what do u guys think about these 2 gearboxs

Have you managed to test drive two cars with those gearboxes? They feel very differently

Preferred DSG

i have test drived polo n sylphy, very smooth .... the only different i can feel is the engine sound.
But fiesta powershift seems not as smooth as DSG, bad jerking when changing gear

This post has been edited by guna96: May 22 2011, 11:52 PM

How much have you test driven it? Because with the DSG, it doesn't feel like an auto. You need to get used to it, been a lot of complaints about the DSG as well.

what are the major complaint about DSG? i heard lots but not sure which is true. what do you mean it doesn't feel like an auto? maybe i should try on hw, the test drive i had was in "industrial area"

DSG=speed
CVT=comfort, can be noisy during acceleration

Last week only have an arguement with somebody on this, now a new account created and asking which is better...... Hmmm.......

Hmmm... account created before or after your argument?

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Added on May 23, 2011, 8:38 amWhy industrial area? You have to test it in real life conditions with traffic. DSGs rely heavily on the gearbox computer to 'guess' your next gear change. In slow stop go traffic, sometimes the gearbox has issues with deciding which gear to use. When you go flat out in an open road, the gearbox feels great because it knows you are only changing gears in one direction and this is where the DSG really shines.

This post has been edited by sleepwalker: May 23 2011, 08:38 AM

for city driving with jam all the way, CVT is better choice. For great performance on high speed and zig zag driving DSG is better.

technically, DSG n CVT is diff from each other...

DSG = combination of auto n manual transmission, best of both, and dual clutch for engage and pre-engage... etc etc...

CVT = no actual gear... easier to understand, think of scooter gear...

Performance = DSG
Comfort = subjective, some will vote DSG n some will vote CVT, but CVT for performance is a no-no...

DSG over CVT, although i like CVT's feeling more, but more maintenance for CVT....DSG, lots of sport models using it....

Like what sleepwalker mentioned, stop start traffic will bring out the worst in the DSG gearboxes. It isn't as smooth as the CVT gears. Most of the general complaints that also scares a lot of VW owners would be mechanical or eletronic failures of the DSG which can cause sudden jerking or lighting up the error lights on your dash.

have tested a DSG VW before...damn in love with it..
im actually saving up for a certain VW car right now to make as my weekend car

DSG > Keiichi Tsuchiya



So yeah, DSG is one of the best g/box around

Well, as said before if this is not Malaysia, any car with any type of GB will have their neutral love on getting it... But then this is Malaysia, where in city area we will only get traffic jam beside heavy traffic jam..
This is what a developing countries will be facing...
And have to thanks our government for the best in class policies on automotive industry for implementing AP, high duties, others just to protect a junk brand....

VW DSG is superior in everyway but during start/stops and the slightly higher weight. When I drove my friend's Gti the start/stop during traffic makes me want to pull my hair out. Tap the pedal slightly harder only and the car thinks u wanna go vrooom vrooom lol. It also behaves the same when going up hill sometimes. Not all DSG are the same though, the one in ford feista is just dumb and can't predict well what the driver wants and deosn't shift as fast.

CVT is just for smoothness. Good for unker drivers.

bolded part isn't that very dangerous ? you might accidentally kiss somebody behind if ur not careful is tapping .. tap wrong car go vroom then bang..

I wish can change my Forte's transmission to DSG 6spd.....really wish so....

In my word, DSG's an automated manual. If ur knowledge & skill of driving a manual is intact, then there's no problem adapting to a DSG in a short while.

While CVT is the even slicker implementation of the conventional auto. Only that, the current ones in road car cannot withstand too much torque, hence the need for 7 & 8 spd auto gb.

Who said CVT can't give performance? The Audi A4 (B6 B7 B8) & A6 (C6) FWD models are on multitronic aka CVT.

Yeah, agree with that! CVT does give some surprise to me.
I had test drive the Sulphy. Mind you, the moment I step on the pedal and floor it. It feel like air plane taking off.
Shifting is smooth as silk....
So don't say it's an uncle car k. Cause this uncle can smoke you too!

Manual is the best. U can adjust by urself to suits ur driving style. Manual FTW!!

in the other hand...
auto is the best. it can adjust by itself to suit ur driving style. auto ftw!!

Which auto car does that?

almost all auto in modern world do that.
ECU will pick up the driving style & adjust the valving/cam timing/ injection vol/ fuel-air ratio accordingly.
not to mention the trans shifting

This post has been edited by yamato: May 28 2011, 03:10 PM

erm...........................

hmm? i never feel freedom while driving auto cars.. only can 'break and run free' while driving manual.. its can pick up driving style? sometime i like to drive fast, sometime slow, sometime stop & run.. it can know what i want to do?

the change is insignificant but progressive.
its not like a push of button n voila u get into sport mode.
the ECU needs time to "learn" your style, say 10 or 20hrs (just an assumption) to complete the learning then decide the best setting for you.

IF like that, while im craving for insane speeding but the ECU still learning.. while after 10 or 20 hours later when it finally learnt my driving style.. im back to normal driving like crawling tortoise dy.. isnt it not efficient? yeah my driving style not constant might due to studying pressure..

i've been driving my city vtec for 3 years already...
and i'm currently driving a GTI...
love the CVT smooth acceleration.. quick revs...

but problem is CVT really fragile.. and those lower end cars with CVT cannot mod at all... like what someone said cannot tahan the high hp/torque
i've never driven a more expensive car with CVT like A4 etc

but after driving my new 4 weeks old GTI
i would definetly go for DSG over CVT

i have only 1 problem with DSG...
if u are cruising on 6th gear... and u want power and u full throttle u will have some lag time... due to the gears need to downshift 2-3 gears.. hence will take some time for the DSG to downshift from 6 to 3-4



as for manual tranny all about user preference.. since TS only asked about CVT and DSG i would suggest stick to the topic

for malaysia (KL) roads i would sure go for auto better... go where also jam >.<

This post has been edited by stalkerrox: May 29 2011, 01:54 AM

Stick to TS, im will vote for DSG since i travel mostly highway. haihs.. if only there is gearbox which can be like manual but no need to press clutch.. no need to downshift to desired gear for few times..

6th gear at 60km/h eh?
i think it's because the gti's rpm is lower than 1700rpm at the time. which is in the turbo lag zone.
i always curse when the gti chose 6th gear at 60km/h.. can't pull away. downshift a bit then zooom

and yes DSG gives not so pleasant experience during traffic jam, back and forth 1>2>1>2>1 the DSG confuse and jerks a lot

yea around that speed...
i havent had any problems with it jerking yet haha...
maybe next time jam just use manual mode and leave it on 1st

the gear 1 and 2 jerking is because using ron 95?

not fuel, it's the transmission, it's more optimized for upshifts

yes staying in 1st gear during stop and go traffic helps

DSG FTW!!
If the transmission gets confused in heavy traffic, just switch to manual mode. All you have to do is find the sweet spot at the throttle for every gear change for buttery smooth, sporty, eye-watering, orgasmic inducing shifting. bit carried away that last bit, but you get the idea.

I'm assuming that every car with DSG has a manual override option....right?

This post has been edited by tunertoobe: May 29 2011, 08:24 PM

nothing orgasmic if using DSG during traffic jam

yes push the gear lever to the left and you get a fully manual mode. however it will downshift if your current speed is too low for the current gear

The grip on DSG is better because it uses clutch just like manual gear that is why you get the jerking feeling during start stop. I believe the gear control computer should not be too different from CVT/Auto as it's either up/down/maintain gear.

CVT uses torque converter which is fluid based so it runs smoother during start stop. It has unlimited gear ratio which optimizes the gear.

If you talk about power lose DSG will have minimum power loss compared to CVT. Thus the performance.

Anyway both gearbox can't handle high power as good as manual. Failure on DSG could cost you alot to repair.

In DSG you can always select manual shift if you don't like how it handles in traffic.

DSG better. cvt is fast but somehow it doesnt give the fast type feeling.
for ppl do not like sport then cvt is the one for them.

Um? Doesn't the Bugatti Veyron have a DSG?

Manual gb, one can change to sports/racing clutch.

Similar can be done for DSG - change to a higher spec clutch disc. So it can handle higher power & torque.