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(WTA) ENGINE OIL GRADING n TYPES, wrong oil ive been using
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TSintel_centrino
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 May 18 2011, 07:22 PM, updated 15y ago
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i'm using perodua viva elite 1.0 auto..all these while using PERODUA ENGINE OIL (SEMI syns if not wrong) with the grading of 5W - 30
but my parent went n took the car and service at ENEOS using ENEOS(mineral oil) with the grading of 10W- 30
my bro complain said 10w -30 is thick for my car..the best use 5w - 30( will the car engine spoil??)
2nd thing regarding mineral oil..i know use semi syns better...but can i on the next service use back SEMI SYNS??my bro said the car engine wil give problem with FROM SEMI DOWNGRADE TO MINERAL THEN UPGRADE TO SEMI BACK
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SUSceo684
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May 18 2011, 07:26 PM
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Perodua used to use 10w30 also and I dun see anyone's engine blowing up yet.. your bro is a bit too anal lah. As long as its xw-30 and changed on time it will be alright. Even if you use mobil1 but not changing the oil in 20 years will lead to problems.
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TSintel_centrino
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May 18 2011, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ May 18 2011, 07:26 PM) Perodua used to use 10w30 also and I dun see anyone's engine blowing up yet.. your bro is a bit too anal lah. As long as its xw-30 and changed on time it will be alright. Even if you use mobil1 but not changing the oil in 20 years will lead to problems. means 10w - 30 is reasonable for my car? if yes then good oh..but then izit true for the DOWNGRADING N UPGRADING oil problem?? i know should not change the type of oil frequently.. should stick to the same oil the best..but this is the 1st time i using MINERAL OIL instead of SEMI..after this i will use back SEMI..its ok right? |
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xMika
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May 18 2011, 08:41 PM
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10w is semi syn la bro .. 5w is fully syn already .. 15w ~20w is mineral .. i bet your bro know nuts about car .. no problem if you switched them once ..
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gagak_84
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May 18 2011, 08:49 PM
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Both are u wrong. Petronas 10w30 is semi but eneos 10w30 is mineral based. U can used 10w30 eneos on ur viva but highly not recommended. It recommended if ur viva > 5years. Stick to at least eneos 5w30 for ur viva, can used it until 8000km. U can used 10w30 semi from petronas. But the density is high compare to 5w30 eneos. but ok to used it. No problem. If u have any inquiry u can ask at my selling thread. I dont mind if u dont want to buy the oil but at least i happy to share the information
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Thrust
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May 18 2011, 08:59 PM
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The 10W-30 and 5W-30 has the same oil thickness level. It doesn't really matter which you use. As the number increase say 40, 50 or even 60, the thickness of the oil increases too. Remember, thicker oil provides better protector but fuel consumption & pick up will suffer a little bit.
The 10W or 5W shows the oil tolerance level against freezing. Here in Malaysia, we practically don't really bother about the front numbers as our weather is hot through out the year.
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Red Tsubasa
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May 18 2011, 09:16 PM
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No Worries about the 10 30 oil ... that engine oil still can be use  |
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TSintel_centrino
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May 18 2011, 10:39 PM
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tq for everyone reply..at least that oil is usable..mostly i will use till 4,000km then enough edi then i will use back those SEMI syn oil..tq everyone
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gagak_84
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May 18 2011, 10:44 PM
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Yap. W = winter but 5w and 10w thickness,density , kinematic viscosity and vi is not same. Big diff.
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TSintel_centrino
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May 18 2011, 11:07 PM
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but then izit acceptable in my case?? if yes then i will use it until 4k then i service..if no then i service it soon?
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SUSceo684
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May 18 2011, 11:28 PM
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It is perfectly acceptable, as long as its real new oil and not recon used oil..that's why it is good to service at SC.. pirated oil damaged alot of reputation for brands such as shell, castrol If u read the manual on page 28-4* engine oil grades it will show 5w30, 10w30 are usable.. *just kidding..u have to look up the right page  This post has been edited by ceo684: May 18 2011, 11:31 PM |
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sinister_sid
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May 18 2011, 11:30 PM
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QUOTE(intel_centrino @ May 18 2011, 11:07 PM) but then izit acceptable in my case?? if yes then i will use it until 4k then i service..if no then i service it soon? my workshop all ej-de or ej-ve from myvi , kelisa , viva 1.0 all use 10w30 no problem so far only use 5w30 oil ur engine will more rev happy but not to the point vtec alike la wait 5k then change no need change early |
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TSintel_centrino
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May 18 2011, 11:32 PM
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okok..then i feel safer a lot edi from hearing u guys
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Thrust
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May 19 2011, 04:53 PM
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Actually the first 2 number/letter, 5w-30 or 10w-30 is not applicable for our tropical climate. These figures show how the oil actually flows under extreme low temperature. We Malaysians will just need to focus more on the last 2 digit which is 30, 40, 50 0r even 60.
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sinister_sid
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May 19 2011, 05:28 PM
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QUOTE(Thrust @ May 19 2011, 04:53 PM) Actually the first 2 number/letter, 5w-30 or 10w-30 is not applicable for our tropical climate. These figures show how the oil actually flows under extreme low temperature. We Malaysians will just need to focus more on the last 2 digit which is 30, 40, 50 0r even 60. small cc engine can tolarate low viosious oil  |
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elsoniek
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May 19 2011, 05:36 PM
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erm any recommendation in engine car oil for my saga blm ?
mind to recommend me some brand ?
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gagak_84
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May 19 2011, 07:05 PM
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QUOTE(Thrust @ May 19 2011, 04:53 PM) Actually the first 2 number/letter, 5w-30 or 10w-30 is not applicable for our tropical climate. These figures show how the oil actually flows under extreme low temperature. We Malaysians will just need to focus more on the last 2 digit which is 30, 40, 50 0r even 60. then can used 0w50? some part u are wrong.. W = winter, this show how well the engine is lubricate during cold start.. but it also show the density and thickness of the oil itself.
Added on May 19, 2011, 7:06 pmQUOTE(elsoniek @ May 19 2011, 05:36 PM) erm any recommendation in engine car oil for my saga blm ? mind to recommend me some brand ? used ENEOS, if cant find it try Castrol magnatec, if hard to find try petronas. This post has been edited by gagak_84: May 19 2011, 07:06 PM |
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Thrust
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May 19 2011, 07:13 PM
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I read from this website ages ago & that fellow said:- "I can't tell you how many times I have heard someone, usually an auto mechanic, say that they wouldn't use a 5W-30 motor oil because it is, "Too thin." Then they may use a 10W-30 or SAE 30 motor oil. At engine operating temperatures these oils are the same. The only time the 5W-30 oil is "thin" is at cold start up conditions where you need it to be "thin." The "W" affects the oil flow only during cold start & usually at -5C & below. Our temperature hardly even reach below 25C. That is why I will usually ignore the "W" label. If we're in the States or some snowy mountains, then we can emphasize on the "W" label. http://www.upmpg.com/tech_articles/motoroil_viscosity/This post has been edited by Thrust: May 19 2011, 07:14 PM |
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gagak_84
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May 19 2011, 07:15 PM
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QUOTE(Thrust @ May 19 2011, 07:13 PM) I read from this website ages ago & that fellow said:- "I can't tell you how many times I have heard someone, usually an auto mechanic, say that they wouldn't use a 5W-30 motor oil because it is, "Too thin." Then they may use a 10W-30 or SAE 30 motor oil. At engine operating temperatures these oils are the same. The only time the 5W-30 oil is "thin" is at cold start up conditions where you need it to be "thin." The "W" affects the oil flow only during cold start & usually at -5C & below. Our temperature hardly even reach below 25C. That is why we usually don't refer to the "W" label. If we're in the States or some snowy mountains, then we can emphasize on the "W" label. http://www.upmpg.com/tech_articles/motoroil_viscosity/yup.. thats true.. how about 0w40 and 0w50.. can it be used to normal engine? |
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Thrust
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May 19 2011, 07:20 PM
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QUOTE(gagak_84 @ May 19 2011, 07:15 PM) yup.. thats true.. how about 0w40 and 0w50.. can it be used to normal engine? Not suitable for small cc engines like Kelisa, viva & kancil... Those small cc engines needs xW-30 engine oil. This is because their small engine don't really generate much power & using thicker oil like 40 & 50 will make the engine even sluggish. 40 & 50 can be used for normal engine like Wira, Waja & usually 1.3liter engine and above. Actually it depends on individual, the thicker the oil, the more protection it gives to your engine. That is why Castrol has SAE60 grade oil for maximum protection. |
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