I cannot advance to master becuz i keep on losing to MMM and drop, what should i do? if you are terran, please tell me how a protoss would beat your MMM and drop, if you are protoss who can counter this quite easily, tell me what do u to the MMM and drop

I was going for 3 gate robo, -> expand, 1 forge upgrade -> stalker with blink (to catch drop and chase up) try to counter the MMM and drop, but it didnt work out so well, maybe becuz i dont focus on the mini map a lot when a drop comes. Most of my armies consist of stalkers, a few sentries and colossi, not much on zealot unless i have not enuf gas to pump units. Any suggestion anyone?

1) Put observers around your bases like Zerg would put their Overlords to spot for incoming drops. Observers are cheap anyway. Pay attention to minimap often.

2) Some cannons near mineral line will be good to snipe that dropship.

3) Mid to late game, DT deny drop quite efficiently. Warp in some DTs when a drop is coming.

4) You need Zealots to counter Marauders and tank damage. Treat them as compulsory unit in your army. Good FF + Zealots + few colo rape MMM easily.

good observer cannot be spotted like overload, so it can lure the terran drop without him knowing i knew he is coming, and i snipe his dropship before he even drops a single marine

my exp. zealot heavy, stalker + colossus is alot better than zealot, heavy stalker and colossus. Type1 is more effective in dealing MMM. Zealot just cannot die to Marauder. IF Terran go Marine heavy (which I doubt), Colossus roast them like BBQ. Stalker heavy unit usually die to Marauder heavy MMM. and ya. DT, mix it inside. U will be amaze the effect of them. Sometime I need to use 1 EMP just to reveal them and that might change the tide of battle.

This post has been edited by jeffvip: May 13 2011, 08:09 AM

you should post this at protoss discussion section and the most effective way to counter is good observer placements OR spotting pylons. you need to know the path medivac is coming on each map and its pretty easy.

another thing is know drop timings, i can think of only 1 drop timing via 1 base, which is blue flame hellion drop. all other drops will only occur after having 2 base income. because starport tech will not come so fast. if not, he is 1 basing hardcore and you should be able to roll over him if you can defend it.

if you have observers spotting him, warp in stalkers and snipe the medivac. problem solved.

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Added on May 13, 2011, 8:22 amfor direct engagement, upgrade protoss defend +1....you dont know how effective it is combined with guardian shield. chaohai.....same supply of food almost confirms a decisive win on protoss side. early game just gateway + immo, late game collosus HT gateway....protoss units are so cost effective in a ball.

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Added on May 13, 2011, 8:23 amdont get pure stalker or stalker collo only tho....they are so weak against marauder. you need zealots.

This post has been edited by quest_5692: May 13 2011, 08:23 AM

just kill them b4 they can do anything easy

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1511775

please post in appropriate thread.

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Added on May 13, 2011, 9:58 amfunnily, why everyone is advocating the use on zealot when a while back then on the protoss thread i've heard they are useless?

wwwwwwwwwww

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: May 13 2011, 09:58 AM

zealots is useless against MMM but chargelots is useful got different between zealots n chargelots

This post has been edited by SiewKaiz: May 13 2011, 10:13 AM

lol, why somebody dont wanna upgrade charge? When i play toss, I always chrono that out. Very useful

but not chargelot rush.....its pretty darn awful. it would definitely help in mid to late game.

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Added on May 13, 2011, 10:46 amas we had seen alot of PvT in GSL now, P are always waiting charge to finish then push into terran tank line

This post has been edited by quest_5692: May 13 2011, 10:46 AM

IIRC the thing you all were arguing on was the usefulness of Zealots in PvZ, not PvT.

general usefulness. though, now people are bending it to be "zealots" and "chargelots"

i mean, i thought chargelots are also zealots, and not an evolution ala pokemon and they suddenly became NOT zealots.

There are surely differences as in the case of "slowlings" and "speedlings" in that you can get to your enemy faster without having to spend all the stupid time of chasing while your attack cooldown already completes like 10 seconds ago.

Speed doesn't just mean moving faster. It indirectly increases the DPS.

1. vision and map awareness (xelnaga, pylons, obs)
2. phoenix (need lots of apm to be active with it, a unit compo for the colossus-phoenix ball)
3. DT (force a scan when they drop, 1 shot marines if u upgrade right to counter the medic heals during drop, kill terran outright if they are greedy, map control, slow their tempo when u snipe addons which are my fav to do lol). With archon buff, u wont mind turning them to archons at times...

point: speedlings and slowlings are both, yes, zerglings.

I thought you are talking about general usefulness. And now you are talking about their origin form.

I know, boys and girls were, yes, monkeys.

is this argument even necessary?

As necessary as "Would MC haters hate Nestea too?".

I hate DT as a Terran. Pls don't mention their name. I m gonna faint if I see them

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Added on May 13, 2011, 4:53 pmLike

LOL... Let's hate MC but not Nestea

This post has been edited by jeffvip: May 13 2011, 04:59 PM

dun be so petty

i love both. I love BM ppl. to be exact, ppl who have the skill and rights to BM. the feeling of mule drop or in base nexus when you are winning. i like to drink nerd tears. not whining or cursing when you are losing.

DT? f*** banshee. im a terran.

is this pure sarcasm ? lolol

ok, here's my 2 cents.

pylons at edges of base to spot - Nydus wryms and Medivac drops

or

1 cannon - to ward off / buy time for reinforcements

or

if u have high templars, keep 1 or 2 - very effective against muta harrases and MM

or

scout early with phoneixes / hallucinated phoneixes

or

my personal favourite - pylon at mineral line, warp in reinforcements immediately once you see drops. simple, practical and effective.

now while i am quite DECENT (read: bronze) with starcraft 2, i will leave it up to the archaeologists or historians to on the whole monkey remark.

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Added on May 13, 2011, 10:08 pmi dont know man, he kinda called you a monkey. you bending over that?

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Added on May 13, 2011, 10:09 pmflying DTs man, he have a point.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: May 13 2011, 10:09 PM

in case my previous post aint clear, f*** banshee. Hate them.

Im still a terran

flying dt range attack...

cant win them, join them. go banshees urself

why Nestea?

not sure why he said something which i posted from another thread aka about GSL to build up the hype for the GSL finals (unless he's mad at me for something or its a trolling attempt)...

a question about would MC haters hate Nestea based on the interview...
MC haters always said MC to be arrogant and at times look down on his opponent (more to race imho) and Nestea did the same in the recent playxp interview...

sc2 will be much more boring without BM.

Well since someone wants to talk about history of species instead of general usefulness, so I'll just follow how the topic goes instead of being off-topic. Eh wait, now you're getting mad over the whole monkey remark? Sorry about that and I hope you don't get offended like a butthurt monkey.

This post has been edited by westley0214: May 14 2011, 03:00 PM

i dont know man, if im actually mad or butthurt of being a monkey, i think you probably should be mad at yourself too. after all i believe we're of the same species, unless you're perhaps an ET? i just recently watched an episode of anime and it featured a really heart stopping ET, if you're anything like that it would be really troubling to my wellbeing i would say.

BM?

blademasters, dota hero. blizzard copied from icefrog

bad manners

beast master, rexxar from dota..

bahasa malaysia la~

play with forcefield make sure u get alot of sentries and trap them and make sure ur zealots have room to slice and dice them. Owh yah and ur forge upgrade in early game, u do not go for atk +1 instead of that go for def+1 cuz it would be so good to tank marauders and marines including ur force fields must be good to trap them in a certain choke point

type MMM op