i personally think that we should have a nice and informative thread regarding fake items which are flooding our market now..

(including this forum)..
common fake items includes

- Optical mouse
- USB Drive / Thumbdrive
- Rechargeable Battery & Charger
- Blank CD/DVD Media
- Memory Stick / CF / SD / MMC media

and many more..

let's contribute guys ! dont be the victim of FAKE items !

Known Sellers With FAKE Item (Coming Soon)
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This post has been edited by dinster: Jan 22 2006, 02:14 AM

just be an intellectual consumer and u wont have to worry about fake/imatated items..

That's good. Lets make a tutorial about it.
1. How to identify fake items
2. Report if fake items are in the market/LYN

everyone should contribute to this thread..

correct..

but not all of us know how to identify fake/imitated items..

that's why i'm here with this thread..

Fake Sony Rechargeable Batt, ATI 9550(somthin about the ns.....) i only know two

Fake canon ink ... Cheap shop in penang dare to claim is a original ink ... and the box is totally different and say is new packing ... Hate this cheap ppl ... and last time i duno stupid stupid go and buy one ... my ink head dead that why i changed to Epson

wat do u mean by FAKE items? does it mean NOT REAL as in FAKE, as in the item doesnt exist but ppl still sell it? or FAKE as in IMITATION... or FAKE as in ppl trying to bulk/sell the item when the stock in not at hand or .... er.. watever that is u intended.

pls define the word FAKE in ur msg above as i find it quite confusing.

errr.. Radeon 9550 that uses slower RAM.. that one cannot be considered as fake ler..

nice info there !

perhaps some real pictures ?

din..saw in the feedback forum u're saying somebody here is selling fake item...wonder give a clue on it?...

so far the only FAKE (imitation) item i can identify is the "SONY branded" usb drive, any1 having any idea?

so far..thos rm 12 sony battery is fake to me..u can feel the differences between original sony battery weight n fake.original is heavier

n yeah..sony "thumbdrive"

nyway..there's sumone sell it tell da peepz itz a immitation item..n i respect him

This post has been edited by amirsubhi: Aug 12 2005, 03:06 PM

there is a lot of 'fake' thumdrive. specially SONY, or now even it come with TOSHIBA. anyway, still a lot of ppl supporting them cuz it is cheap! RM60 for 256mb!!!

but be ware~! i heard most of the user report that it cant safe too much folder, cuz it will 'destroy' the data and need to reformat a again.

well dinster, im sure support this thread, and will make report from time to time~

what bout fake people? conman? or half man & half women? can also arr?

anyway, i do support this idea

This post has been edited by awiekupo: Aug 12 2005, 03:42 PM

woi dont play play la

Fake Casio watch, lot of them are being sale at lelong.com

wow.. new info for me !

thanks a lot !

bukan setakat casio jer byk lagi jam tiruan

Sounds like a good idea but the thread starter would have to edit the first post to list down the "fake" items (with links if possible) for better reference and avoid double reporting.

but toshiba do have thumbdrives right? last time i work in a notebook store they got wan...

This post has been edited by usus: Aug 12 2005, 04:47 PM

for the record, i've PMed dinster about this and he has explained the situation to me. at the moment we are still trying to get to the bottom of this so til then, please exercise prudence and becareful when buying things u suspect to be illegal/stolen/fake etc etc

People also need to know how 'FAKE' differs from 'AFTERMARKET' or '3RD PARTY' products, because not every non-original stuffs are fake you know.

1. sony thumdrives
2. sony rechargable batteries
3. sony usb mouse
4. sony 512mb MP3 player (yes... the china factory juz slapped SONY name on the chapalang mp3 player)
5. fake nike wristbands (those colorful bands)

will add summore later if i can remember more. blur blur now.


edit: ADDs:

6. 3.5" / 2.5" HDD enclosure bearing VAIO, IBM logo
7. i-river mp3 player

This post has been edited by lucifah: Aug 12 2005, 10:35 PM

What i saw nowadays is...

Many china products they very dare to PRINT IBM/SONY/HP logo in the mouse there...

and then when seller sell normally they claim it is OEM mouse...

But from the quality and the design i don't think it is really original...

For example, how come Sony and HP come out with a mouse, same design, but just the place printed SONY, become HP???

OEM this word sometime also get misuse already

what is oem actually
origenal from manufacurer?

original equipment manufacturer.

1. sony thumdrives
2. sony rechargable batteries
3. sony usb mouse
4. sony 512mb MP3 player (yes... the china factory juz slapped SONY name on the chapalang mp3 player)
5. fake nike wristbands (those colorful bands) (got some s-up s-up style double band with diff writing)

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Comments
Item 2 - From s***gio. No more selling liao; FAKE 2300 SONY. WTF. Summore say original. Half weight stuff compared to ORIGINAL 2100 SONY from shop. Performance like 1600s. FAKE = CHARGES IN 30 MINS

This post has been edited by ceo684: Aug 21 2005, 01:41 AM

nice idea bro dins, ill be watching the thread

Especially 4 watches... replica's one == not original @ fake's one...

You can see it easily at Lelong.com.my

let me add. ive got fake casing fully aloy VAIO brand for my notebook HDD

This post has been edited by gengstapo2: Aug 12 2005, 08:34 PM

what bout the Nike Stand-Up Speak-Up wristbands? few months ago it was selling like hot cakes all over Europe and the stock was never enough but I see many ppl selling everywhere.

yeah i totally support tis idea ..
hv been disappointed cz bought fake sony rechargeable batteries ..
dude it look almost d same as d real 1 ..
bt d performance it far fr near d real 1 ..

what if i say some shops selling "VAIO" brand hdd casing (Ext) as a part of Sony...and they claim that its from Sony and priced it at >RM80 too. ?

those sony batteries are fake one ahhhh?
confirm or not? coz i m buying
plz tell me
thanks

ori, fake, imitation, oem...
it's a MUST for every seller to verify, we have the right to know!

hahahaha... did you see the word SONY in the casing? No right? hehehe

This type of method very HOT in China!!


oh ya... hehehe beware of bought a fake natural crystal as well hehe

Mini Tips for buying Amethyst...
- Avoid getting super clear natural Amethyst. It is very high grade if it is REAL, or it just a fake amethyst hehehe
- Amethyst normally will have some inclusion and level inside it!

Imitation IBM/Sony/Dell/HP/Logitech Mouses.

I saw them everywhere in PC shops, online trading forum and auctioning sites.

Personally I have 3 real IBM and Dell Optical mouses, and then when I saw the actual imitation mouse, the quality and the font ratio of the IBM/Dell logo are totally different. >_<

I wonder can this kind of optical mouse last?

True, but those expensive watches sold at a fraction of it's original price is/are obvious. For Casio that's cost RM300 sold at Rm150+ it's hard to swallow for me.

AFAIK, all logitechs mice sold in this forum are the original ones...

who can make a fake 800dpi mx500? mx510? and the superb 1600dpi mx518?

dell? ngbh's bulk is the real deal. it even has DELL product code.

the rest dunno lar...

i agree
state that the item is fake at first, not oem, second hand etc.
so can reduce conman

Confirm fake, check my earlier post. BIG DIFFERENCES from ori 2100 and FAKE 2300

keep on posting guys..

wake up everybody !!!

# i just bought GP Charger + Rechargeable Batteries from Vertex Distribution Sdn. Bhd (authorised distro for GP Batteries)

gonna take some pictures of it later..

(for the sake of this thread and to promote genuine items)

# last week during PC Fair i went to Sony Style KLCC and already did some research on Sony Charger..

from my observation, the charger itself;

1. must have SIRIM and Jabatan Bekalan Elektrik sticker on it.

2. the user manual is a printed material (sharp and clear) rather than a "photocopied" one (blurry)

3. the battery itself is heavier than the battery which i bought from a forumer here.

from my understanding..

imitation is fine.. as long as u use ur own brand..

but claiming that ur look-fake-stuff as original and sell it at near original price is totally unacceptable..

for external hdd casing, to me, that VAIO brand is totally fake la.. not from Sony one..

Dinster, thanks for bringing this up as we buyers should always exercise our rights in the correct manner and for those who want to make fast money, BEWARE, we can report to CAP and u will be slapped with a hefty fine.. waana try? I 100% support this thread as I find that nowadays its we are taking 50 - 50% chance when buying something through the forum, maybe we look like sitting duckz.. so this hunter target us Anyway, MOdz if dont mind can pin this thread up so forumers be assured that their hard earned cash are well spend!

This post has been edited by Jenn77: Aug 13 2005, 01:37 AM

err guys..

imitation is not fake right ?

from my understanding...

imitation = they tiru the design/idea/technology only, but use their own brand

fake = use branded name and claim that it is original..

in short, imitation is a normal business practices.. but fake is crap..

i hate sum of the seller misuse OEM name..

Imitation - design - varies from original (must above 75%)
idea ( usually the same concept)
technology ( same concept / function)
Brand name, of course 100% own, but some very daring, up to 95% of the original item, so its call FAKE

Correct me if Im wrong..

wow...this is a good thread....but if i'm not mistaken, the seller cannot sell 'fakey/replica' in this forum rite?? so how they gonna inform the buyers??....hmm...for me if the 'fakey/replica' is cheap...then can accept la...if sell at the same price...it is too much....coz in chinese words i learn from my friend, 'u pay for wat u get'....

i think i suggest the sellers to verify the item they wanna sell with the MOD b4 they can open a bulk....will that be ok?? its not the best solution but at least better than nothing....i hope the MOD can do a little bit more extra job...so the forumer can live happily ever after here....eheheh

another thing....i see there is less 'good and reliable' seller around....and seldom see good bargains....too bad....

but there is attitude in this forum that i dun like much....like if there is anyone in trouble or conned, everyone is like rushing in the thread and flame here and there without waiting the seller to explain....hehehe....(report report....jaga tidak report polis)....

i'm replying this thread just to give my opinion....if it sounds like 'BS'...then i'm sorry...but again...everyone got their own brain and got different thinking....y not share it to make this forum a better place to trade and stay....

Cheers to LYN~~

p/s: if i write something wrong here, pls forgive me ok....i'm not the one who like to be flame.....takut panas kata-kan

We all know those advertised "OEM Sony Mouse" are fake, not only fake brand, but the advertised 800dpi is bulls*it, i've brought one and the resolution is far from that. I have a 620dpi and 800dpi a4tech mouse and the "OEM Sony" mouse don't even have a resolution that's near to 620dpi. In my experience, running 800dpi resolution can be quite uncomfortable to the wrist,it strain the wrist too much from the higher precision needed to move the mouse, even when your screen resolution is 1280x1024. So if your "800dpi OEM" mouse is not any faster than your typical optical mouse, most probably it's fake.

And yet many sellers subscribed to the excessive usage of the word "OEM". Let's make things change for once. Many uninformed buyer had been misleaded. We all know who the sellers are, but none of us are willing to stand up and say something.

kinda disagree with u, here in this forum fake items is not allowed at all..

no matter what the price is..

thanks for the info

i think many of us afraid to stand up bcoz here in LY.net, flaming is a norm

so you found someone in ly forum seeling fake/immated items..

whatchu gonna do about it?

i think the proper wat if u meet a fakey supplier is to ask Gavlim to warn him and ask him to stop selling....

i think it is not proper to shoot him down....flaming here and there....coz u might not know that he is maybe one of the reliable seller but just got the wrong stuff to sell...ehhehe....

i'm not siding anyone but it is proper this way...it will end up peacefully.....

of course with such proper of your way, same situation would repeat itself...

hmm....correct also....if use soft way...surely they will do again...hmm.....if hard way...sound very hush la....

aduhai~~.....macam mane??

sumtimes its a 'premium item' for the brands. for example, HP can ask china factory to print HP name on 1000 mouse. These mouses are used as 'premium' gift to customers. it doesnt mean HP make these items.

sometimes HP can reject the shipment so china have to dump the shipment to 3rd world countries (us!!!) cheaply to recover the loss.

its very normal for china to make a good quality 'show sample' then when mass shipment the quality is bad.

nice

this should be pinned

majority people won't buy a RM1k+ iriver mp3 player.....so imitation one will get the market share easily...bottomline, if the product is way cheaper than the market price....u should know either is a imitation or original...



there is no 'fake' watch, but an 'imitation' watch
there is no 'imitation' eye, but a 'fake' eye

First of all, try to understand what i'm trying to say before you shoot me.

IMHO, i think it's okay to sell fake item to people, IF you dutifully let your buyer know what you're selling is not the original item (not by using the word OEM). Some people still choose to buy fake item because of the huge price difference.

It's a crime if you don't tell the truth to your customer, what they are getting for their money. In this case, even real item sold can have misleading advertisements. For example, let's say i have a PalmOne Zire 31 for sale, and i say that it's built-in Wifi, (in case you don't know, it doesn't come with Wifi), then i'm cheating the customer, right?

bottom line: We should not ban fake items, it's been around us for such a long time it's impossible to curb their inflow.A simple quiz, how many of you are using real Windows XP there? (No, i'm not saying you're using fake Windows XP, but you get my idea). The only thing we need to do is to make sure the buyer know what they're buying. It's different thing to buy a "water" item and a fake item.

yeah agree...

Seller should STATE EVERYTHING PROPERLY!

If original then say original
if fake say is fake~

We still will buy 1!!! hahaha but sure lower price!

but fake item is not allowed to be sold here, remember that

anyways, here's the picture of my GP Charger, thanks to Vertex Distribution Sdn. Bhd.



take note of the holographic SIRIM sticker and the Suruhanjaya Tenaga sticker..

Genuine Sony Charger has these stickers as well (from my observation at Sony Style KLCC last week)



This post has been edited by dinster: Aug 13 2005, 06:48 PM

my charger is same like urs

safe

THOSE SONY RECHARGABLE BATTERIES AND THE SUPER QUICK CHARGER ARE THE THE THE GREATEST FAKE OF ALL!!!

And i hate to get excuses from the seller saying that "I didn't know dude cos i didn't test the product. My distributer told me that it is ORIGINAL".

Can we have a rule that every claimed to be ORIGINAL products by the seller be tested by one of the LYP heads? That way we all can be quite a bit secured i think. So seller too has no more excuses of for any UN-satisfied buyer.

Peace! And sorry for the caPitol letters. I guess i just spent RM183 for "SONY" batteries and charger for nothing!

Sigh....!

IMHO, for the sake of LYN forumers, the seller's nick shoud be posted if he/she still sell fake items but stating the item is OEM/ORI/Imitation.

FAKE, FAKE REAR vs REAL NIKON EN-EL3

This post has been edited by ceo684: Aug 13 2005, 09:08 PM


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its a crime to sell immatated/fake goods. telling a lie is an alibi.

u spent RM 183 for fake stuff ?

sorry to hear that..

Sony Quick Charger + 4 Batteries = RM 150++ at Sony Style KLCC

hmm.. this thread shud be pinned up.

mods... where art thou?

for ur attention .. another sony

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=184430

nice heads up

i would say alot of those fake so called mouse. especially they like to brand it sony. i have one benq (gave when i bought laptop) mouse. and it looks exactly like the so called sony mouse. mabye its just oem stuff...

also those so called "IBM" external drive. haha

well hope my info is correct...

I agree with ernie ball that fake item should not be ban. seller should inform buyer on the origin of the item, whether it's an original/fake/imitation/etc. how should a trade be control? sometimes the selled don't even know whether the item is original/fake/imitation/etc. unless LYN set a rule that every seller must submit all appropriate documents, get approved by LYN admins, then only a trade thread can be post.

and about those holographic stickers, how we know the sticker is real? it's just like MyCard, gov say it's high security, can never be replicate, etc blah blah, but still, reports on fake MyCard still appears.

just my 2 cents.

This post has been edited by gelap: Aug 14 2005, 03:37 AM

shit.. fake items not only here in LY.net but now at LYP !!

thanks bro for sharing the info..

but having 2 stickers from SIRIM (holographic) and from Suruhanjaya Tenaga (with licence no.) is better than no sticker at all right

This post has been edited by dinster: Aug 14 2005, 03:55 PM

anyway, who have fake Sony Battery here ?

are u willing to pass it to me so that i can measure its weight ?

me willing to buy some from Sony Style as comparision

i disagree.

distributing immated/fake is againts the law. if i were to report the seller to the authorities rather than the ly.net mod's, he/she would be in trouble. you are not allowed to do so by all means necessary, even if inform the consumer.

This post has been edited by ezinger: Aug 14 2005, 04:30 PM

i have a few confirmed 100% orignal sony AA batteries + original charger.

prob is, dun have any SIRIM marks,

why?

coz i bought it at best denki in singapore @ robinson's

old GP chargers also dun have sirim or hollographic .. i can be sure it's original because it comes with free gift and hi quality packaging + manual.

not only this.. i even say fake canon original ink sold in lowyat.. the box quality really bad. u can notice it if u see carefully...

adoi... more n more fake items appeared

Man, I supposed any Fake TCCDs around?lol

I have original 2100 and fake 2300. u want?
the fake one very easy to see - charges within 30 mins
the real one, 1.5-2 hrs.

Got suruhanjaya on the packaging, and the GP Msia distributor sticker but no sirim.
The shops one usually original punya.

This post has been edited by ceo684: Aug 15 2005, 01:47 PM

at least 2 sellers are selling Sony Rechargeable Battery at Bulk Order now..

This post has been edited by dinster: Aug 15 2005, 02:26 PM

There are people selling the fake Nike Stand Up Speak Up Anti-Racist Arm band at LYN. The items look like real but minus the nike logo on the bands ....

so, is there any action to be taken by admins/mods/etc? what kinda action and how to enforce the rules?

come on moderator, u can do sthing to stop this fake items to be sold to forumer..

pity to us..

they ripped off our hard-earned money......

Gimme the link and I will look into the matter as seriously as possible. I don't prefer getting conned either. If any of you guys found any suspicious thread about fake items claiming it to be real, just report the post to me or gavlim.

Guys, provided that you are right, stand up <--- fear no flames. This should not happen in this forum at least.

The only problem AFAIK is awareness/ ability to differentiate between fake/real. Contributions made here will always be appreciated.

Let's fight this war together guys. Dump those ignorant mentality and start being a responsible community.

Dinster, dudes and dudettes,

Fake Magnetic LED torch/ Kinetic LED torch/ Faraday LED torch.

I was curious enough to butcher one open and I found the following:

1) PCB got holes for diodes to rectify the coil's output but no diodes was found.
2) Output of the coil was shorted out on the PCB.
3) The magnet that moves inside the coil was not a magnet at all.
4) The power to the LED is supplied by 2 CR2032 coin batteries.

No way you'll ever get any kinetic energy coverted into electrical energy macam ni.

I googled but found no mention of a fake magnetic torch so we found it here on LYN first!

Buyers beware.

Many thanks,
Boffin01

What this guy says is extremely true, i support his statement.

Curiously, i also have one of these last time, i know some of the kinetic torch did not even had any component on the circuit board, but mine does have a high capacity capacitor (0.47F, considered extremely high capacity), apart from the 4 1N4001 diodes. No, i don't buy this from the forum, but from your momma's grocery store, because i can actually see something in the circuit board.

Now the fun part. I dismantle it and found two button cells totalling 6v (usually ~4.5v is enough to power up a white led). Since the voltage is too high, the diodes were there to decrease the voltage to ~4v.

And as a experiment of the charging capability as claimed, i took out the battery from the torchlight, then i empty the capacitor off any remaining charge, took nearly 2 minutes. (like i say, it's a huge capacitor.) Then i shake the torchlight vigourously, yes, i do look kinda weird, but this is for the sake of science

My observations?

1) You can't produce enough power to light up the torchlight as you shake.

2) After shaking for 5 minutes non-stop (good exercise), you can light the torchlight, but it's very dim, kinda like a nearly dead torchlight. You can't do anything useful with the light.

3) Further shaking produces no significant change to the brightness.

Don't ask me the voltage level and stuff, i don't have a voltmeter that time.


the manufacturer's claim is totally bullsh*t because you can never produce enough energy to operate the torchlight. And they just hope you don't really finish up the 2xCR2032 battery in a few year's time, which is quite true, if you're not a torchlight maniac.

My bottom line: The torchlight is still worth the price. 2xCR2032 already cost more than rm10 in the first place. Just to compare penny to penny, it's still worth it. The led is quite bright, it will last you years without replacing the batt, who cares if the circuit works?

I think the link of the thread of this fake item should be posted here.

i think we should pin this topic

OEM fake also ar?

i think the seller has to be honest la...

It's true that I have seen and also seeing alot of fake items here..

Well, you can always copy ppl's design but using people's brand is a serious offence. Because Sony is a registered company and also of course a very branded name, and is registered under the LAW. So if you use their name, you are against the law.

You can always copy their design and by using ur own brand - nobody can sue you.

suggest quote the items and edit on the first post for easy to refer

will do Sphenix

anyways guys, should we put link to suspected fake items here ?

YES please, it'll be a great help to all potential buyers.

Put the link and proofs of your accusations as well.

mind sharing the url? really nice price.

i dun mind they selling fake item, but they MUST state at their thread, big and bold, which is imitate item...

guys, would like to report fake Billionton Class 1 Bluetooth USB Adapter (100M).

i personally have an original unit of the above item which i bot for rm95 n was rather curiuos and attracted to its pricing at abt rm50-55 in bulk sales. i have personally seen the fake ones as well, and they are completely different. u can tell from its leds, plastic quality and writings on the product itself.

its been going around recently and has cropped up at our 'bulk sales' as well. so pls guys, be careful!!

u may find more info here....

http://forum.mypdacafe.com/viewtopic.php?t=5353&start=0

Link
i bought 100pcs from mika,this cdr only can burnt for 700mb/80min,i've comfirm with my fren edi..pm mika asking regarding the problems,he just replied me my burner not support,ask again which burner support,no reply,deleted my pm somemore,several times edi..

kes serius ni...

okay guys.... since moderators want proof from us...

let us now gather proof of this fake item okay.....

so, anyone here with fake item.. perhaps u can post some pictures ?

*****************

if u own Sony Charger bought from Vcool,

pls take note of this ;

1. user manual - looks like a "photocopied" manual instead of printed version.

2. no SIRIM / JBE / Suruhanjaya sticker.

3. no sticker from authorized local Sony Distributor.

4. performance of the battery

* my GP 1600mAH performs FAR BETTER than 2300mAH fake Sony (from my own experience)

Genuine Sony charger should have;

1. Printed manual. 3 small booklets instead of 1 booklet (Vcool's).

2. SIRIM sticker.

3. Authorized local Sony Distributor.

This post has been edited by dinster: Aug 22 2005, 03:14 AM

dinster I have PM vcool regarding this issue, we shall wait for him to explain.

thanks moderator

wow.. didnt notice theres such a thread here...I gotta say the best thread too.. , esp. as a consumer here...

GJ dinster and mods!!!..

Btw, i think someone shld provide a "legit" product picture.. it makes easier to know... i might go to shop and take a snapshot of the "sony charger" and post it here..

Cheers

*me bookmarked this page liaoz*..

This post has been edited by TomatomanzSeedlezz: Aug 22 2005, 04:46 AM

this is regarding breaker's Sony Charger..

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=186654

my verdict ;

breaker's charger = Vcool's charger = suspected fake

This post has been edited by dinster: Aug 22 2005, 04:48 AM