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 (WTA) ENGINE OIL GRADING n TYPES, wrong oil ive been using

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gagak_84
post May 19 2011, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(Thrust @ May 19 2011, 07:20 PM)
Not suitable for small cc engines like Kelisa, viva & kancil... Those small cc engines needs xW-30 engine oil. This is because their small engine don't really generate much power & using thicker oil like 40 & 50 will make the engine even sluggish.

40 & 50 can be used for normal engine like Wira, Waja & usually 1.3liter engine and above.

Actually it depends on individual, the thicker the oil, the more protection it gives to your engine. That is why Castrol has SAE60 grade oil for maximum protection.
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Petronas 0w30 can be used on Viva?
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post May 19 2011, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(gagak_84 @ May 19 2011, 07:23 PM)
Petronas 0w30 can be used on Viva?
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Of course it can be used on Viva... nod.gif
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post May 19 2011, 07:55 PM

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ok la.. this is what the correct one.. smile.gif

QUOTE(Thrust @ May 19 2011, 07:20 PM)
Not suitable for small cc engines like Kelisa, viva & kancil... Those small cc engines needs xW-30 engine oil. This is because their small engine don't really generate much power & using thicker oil like 40 & 50 will make the engine even sluggish.

40 & 50 can be used for normal engine like Wira, Waja & usually 1.3liter engine and above.

Actually it depends on individual, the thicker the oil, the more protection it gives to your engine. That is why Castrol has SAE60 grade oil for maximum protection.
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QUOTE(Thrust @ May 19 2011, 07:26 PM)
Of course it can be used on Viva...  nod.gif
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the thicker oil are not protecting ur engine.. it just how to solve the problem.
valve seal problem, oil decreasing too much, tappet issues and etc..

low cc engine normally like viva used w30.. either 10w30 or 5w30.. BUT not 0w30

the low the xW number , the oil is very thin.. thats mean.. DO NOT USED 0w30 on VIVA... no one in malaysia used 0w30 on their viva..

high cc engine better used 40,50 or 60 - because the engine generate more heat during running.. the number mean the engine oil operating temperature.

0w,5w,10w,15w,20w is as what u explained above but it also tell the level of the oil it selves.

if u using 0w50,0w20 on the normal and low cc engine (except hybrid car), ur car will KO faster.. aircond also sometimes cold and not (because engine also drive the aircond), more leaks.. head leaks, white smoke, SLUGGISH and etc..

ok this example ;

20w50 - for old car.. > 10years which is have white smoke (valve seal ) problem
10w30 - for low cc engine (kenari/kelisa/viva) but this car also can used 5w30..
10w40 - recommended for car > 5 years but it also can be used on new car, also can be used on old car if the user maintain to used it.
5w30 - recommended for new car
5w40 - recommended for new car which prefer performance
0w20 - hybrid car
0w50 - high performance car, new engine,good maintenance...

This post has been edited by gagak_84: May 19 2011, 07:56 PM
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post May 19 2011, 08:05 PM

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I lazy to explain already brother... Please refer here:-

http://www.worldsbestoil.ca/which-30-weight-oil.php
gagak_84
post May 19 2011, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(Thrust @ May 19 2011, 08:05 PM)
I lazy to explain already brother... Please refer here:-

http://www.worldsbestoil.ca/which-30-weight-oil.php
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smile.gif no need to explain. i know
u find one viva used 0w for me. with that.. u will know, car with <1000cc engine can used 0w or not.. and why prius and hybrid car need to used 0w and cannot 5w
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post Jul 6 2011, 05:15 AM

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torco is my personal favourite, the MPZ damn cun biggrin.gif

what i know is, dont buy fully syn castrol and think it is a very good oil cos its not, it is fully synthetic from grade 3 base oil, superior fully syn comes from grade 4 and 5 biggrin.gif

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post Jul 6 2011, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(upontheriversky @ Jul 6 2011, 05:15 AM)
torco is my personal favourite, the MPZ damn cun biggrin.gif

what i know is, dont buy fully syn castrol and think it is a very good oil cos its not, it is fully synthetic from grade 3 base oil, superior fully syn comes from grade 4 and 5 biggrin.gif
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fully synthethic confirm from group 4 or 5 right? are u sure?
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post Jul 7 2011, 03:55 AM

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not really. castrol got fully syn but from group 3. torco, royal purple, amsoil are examples of group 4 and 5. redline is group 5

point being, cant depend on the word "fully syn" only if good engine oil is a concern

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post Jul 7 2011, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(upontheriversky @ Jul 7 2011, 03:55 AM)
not really. castrol got fully syn but from group 3. torco, royal purple, amsoil are examples of group 4 and 5. redline is group 5

point being, cant depend on the word "fully syn" only if good engine oil is a concern
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what about liqui moly 10w-40 then?
which group?
tq.
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post Jul 7 2011, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(xphr3ak @ Jul 7 2011, 04:13 PM)
what about liqui moly 10w-40 then?
which group?
tq.
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Group 3 +
but the quality is SL (2001 grade) low quality .. current quality is SM at least.

API SM has higher requirements for the lubricants to meet such as superior engine performance, protection and cleanliness as compared to the requirements of API SL.mproved deposit protection, better wear protection, and better low-temperature performance over the life of the oil.
+ the engine oil is hard to turn black and can go KM and better engine protection.
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post Jul 7 2011, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(gagak_84 @ May 19 2011, 08:09 PM)
smile.gif  no need to explain. i know
u find one viva used 0w for me. with that.. u will know, car with <1000cc engine can used 0w or not.. and why prius and hybrid car need to used 0w and cannot 5w
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What do you keep repeating the same incorrect information?? Why Viva cannot use 0W?? 0W don't even apply to us in hot weather country with no winter!!!! doh.gif
0W30 or 5W30, has no difference to us. And please show source saying Prius MUST USE 0W oil. What i know is Toyota, recommend 0W20...the figure behind is important...and 5W20 can be use as well, what is not recommended is 30 oil, regardless it it 0W30 or 5W30. It is only applicable if got winnter coz will affect start up in cold condition.

For someone who sells oil...your knowledge is all screwed up...
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post Jul 7 2011, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 7 2011, 04:29 PM)
What do you keep repeating the same incorrect information?? Why Viva cannot use 0W?? 0W don't even apply to us in hot weather country with no winter!!!! doh.gif
0W30 or 5W30, has no difference to us. And please show source saying Prius MUST USE 0W oil. What i know is Toyota, recommend 0W20...the figure behind is important...and 5W20 can be use as well, what is not recommended is 30 oil, regardless it it 0W30 or 5W30. It is only applicable if got winnter coz will affect start up in cold condition.

For someone who sells oil...your knowledge is all screwed up...
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hmmm.. i know what W means.. W = Winter
your knowledge is the one screwed up..

better u check at the prius manual.. icon_rolleyes.gif

but in engineering
SAE viscosity grade 0W, 5W, 10W, 15W, 20W, or 25W
Viscosity is a measure of the resistance of a fluid which is being deformed by either shear stress or tensile stress. In everyday terms (and for fluids only), viscosity is "thickness" or "internal friction". Thus, water is "thin", having a lower viscosity, while honey is "thick", having a higher viscosity. Put simply, the less viscous the fluid is, the greater its ease of movement (fluidity)

good luck..
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QUOTE(gagak_84 @ May 19 2011, 07:55 PM)

high cc engine better used 40,50 or 60 - because the engine generate more heat during running.. the number mean the engine oil operating temperature.

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doh.gif
OMG...the number behind means the viscosity...what engine oil temperature!! The number are to show the viscoscity of the oil at 100C/210F (all the ratings are based on this temperature). And the number with 'W' indicates the vicoscity level in cold temperature (there's a range for each ratings, 0W means can take the lowest temp...forgot the actual range, but it's all in the negative area)...and it only affects the cold start up in the cold countries. Once engine warm up to operating temp, the 'W' rating is meaningless and you look at the second number.


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post Jul 7 2011, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 7 2011, 04:43 PM)
doh.gif
OMG...the number behind means the viscosity...what engine oil temperature!! The number are to show the viscoscity of the oil at 100C/210F (all the ratings are based on this temperature). And the number with 'W' indicates the vicoscity level in cold temperature (there's a range for each ratings, 0W means can take the lowest temp...forgot the actual range, but it's all in the negative area)...and it only affects the cold start up in the cold countries. Once engine warm up to operating temp, the 'W' rating is meaningless and you look at the second number.
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bro.. SAE bro.. SAE.. dont make u look stupid here.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(gagak_84 @ Jul 7 2011, 04:42 PM)
hmmm.. i know what W means.. W = Winter
your knowledge is the one screwed up..

better u check at the prius manual..  icon_rolleyes.gif

but in engineering
SAE viscosity grade 0W, 5W, 10W, 15W, 20W, or 25W
Viscosity is a measure of the resistance of a fluid which is being deformed by either shear stress or tensile stress. In everyday terms (and for fluids only), viscosity is "thickness" or "internal friction". Thus, water is "thin", having a lower viscosity, while honey is "thick", having a higher viscosity. Put simply, the less viscous the fluid is, the greater its ease of movement (fluidity)

good luck..
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You talked, but you STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE 'W' MEANS. doh.gif

Everyone tries to tell you, but you don't listen...


Added on July 7, 2011, 4:53 pm
QUOTE(gagak_84 @ Jul 7 2011, 04:44 PM)
bro.. SAE bro.. SAE.. dont make u look stupid here..  smile.gif
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Yes. SAE....and what does SAE indicates??? doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 7 2011, 04:47 PM)
You talked, but you STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE 'W' MEANS. doh.gif

Everyone tries to tell you, but you don't listen...
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u know W is related to viscosity is related to thickness of the oil?

on firefox.. google.. find out what SAE means.. and google again and find out viscosity mean..
dont want to gaduh2 here... smile.gif

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QUOTE(gagak_84 @ May 19 2011, 07:55 PM)
ok la.. this is what the correct one..  smile.gif
the thicker oil are not protecting ur engine.. it just how to solve the problem.
valve seal problem, oil decreasing too much, tappet issues and etc..

low cc engine normally like viva used w30.. either 10w30 or 5w30.. BUT not 0w30

the low the xW number , the oil is very thin.. thats mean.. DO NOT USED 0w30 on VIVA... no one in malaysia used 0w30 on their viva..

high cc engine better used 40,50 or 60 - because the engine generate more heat during running.. the number mean the engine oil operating temperature.

0w,5w,10w,15w,20w is as what u explained above but it also tell the level of the oil it selves.

if u using 0w50,0w20 on the normal and low cc engine (except hybrid car), ur car will KO faster.. aircond also sometimes cold and not (because engine also drive the aircond), more leaks.. head leaks, white smoke, SLUGGISH and etc..

ok this example ;

20w50 - for old car.. > 10years which is have white smoke (valve seal ) problem
10w30 - for low cc engine (kenari/kelisa/viva) but this car also can used 5w30..
10w40 - recommended for car > 5 years but it also can be used on new car, also can be used on old car if the user maintain to used it.
5w30 - recommended for new car
5w40 - recommended for new car which prefer performance
0w20 - hybrid car
0w50 - high performance car, new engine,good maintenance...
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HOW do you know that there's no people using 0w30 on VIVA? DO you do a statistics YOURSELF? HOW do you know that using 0w30 on normal and low cc engine will make the car KO faster? or it's just based on your own assumption?
Like what the rest of the people here know that the W stands for winter and makes no differences in our hot climate. If you say that the lower the winter number, the thinner the oil goes, WHO DOESN'T KNOW that? does it matter when the engine has reach optimum temperature?

You work in PROTON doesn't mean you know everything and please stop saying other people STUPID whereas you're the one who we're laughing at.
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QUOTE(Andy0625 @ Jul 7 2011, 05:00 PM)
HOW do you know that there's no people using 0w30 on VIVA? DO you do a statistics YOURSELF? HOW do you know that using 0w30 on normal and low cc engine will make the car KO faster? or it's just based on your own assumption?
Like what the rest of the people here know that the W stands for winter and makes no differences in our hot climate. If you say that the lower the winter number, the thinner the oil goes, WHO DOESN'T KNOW that? does it matter when the engine has reach optimum temperature?

You work in PROTON doesn't mean you know everything and please stop saying other people STUPID whereas you're the one who we're laughing at.
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you again andy.. this is my last reply.. since u dont want to get a warn later from moderator.. if i prolong fight this...
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andy andy andy.. i have a lot of viva customers..lot mean.. A LOT.. and viva forumers.. not one of them used 0w on their viva.. because they afraid to thin of oil will harm their engine due to engine oil leak and etc. maybe u can find someone for me used 0w on their viva for long time at least 5000km..

sorry matrix.. didnt mean to.. im really sorry.. didnt mean to say u stupid.. really sorry.

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i used Pennzoil 5W-40 before, no leakage at the oil sump gasket..

change to Q8 5W-40, oil leaks at the oil sump gasket..

change gasket 2 times, problem still persist with Q8 oil..

both same grade, suppose to have same thickness rite bro crow?
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QUOTE(Kirie @ Jul 7 2011, 08:16 PM)
i used Pennzoil 5W-40 before, no leakage at the oil sump gasket..

change to Q8 5W-40, oil leaks at the oil sump gasket..

change gasket 2 times, problem still persist with Q8 oil..

both same grade, suppose to have same thickness rite bro crow?
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why dont change the oil sump gasket?
normally leak means that valve seal leak..

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