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 Sager : Mobile Gaming @ Its Best v3, NP9130/9150/9170 with Ivy Bridge

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post May 28 2012, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ May 27 2012, 06:13 PM)
that's another $70 extra from 675m..
im now 80% towards 670m though tongue.gif

reminder to myself:why should i get highest end card when im not a high end gamer     unsure.gif
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if you prefer the future proof (playing the future games), why not going the highest card? biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Ming1993 @ May 28 2012, 08:33 AM)
Thinking bout getting sager NP9150 with the HD 7970M card. Wondering if Sager laptops face any over heating problems. And if the IC diamond thermal compound thing helps.
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NP9150 equipped with two separate ventilation fan that cools down processor and graphics card. The inner look are pretty much similar to the older model NP8150.

Even the temp (graphics card) maintain about 46-48'c in stock thermal paste. smile.gif

Video review for NP9150



Added on May 28, 2012, 2:45 pm

Credit to spectroplasm @ notebookreview.com (Sager NP9170)

It's been a while now that I've been playing around with the laptop. So far so good. I've placed an order on the 16th of April 2012 at Myhtlogic, and the whole team were very very responsive and kept me in touch with the whole process of the laptop's build phase etc. The whole process took around 10~13 days and it was delivered. Below are the pictures I took of the laptop.

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the whole laptop fits inside the Slappa 18" Sleeve that I carry with me always along with a small backpack for my power adapter, mouse, and work materials. Since I'm mostly in the design/modeling/editing business I've also placed an order for an ODD bay HDD adapter. I have a Seagate Freeplay 1tb drive (10mm version) inside the ODD bay now and it's working very smooth, I had to modify the ODD bay adapter to fit the terabyte drive inside since the space in there is wee tight.

First impressions on the laptop is that it is very fast, the OCZ Nocti Msata really flies for me, windows 7 Ultimate boots in under 10 seconds from cold boot to desktop and the dual 7200rpm 500gb drives in raid0 does the job of my capture and render tasks fine. Overall I've got around 2.13tb of storage on the laptop and it stays cool to the touch.

next in my upgrade list is an ivy cpu (not in the near future) when the time comes. so far this 2860qm bleaches all of adobe's suite without breaking a sweat, I've downloaded the intel XTU tool but still learning how to keep that turbo at it's highest for the longest time possible.

The GTX675m is a really good card, I've choses to stick with it instead of an AMD for personal reasons and work requirements. The only real downside I have with it so far is the broken drivers, even the beta drivers don't deliver all the options this card has to offer. CUDA is seen as being installed in the nvidia panel but it's not showing up in my CUDA enabled apps, the GPU is always stated "not supported or drivers not compatible".

The keyboard is very crisp and typing on it is a real joy, though I'd wish the tab button would work like the rest of the keys without exercising a bit of force to get it to register, it's as if it had fallen asleep. The fingerprint reader I took out the drivers, as it's acting funny and I'm not able to register any finger strokes. It's looking funny too, as I've an HP laptop with a fingerprint reader and the sensors are different from this P170EM (golden plated in the middle) is that black thing in there a protection hood? I didn't dare scrape it with my nail but I can make out a small film of plastic on the edges making it look as if it could be peeled off. I'll take a macro shot of it when I have my camera around to show what I'm talking about.

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On to the speakers, they sound nice, when you tweak them for 5.1 they sound awesome. When you crystalize them with the THX configurator they sound superb, best sounding laptop so far on my side of the woods, I've compared it with 5 laptops 2 Toshiba's (a satellite pro, and a Tecra) 1 HP 620, an IBM Thinkpad I forgot the model number, and an Asus G74sx.

The quicksync feaure of the intel chipsets make H264 encoding faster than realtime. I was able to render a 15minute video sequence in a mere minute and some seconds. I like the fact that I can use either quicksync or nvidia's CUDA for my projects.

3DS MAX 2011 really shines with the laptop, each task is very smooth. and realtime previews via active shade are very nice too.

Work stuff set aside, and onto gaming. I've only got a handful of games to test this thing out so far but the main on my list are:

CRYSIS 2 (complete with tesselation and DX11 upgrade) which I much say is buttery smooth with everything on Ultra in 1920x1080. I don't like antialiasing in my games and especialy since this laptop is native 1080p the pixels will blend in without jaggies anyway.

FARCRY 2 this game is actually one of my favorites not because of the graphics but because of the unique freedom of travel I have with it. Plays back smoother than a babies bottom maxed out at 1080p.

GRID This is the only game I have that has refused to run at all with the GTX675m and I don't know why, when I right click and select run with intel HD graphics the game boots and plays fine, thought the performance is so weak you're stuck with watching postcard pictures in an endless slideshow. with the GTX675m selected it would just spit an error and quit upon boot.

COD:MW This game is my favorite online game ever, it's the first modern warfare and the first to not make you relive WWII over and over again too. running at 1080p with everything set on high it's a feast for the eyes, though not very pretty like BF3 and MW3 it hold it's own nicely.

for the games I do not have fraps or any other form of fps measurement, I'll grab HD videos of games running on this with my camera so there should be 0 lag on the PC.

***UPDATE***
HD video of the keyboard in pitch dark :-)

Youtube Video

***UPDATE 2***
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post May 28 2012, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(Ming1993 @ May 28 2012, 08:17 PM)
Whats the cheapest way of getting a Sager in Malaysia?
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illegear.com smile.gif
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post May 29 2012, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(BlueBean @ May 28 2012, 10:37 PM)
hi guys, i have a question for the fellow hardcore gamers.
1) can sager laptops sustain 6-10hours of gaming daily? how will the heat be like?
2) other than xoticpc and mucroasia, where else can i get my hands on a sager laptop?
thanks and have a nice day.
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1. Refer to my sig for specification. I turn on my laptop 24 hours and play games for few hours (in non aircond room).
graphics - 46'c in idle, 80'c in full load
processor - 48'c in idle, 81'c in full load
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post May 31 2012, 07:35 AM

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QUOTE(girugaga86 @ May 30 2012, 04:43 PM)
I'm wondering how's the cooling system for NP9150. Are they good? comparable to Asus cooling system?
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Definitely good. It has 2 ventilation fans to cool down processor and graphics card separately. NP9150 has similar inner builds as NP8150
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post Jun 6 2012, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(dinolim @ Jun 6 2012, 01:39 PM)
Hi, those who bought the notebook through Illegear Malaysia, may i know how long u guys wait to get ur notebook?
It has been 3 weeks time since I placed my order for NP9130 and paid for the 30% downpayment. My order status still 'Preparation in Progress'. sad.gif
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Hi.

it is better to contact Illegear directly. Sager model have to import from oversea. smile.gif
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QUOTE(dinolim @ Jun 6 2012, 04:24 PM)
Yes, I got contact Illegear and they reply me the notebook is ready in US. Now in transit.
I'm asking here just wnat to know that is >3weeks time a normal?
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it's normal. I bought sager direct from USA seller, it takes about 3 weeks to process the order and shipping. smile.gif
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post Jun 7 2012, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jun 6 2012, 08:21 PM)
you guys prefer gamut matte or gamut glossy?


Added on June 7, 2012, 7:32 ami finally place my order for p150em.

i7 3610, 7970m, 95% Gamut glossy display, 8Gb ram, 500gb HDD and other normal stuff.total cost me AUD$1811 sad.gif

can't believe i spent so much money in laptop
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you buy from australia reseller? hmm.gif
there's difference between glossy and matte (assuming gamut is the same)
glossy has mirror effect, hard to see the screen under bright light.
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jun 8 2012, 01:42 PM)
cool...

how about SSD? should I get lower capacity(120GB) for SSD and another normal HDD in optical drive bay?

I don't think 120Gb is enough to install some games but is there any noticeable performance in gaming? Or I can install game into normal HDD?
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My experience of using Kingston HyperX 240GB and Corsair Force 3 120gb.
- OS boot time average 20 secs from cold boot
- Load Battlefield 3 game about less than 30 secs compared to standard HDD which takes about more than 1 minute
- game performance depends on Processor and graphics.

120gb is enough to install couple of games and several programs. smile.gif
if you a game maniac, pick higher capacity SSD smile.gif

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jun 8 2012, 02:12 PM)
should i ditch the dvd rom and put normal HDD drive as 2nd HDD?im not sure whether i need the dvd rom or not
i already set the budget for the laptop but then i realised the SSD speed is just drooled me so is kinda tempting for me tongue.gif
higher capacity = higher money sad.gif

looks like i don really need to put games into ssd.

i have external 320GB HDD lying around but i can hear the "ngek ngek" sound from it. not sure it's the external casing problem or hdd itself. else i can use that hdd as 2nd hdd
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you can ditch optical drive and install HDD on optical drive.
If u need optical drive, can buy external one

if you hear normal hdd got "krekk kreek" sound and have problem accessing the drive, it means the HDD is going to die.
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jun 8 2012, 09:42 PM)
can't believe i just pull trigger and purchased crucial 256GB ssd lol...

i am $2k poorer in total now sad.gif
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I don't care much about write or read speed, as long as it operates on sata 3 6gbps and can boot within 20 secs from cold boot biggrin.gif
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post Jun 9 2012, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jun 8 2012, 10:05 PM)
i still new to SSD but like you said, if it performs well or about the same with others(intel,etc) in real world then im happy enough.

anyway,moving from my 4 years old dell laptop to this exp machine will sure makes my jaw drop.
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Got a bit of difference of SATA2 and SATA3 SSD. Single SSD do the job just fine, unless you want to RAID to enjoy double write/read speed
Once your hands touch Sager, you won't go for other brand. Trust me biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(silverchain @ Jun 9 2012, 07:32 PM)
how do we upgrade the internal hd ah? my np8130 running low on space d huhu
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Unscrew the bottom plate labeled (4), take out HDD and install HDD with bigger space.
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Or, you can buy caddy case and install new HDD on optical drive. In this case, you have to sacrifice the optical drive. Alternatively, the old HDD can be used as external.
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jun 9 2012, 07:51 PM)
i read that crucial SSD doesn't include screws. is that true?

where can i get those screws?
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You don't need screws to install SSD on Sager. biggrin.gif
Inside of my NP8150. You notice there's no screw to hold HDD in place as the back plate support HDD.
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QUOTE(silverchain @ Jun 10 2012, 11:14 AM)
i think im gonna sacrifice the optical drive la. Where can we get the caddy case ya?
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try ask illegear.com (prince j @ lowyat) smile.gif
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QUOTE(skeith @ Jun 10 2012, 02:26 PM)
well, I got one question to ask you guys, i planning to get a mSATA Drive SSD. But where is the slot for this? and is it wise to get this instead of traditional SSD + ODD conversion? Cheers mate. biggrin.gif lolz, it is two questions now!

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congrats with your purchase.

I believe mSATA placed on the wireless card slot. Kindly contact Horize for confirmation. smile.gif
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QUOTE(skeith @ Jun 10 2012, 03:55 PM)
thanks thanks.. but not for the faulty memory part =(

if the msata is placed on the wireless card slot, will that means no more wifi if i wan ssd for my msata? =(

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There's another minicard slot which you could install mSATA.
My laptop only has one minicard slot for wireless.
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QUOTE(skeith @ Jun 11 2012, 03:41 PM)
two silly questions,

1.Did anyone face heating issues with clevo machine within 2 years after purchasing?

2.What is the critical temperature for CPU and GPU in laptop.
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1. mine using more than 1 year, no overheating problem and operates like normal.
2. This one quite varies. I think it's around 95'C for both, or the laptop suddenly shuts down due to overheating.
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QUOTE(skeith @ Jun 11 2012, 10:01 PM)
Fans noise
No significant noise for me(I dont know your definition of noise). But when playing games, can hear fans spinning noise significantly generated from right hand side. But it can easily cover up when I shoot some1 in COD:MW3.

Temperature
GPU hit 85 celcius when playing 45mins of Crysis 2 in Extreme Settings (forgot to print screen evident)
GPU hit 54 celcius after 1 hour of carpet booming in COD:MW3 in Ultra Settings

But it did a very good job in heat dissipation. It drop back from High Temp to 40+c RAPIDLY right after I shut down the program.
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80-85'c in heavy games (crysis, BF3) is quite normal. I play BF3 in GTX460M, reaching constant 81'C in non-aircond room
It will drop to 44-46'C in idle (without games running)
If you want to hear the exact fan noise, press Fn + 1. It'll turn your laptop fan to full blast. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jun 12 2012, 11:21 AM)
i see. first time i see such room in australia lol..
also, is there any performance ram for laptop?
worth to get it?
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better stick with SSD rather than take performance RAM.
take note that the only component that bottleneck the computer is standard HDD.

U put 32GB Performance ram but still use standard HDD, it won't improve much. smile.gif

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