty. You know what answer I got? I don't know, I don't know.. This is what I hate most. A simple I don't know to off hand everything and let the buyer solve everything on his own. Irresponsible. I didn't throw everything back to him, as I offer to solve the problem.



This post has been edited by BlastPadt: May 24 2011, 02:20 PM

this will be my last message as a few damages has already been done to my part.

Among them are :

1) I have been accused of selling faulty items
2) A dispute thread titled "[IRRESPONSIBLE SELLER]fariq_azad has been created for my benefit
3) My other sales threads have been hijacked warning others to be careful when buying items from me (this is allowed?)
4) I have been called a "Cheater" and a "Liar" and had whatever words I mentioned through conversation twisted and stretched far from the truth

To be honest guys, things like these makes a seller feel very discourage and make me feel like just stop selling stuff at lowyat.

but...my intention for selling (and buying) at lowyat.net is not for business or money making just wish to meet new people and try new gadgets along the way.

So rather than just quiting, I myself is going to invite future others to this thread (as I believe I am in the right, If I back down I guess it wont prove much)

I believe in the protection of sellers too and I believe that this thread will serve as a warning to other sellers as well. especially those selling 2nd hand stuff and do have much resources.

I have changed my signature and will let forum members who have dealt with me in the past vouch for me (its not easy though as people would rather believe in the bad things that you do instead of the good things. its just the nature of humans)

I guess after this no one will ever come near any of my sales thread then

six years had been a good run. thanx lowyateers

are you sure the laptop is 100% problem free b4 cod ? even the charging is ok ?
you are owner of this laptop?

did you verbally giving ts 7 day personal warranty ?

This post has been edited by nagflar: May 24 2011, 07:21 PM

I did notify the seller on the first night thats the charging is very slow, he told me HP laptop charge slowly and thats normal. Charging 5 seconds and it stop for about 30 seconds, indicating plugged in, not charging, after that it charge again for 5 seconds and it stop. Charging overnight then only it will fully charge after that the adapter broke down. Yes he did, but he would not admit he gave me 7 days warranty that I can come back to him if anything amiss. I already sent the laptop to computer shop for repair, RM200 + Original charger RM189.00. Meaning I got to pay this on my own. The charger he gave is not original. (I do not mind) The battery is not Original as well. (I don't mind too) the technician told me, the battery could be the main source as well. So i re-order another original battery at RM250.00. I got to pay close to RM500.00 to get it done. Good Job fariq_azad. Go, just run away. Hope that RM1k i paid to you makes you happy as a irresponsible seller.

As for laptop charging, there can be one caused which is the current surge which spoilt the charger. This current surge normally originates from the power source. When u plug in to the charger, current surge will spoilt the charger and the charger cannot be used anymore. Slow charging or power cannot be charged usually associated with the charger connector. same thing can happen to handphone and other electronic gadgets. Usually the gadgets have issues for quite some time already. It does not happen overnite.

Since the verbal agreement is between seller and buyer, we cant comment on this part who is right and who is wrong. By right, it is the responsibility of the seller to provide at least personal warranty for electronic gadgets. Buyer as the consumer has the right to receive the item in perfect condition. By stating this, i am not saying that seller selling faulty parts, but it is best that seller help his/her customer to solve the technical issues. It is best to settle with mutual agreement, both party bear the repair costs together (just a mere suggestion).


And to buyer, it is ethically not right to just go every of his thread to state that he is selling 'faulty' items. To call him 'cheater' n 'liar' is just a bit too extreme. I just hope that this thing can be solved amicably. It is very sad to see a reputable seller being accused and a nice/serious buyer getting a faulty items. A perfect business deal that turned sour is the least we hope to see in LYN.

At first I call him up to settle things up and see whats the best both of us can do, you know what, he says he don't know, he is not responsible and say I should take it as I m bad luck. What kinda seller is this? I just hate seller who try to push everything off.
He leave me in darkness, that I got to solve it myself. I am the one who pay for something should be usable yet I am paying something I can't use and I got to drive up here and there to get it repair. He just sit down there and shake his leg. You think is fair to me? I got to pay out another RM500 for that. RM1500 i can get a new laptop running on the new core i3.

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Added on May 24, 2011, 10:13 pmI am also a seller here, you can check on my post. I got an Acer Aspire 4520 with faulty DVD-RW, at least I notify everyone that the DVD-RW sometimes read and sometimes don't. I am honest, thats why I am not worry at all. He is a cheater and liar, why? Because he verbally promise that i can come back to him if anything wrong with the laptop within a week which I ask for it and he agree, saying that he knows nothing about laptop as Apis told me he sold alot here, saying that HP laptop normally charge slowly (my god, take me 12 hours to fully charge).

The charger has been change twice, I got a MacBook Pro and an Acer Laptop running smoothly. I stays in a condo which is not near to factory and with lightning arrestor protected, my WiFi been on 24hrs for the pass 5 years without any problem, as I know WiFi modem is the most sensitive to power surge.


This post has been edited by BlastPadt: May 24 2011, 10:13 PM

seriously, I do think LYN need to adopt a balance and strong guideline when it comes to disputes to protect both seller and buyer (accused and accuser).

Another thing I notice there is a tendency of blatantly posting personal info's of individuals which includes photocopy of IC's, bank accounts etc. Do you know that it is an offence displaying someone's copy of an IC without his\her permission regardless whether he\she IS a cheat or otherwise?

I do hope LYN team will think of a way to come with a proper guideline when dealing with disputes from members so that in future members and LYN team in particular will not be subjected to any legal matters..you'll never know you know. This is a world wide network...and it can spread like wildfire..sometimes let say if the accused is proven innocent after all, the damage has been done and we will just get on with it but what about the affected individual???

My suggestion is when dealing with any cheating case, it is best to FIRST lodge a police report and post the copy of the report in the forum minus the personal particular, such as IC no, contact number or even addresses.

Please don't flame me, I'm just expressing my opinion based on rationality and I don't take side or trying to be inquisitive on matters relevant to this thread

This post has been edited by ad2000: May 24 2011, 11:08 PM

Thanks for the bump....

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Added on May 24, 2011, 11:13 pmHe only cheating me in some faulty parts of the laptop, he is not a conman not so serious... and he is a irresponsible seller not a con case here...

This post has been edited by BlastPadt: May 24 2011, 11:13 PM

the shop??? can we know which shop?? hp original ac adaptor around rm120-150, battery around rm160-220, i dun think the shop repair so called "charge board" loled...

ur main reason, y u accept "not" original ac adaptor and battery? dun u dunno notebook mainboard wil get burn if u using "fake" ac adaptor and battery? it wil cause ur battery and adaptor overheat if changes overnight?

mb seller paid for his ac adaptor? case solve?

Well, he will not pay me a single cent, I just sent to a shop get it repair and done with it.

in law, a verbal agreement still warrants as an agreement.

i hate to be in your shoe blast, and i hate it even more for the seller to wipe his ass after the deal.

believe me, karma will get back at whoever who is wrong here.

Afterthoughts, maybe you both can work out something, like split the repair bill.

For the buyer: it makes him feel that you can be trusted

For the seller: Up your reputation as being responsible.

This post has been edited by beetch: May 25 2011, 02:01 PM

Thanks Beetch... he is asking me to take it as I m bad luck, he will not pay me a single cent, thats why i m here to notify everyone to avoid buying from fariq_azad.

I am not siding him just because i am one of the seller or i (seriously) do not agree with your action that you can actually smear his threads or posts.

When i read your post, i have nothing say about it. You tested it and you miss the check for this defect, you have to bear the consequence as you are suffering now.

You wanna buy 2nd hand stuff, have to do a lot of homework to get good stock. I also suffer the same issue for handphone dealing, but i do not actually smear that seller around just because i feel that i have right to do so.

Hmmm... Does that means I got to sit at McDonalds with him for 12 hours to check on the charging process?

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Added on May 25, 2011, 7:45 pmOr you suggest that when I bought faulty product and I should keep silence and do nothing? Or just throw the laptop away?

This post has been edited by BlastPadt: May 25 2011, 07:45 PM

That one i am also not sure. But i can confirm tell you is that i am also furious about the seller actually since he asked me to tell him if there are any defects about my phone that i am gonna trade with him and i never know about his phone condition. I usually learn it as a lesson for this kind of problem.

However, i have to say that i never suffer such a very material(big) kind of damage that cost so much to repair, but i guess the concept is still the same. I also sell phones with known issue, but i let my potential buyer know about it.

What if i did not know about it? If i know that it is reasonably no doubt that it is my fault, i will gladly refund it and settle it. In most of the case however, it is hard to proof that.

Just like you have no hard proof that he know about this issue since he claim that he only got it a few days before selling you coz i did saw my phone traded earlier with the seller went on sale in lowyat.net after 6 days of trading. You also cannot proof that you are 100% sure that you did not ACCIDENTALLY damage it. So, i have no idea about this dispute.

But your action about smearing him like that is something i do not agree. That is why i responded in this thread.

FYI, I did call the seller on the night itself when i found out that the charging charge a few second and stops, I did ask why is it so slow, is it faulty? He says this laptop charge it slowly is normal, meaning he knows the charging got some problem on it, and the charger is a new compatible charger as i can see, meaning the charger just burst recently. And again I did ask where he bought the charger from maybe i can go to claim for warranty, he keep on say I don't know, I don't care. So what should I do, I m reminding everyone not to buy from him because he is an irresponsible seller. I do not hope to see anyone fall trap to this. I m pretty sure he know the problem and giving me all kinda stupid excuse. My technician told me the laptop suppose to full charge in within an hour. So what you think?

In that case, it is his problem that he did not wanted to entertain people properly. Based on my experience, i have not saw any laptop that can fully charge within an hour like that to be that exact.

In your case, i think that relevant solution is to ask him to subsidize partial of the repair cost. That's it.

I did ask, he says I should take it as I m bad luck. So once you got this kinda answer I m sure you will be in the same situation as I m now. I don't mind of paying it for repairing, I just do not like seller cheating and say that i lie for the verbally 7 days warranty.

aiks??? waahhhh seems that the stories keep on adding more and more ajinomoto eh? Actually I'm not going to claim he said this or he said that as it does not carry weight if I do, it will never end.

instead I am just going to state the facts. Plain and simple. I'll state my facts followed by the conclusions.

1) Fact - The laptop in question is in fact not my own but accuired via an aquaintance asking me to help sell it off as with many other laptops (and other gadgets if sell here)
Conclusion - I have no knowledge of the laptops history thus have to do a fair amount of testing.

2) fact - What ever items and accessories I get is passed on to the buyer.
Conclusion - So if I get a compatible accessorie, then its the very same accessorie that will be passed on to the buyer.

3) Fact - If during my testing period, I find that something is faulty then I would NEVER proceed to advertise it.
Conclusion - I tested it (same way I tested laptops for years) and it was working fine I was handling it. Charge, recharge, battery life... you name it.

4) Fact - It has been a long time practice/habit/policy/firm belief of mine never to give personal warranty as I wish to protect myself to buyers who neglect/mishandle/mod/did not do homework or simply just suka-suka suddenly just dont like the item I have sold
Conclusion - Now how do I prove this? you guys can check my history here :
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Sear...ult_type=topics

unfortunately It doesn't go all the way back to 2006 trades. All of the topics will state "no warranty". "test kaw-kaw" and in this particular case I mentioned "can test until satisfied" But think rationally, if someone has made it a point or habit of doing deals for past years, why would this new found case be so special and different? why change my habits now after so many years of successful trades? I'll let my past speak on my behalf (you won't see me editing my past threads, theres a date stamp to provide authenticity)

5) Fact - I am a bit chit-chatty during COD (I like to make friends) Occasionally I have uttered "if you need to ask dont hesitate to call" or uasually "if anything give me a call" and yes there was case of one of my buyers calling me up complaining "bro, kata windows XP license ori tapi kenapa keluar windows genuine warning?" I answered his query and made it known that his OS was Ori but he went and installed "ahem" MS office.
Conclusion - I really cant help it if a buyer only hears what he wants to hear. I cant do much when people put words in my mouth ans "ajinomoto.

6) Fact - When I said I dont know, ITS TRUE!!! I REALLY DONT KNOW!! how else to say it? (see fact 1 and 2).
Conclusion - But of course your ajinomoto had to add from me saying "don't know" to "don't care" which of course makes look bad.

7) Fact - I really do not trust your so called "technician" from "adapter" to "charging chip" and now to "battery??? Seriously a lot of spice there. Are you sure its not your technician that is robbing u right under your nose with all these problems and prices? this is not the first time we all have heard of unethical technicians and repair centres
Conclusion - hmm not much to conclude here since the technician is "always rite" rite?

8) Fact - I am being rudely accused of something I did not do, and TS has already resorted to defamation.
Conclusion - I was actually also going to point out the fact that TS had already went to see technician, repaired this and ordered that, but then again its his laptop rite? So I guess this point is not valid.

9) Fact - I too believe in "Karma" or "Qada' dan Qadar" but I also believe I am in the right. I have adopted various steps and policies to protect myself from things like this to happen to me.
Conclusion - I too have learnt my lesson from this "peristiwa hitam" in my life. I hope other sellers (those who do not have the luxury of a shop, spares and resources to provide warranty) to learn from this.

10 Fact - Lets not change to topic of this thread, coz come to think of it I AM an "IRRESPONSIBLE SELLER" this I admit. why?
because I cannot be responsible for the item that has been rightfully sold and handed over to my buyers.
Conclusion - I'm not running away, Infact I'll own up and face this head on. future buyers of mine are most welcome to click my siggy and read this topic.

and to conclude this I would like to apologize on a few things and admit to some of my mistakes.

1) My first mistake is that I composed the sale thread myself instead of using the template provided ( I was in a hurry huhu ) If I had used the template, I dont think I could have missed the "Warranty:" part. If you scan through my previos topics that used the template I usually put "no warranty" (see fact #4). But in my defense I did clearly put "test until satisfy" which is another habit of mine.

2) My second mistake was to proceed with the deal. As you know this was a trade and there was a miscommunication on who was to top up who. My gut was telling me to cancel it. Damn I wished I had cancelled it and kept the lappy. If I had kept it and the laptop fried when it was in my hands then I wouldn't have to go through all this. you know its like" better to drive and knock into a tree then to another persons car" so troublesome

3) And lastly to blastpadt I am really sorry that unfortunate event had to happen. I truly am. I wish this didn't happen but some events have already taken place that seem irreversable to me. Looks like i'll have to bear the consequences.

tired ady pheww

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This post has been edited by fariq_azad: May 26 2011, 02:38 AM

At the end of the day, TS, what do want from the seller that would make you feel less "cheated"?

Maybe u can state a suggestion and work something out with the seller here. Dispute threads are not always to advertise a bad seller especially for one with such a long track record and for one who seem eager to see this all end amicably too.

Just state a reasonable means of resolving this issue and leave it up to the seller to comply or reject. If he doesn't give a rat's ass about resolving it, then just be a gentleman, drop the issue and move on. Sometimes it's better to feel cheated than to cheat someone, u tend to be far able to sleep soundly at night.

IMHO, this deal was flawed on both ends but most deals in LYN are. Only difference is, most of us are lucky and get off easy. We should all learn from the incident and ensure proper documentation is prepared on the part of the seller and proper discussion of deals be done via PM and not verbally to ensure there is black and white on everything that was agreed.

Losing money, whatever the amount will make anyone feel rotten as Hell but I don't think it's worth having an enemy for RM1000 either.

This post has been edited by sioe: May 26 2011, 07:17 AM