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post Dec 2 2016, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Nov 18 2016, 04:56 PM)
Please update -
Maybank 2 Visa/Master Platinum is 2.25%
Maybank 2 Platinum is 2.5%
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sorry, what's the difference of maybank 2 card platinum and maybank 2 platinum? rclxub.gif

Local Banks
- Maybank2C VISA/MasterCard : 2.26% (~ 1% + 1.25%)
- Maybank2C AMEX : 2.5%
- Maybank American Express with Maybank logo on top : 2.8-3%
- American Express : 2.8 -3%
- CIMB Bank : (cashback plat) 2.53% (should be ~ 1% + 1.5%)
- Public Bank : 1.25%, (visa signature) 1.0125%
- RHB Bank : (master plat) 1.02%
- AmBank :
- Hong Leong Bank VISA/MasterCard:
- EON Bank :
- Affin Bank :
- Alliance :
- Aeon: (gold) 1.5% (watami) 0.8-1.2%

Foreign Banks
- HSBC : (visa plat) 2.27% (should be ~ 1% + 1.25%)
- OCBC bank :
- Standard Chartered :
- UOB Bank :
- Citibank : 1% + 1.4% (= 2.414%)
(if SGD, it is just 0.5%. surprising)

btw, as updating from someone's info, it is realised that the visa / master rate was on the transaction date. it should use posting date.

This post has been edited by ProxMatoR: Dec 2 2016, 02:55 PM
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post Dec 2 2016, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Nov 2 2016, 09:03 PM)
Ambank cards...

payments in sgd and aud...

visa yields about 2.0 to 2.2% on top of visa rates....

mc yields a consistent 1%....

i should drawer the visa and just use the mc....
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yeah, genx's reader (or iFriend) wrote an article that his AM World MC has just 1% (refer here). But it is unknown on AM VI, but should be also just 1% since both are enjoying equivalent benefits? (since their AM VI Priority is only available in VI, no master)
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post Dec 3 2016, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Dec 2 2016, 04:02 PM)
Based on experience, the bank surcharge rate is different between visa and mc....

The benefits provided are the same, but that is not the same as surcharges...why they should be different I have no idea...
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I guess that's about the corporation within AM and MC/VISA? these years MC is pretty aggressive, maybe that's why giving AM adv compared to VISA? hahaha... rclxm9.gif

which I wonder why some banks has wide range of surcharge rate rather than a fixed rate........
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post Dec 16 2016, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Dec 6 2016, 10:53 AM)
Abit late

Citibank Clear Visa Card
Transaction DatePosting DateAmount in foreign currencyAmount in MYRExchange RateVisa Rate (posting date)Fee %
25/05/201626/05/2016EUR 62.10293.024.7185194.6074082.41%
24/08/201625/08/2016GBP 5202862.855.5054815.3757052.41%
11/10/201612/10/2016GBP 3551880.445.2970145.1721342.41%
11/10/201612/10/2016GBP 2381260.685.2969755.1721342.41%

My calculation is based on posting date. If I use transaction date, a different fee % for transactions of different date. Looks like Citibank I managed to get the transaction fee across 3 dates and 2 currencies. Repost my May transaction for comparison.
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It looks fine to me tho. 1% + 1.4% = 2.414%
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post Dec 19 2016, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(sushix @ Dec 19 2016, 11:51 AM)
|Transaction Type|Aeon Gold|
Transaction Date15 Dec 2016
Transaction amount฿ 2,718.00
Amount chargedRM 346.35
rate0.127428256
visa rate @ 15/120.125250
Difference1.7%

Transaction TypeAeon Gold
Transaction Date16 Dec 2016
Transaction amount฿ 1,189.00
Amount chargedRM 151.39
rate0.1273254836
visa rate @ 16/120.125537
Difference1.4%
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VISA RATE should use POSTING date, not transaction date. smile.gif
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post Jan 7 2017, 11:02 AM

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Local Banks
- Maybank2C VISA/MasterCard : 2.26% (~ 1% + 1.25%)
- Maybank2C AMEX : 2.5%
- Maybank American Express with Maybank logo on top : 2.8-3%
- American Express : 2.8 -3%
- CIMB Bank : (cashback plat) 2.53% (should be ~ 1% + 1.5%)
- CIMB BANK (MC) 2%
- Public Bank : 1.25%, (visa signature) 1.0125%
- RHB Bank : (master plat) 1.02%
- AmBank :
- Hong Leong Bank VISA/MasterCard:
- EON Bank :
- Affin Bank :
- Alliance :
- Aeon: (gold) 1.5% (watami) 0.8-1.2%

Foreign Banks
- HSBC : (visa plat) 2.27% (should be ~ 1% + 1.25%)
- OCBC bank :
- Standard Chartered :
- UOB Bank : (YOLO) 2.5%
- Citibank : 1% + 1.4% (= 2.414%)
(if SGD, it is just 0.5%. surprising)

Wonder if anyone has citibank MC card for us to compare... haha
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post Jan 7 2017, 11:07 AM

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adele123 surprised that UOB is from SG, but they still charge 2.5% if you spend in SGD, unlike CITI, charge only 0.5%......

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post Jan 12 2017, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(sms2u @ Jan 9 2017, 11:18 PM)
no suprise if u refer to UOB malaysia credit card, cos it still need to convert back to ringgit from SGD.
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but CITI doesn't charge 2.5%, just 0.5%. blink.gif
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post Feb 13 2017, 01:53 PM

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I'm not sure about AMEX, but for VISA, you can visit:

https://usa.visa.com/support/consumer/trave...alculator.html/

https://travel.visa.com/apcemea/my/en/travel-tools.html

both are identical rate


QUOTE(jason18689 @ Feb 12 2017, 12:07 AM)
Guys,

May I know where can i see daily foreign rate that will be charged to my credit card?
Am using MBB Visa and Amex.
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post May 25 2017, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(jiaen0509 @ Apr 25 2017, 05:52 PM)
Just want to know, is it worth to use Maybank Visa/Amex credit card or change the cash when go travel?

Like travel to China. Is it better change RMB at Malaysia first or change a bit and use Credit Card?
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China DO NOT accept any other card.... only UNIONPAY. So, either you go to BOC (bank of china), or MBB to apply. And, if not mistaken, there are different UNIONPAY card, there is specific initial 4 digit card to be accepted in China.

QUOTE(neobie @ May 6 2017, 12:13 AM)
Meaning UOB is 1% most of the time?
The transactions I checked all are ~ 2.2%
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1% is the admin fee. they will have forex rate charge too. so, it will add to 2.2 - 2.25

hope this clarifies.

Local Banks
- Maybank2C VISA/MasterCard : 2.26% (~ 1% + 1.25%)
- Maybank2C AMEX : 2.5%
- Maybank American Express with Maybank logo on top : 2.8-3%
- American Express : 2.8 -3%
- CIMB Bank : (cashback plat) 2.53% (should be ~ 1% + 1.5%)
- CIMB BANK (MC) 2%
- Public Bank : 1.25%, (VS) 1.0125%
- RHB Bank : (master plat) 1.02%
- AmBank : (VISA) 2.0 to 2.2% (WM) 1%
- HLB VISA/MasterCard:
- EON Bank :
- Affin Bank :
- Alliance : (VISA) 2.17%
- Aeon: (gold) 1.5% (watami) 0.8-1.2%

Foreign Banks
- HSBC : (visa plat) 2.27% (should be ~ 1% + 1.25%)
- OCBC bank :
- Standard Chartered :
- UOB Bank : (YOLO) 2.5%
- Citibank : 1% + 1.4% (= 2.414%)
(if SGD, it is just 0.5%. surprising)
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post May 26 2017, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ May 25 2017, 08:01 PM)
That is not entirely true. Major establishments in 1st tier cities such as Beijing do accept VISA or AMEX. And please use multi quote when posting.
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Sorry, I didn't mean the entire China. I meant that nearly whole China... in fact, most of the places who accept VISA / MASTER / AMEX are big hotels / big companies that deals foreigner clients the most, which easily found in Beijing and Shanghai....

Thanks for your correction! tongue.gif

QUOTE(jiaen0509 @ May 25 2017, 09:59 PM)
Maybank do not have UnionPay ya...
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yes, I personally think MBB don't have too.... I have no idea why, but I consulted with BoC, they said you can find out with MBB... and actually I think Ambank has it? PBB has it? why no refer to them instead? lol

pls correct me if i'm wrong.... sweat.gif sweat.gif
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post May 27 2017, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(Tsting @ May 26 2017, 02:07 PM)
Dear MilesAndMore,

Your contribution to this forum has been invaluable.
Been reading up alot on your post in the various topics.

I am applying for a hsbc premier travel card (mastercard).
Overseas spending are at 1.1 mile per 1 RM.

I spend 1/2 my time in singapore.

1) Will you recommend using this card for all uses in Singapore, to get the miles?
Seems very attractive, despite the 2.25% (1% mastercard charge, 1.25% bank currency conversion charges).

another consideration is that I need to clock RM 45k a year to get waiver (else RM 625 per year), and I doubt I can spend that much locally in Malaysia in a year.

2) Buying MAS ticket from Singapore to Europe, in SGD.
I assume that this will be considered local (malaysia) charges? without the 1.1 miles per RM1?

Thank you in advance
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will you consider Ambank World Master?

reason being:
1. free annual fee (wins)
2. low forex charge (only 1% admin fee) (wins)
3. 5x points for all overseas expenses (not included for online)
4. 5,000points for 1,000 airmiles (cathay, mas, singaporeair). this converts to 1RM to 1airmiles (its just losing that 0.1mile per RM)


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post May 28 2017, 02:11 AM

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QUOTE(Tsting @ May 27 2017, 01:14 PM)
HSBC
Another reason for the hsbc travel MC was the 12x loungekey per year.
already have existing relationship with bank, and thus will probably be getting this card.

Hence will like to seek feedback on using that overseas (Singapore), just to fulfill the RM 45k spending, along with points.
Is it necessary a bad/dumb thing?
Ambank:
Thanks Proxmator.

Very Interesting indeed.
I was just looking at the ambank visa signature.
Visa as to complement the hsbc travel MC.

I didn't realize that the ambank wm was 1% foreign surcharge. Visa infinite alot higher
very attractive indeed.
I will probably apply for this card as well, at the very least just for the limited lounge access, and attractive foreign exchange surcharge.
Maybe both? if they will let me.
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AFAIK, ambank WM and VI both has unlimited lounge access. that is a big win over HSBC if you consider that...
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QUOTE(Tsting @ May 28 2017, 09:10 PM)
Agree ambank very attractive.
No. of countries seems a little more restricted, but very good complement to HSBC.
Thanks ProxMatoR!
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oh ya, it is not with priority pass, it is just plaza premium lounge.... oops... hahaha

you have established relationship with hsbc.... else if speaking of priority pass, I can think of UOB PBVI, just 6x per year tho. annual fee waived. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Tsting @ Jun 15 2017, 01:19 PM)
Sorry I have been trying to find info on the citibank Sgd 0.5% charges.
Can someone kindly point me in the right direction?

Ty
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That was based on my transaction record. It was online AA booking in SGD (flight from SIN).
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post Jun 27 2017, 10:32 PM

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recommended to use foreign currency.

Last year, oversea hotel accidentally charged me at MYR (eventhough I told them to charge in foreign currency, but it was offline transaction. Another person updated the transaction by selecting MYR).

That created additional charges by MY citibank towards me.

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Jun 29 2017, 06:01 PM)
google "dynamic currency conversion"

one of the 'con' that many people are still not aware of
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Ah! Yes! DCC!

QUOTE(unfished @ Jul 2 2017, 02:57 PM)
Dear sifus, im planning to subscribe an online journal with CC priced at USD 149. Currently i have MBB AMex and PB Quantum card. Which card would give me the best rate for the transaction ? Thank you.
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I will recommend MB2C AMEX, 5x points, 2.5% conversion rate. USD149 is not big amount, that additional 0.xx% on forex rate won't kill you, if you not mind. and btw, I think the weekend CB is not applicable for online purchase. sifus out there correct me if I'm wrong.

QUOTE(wjleong15 @ Jul 2 2017, 05:10 PM)
basically non-pbe online payment considered as online transaction and eligible 5% cb for quantum master
quantum visa no cash back for online transaction
amex 2.5% additional charges is pain compare to 1% visa/master
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no, AMEX is 2.5% straight, no additional charges. VISA / MASTER 1% is just the admin fee. there is another 1.5% or +/- for forex rate. hope this clarifies.
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post Jul 13 2017, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(gommm @ Jul 6 2017, 09:40 PM)
50% of my credit card transactions are in Euro and 30% in JPY.

My experience so far is that roughly 60% of the times maybank amex reserve is lower than maybank visa infinite, I'm not sure why though...

I'm currently applying for a Ambank WMC which would be useful for non online transactions outside of Malaysia (almost the same amount of miles as maybank 2 premier but lower exchange rate)...

Even with the exchange fee, it's still a better deal to use my malaysia cc than a credit card in euros considering the amount of miles I get.
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what do you mean by lower? how much lower comparing % to %? blink.gif


QUOTE(pisang @ Jul 7 2017, 07:38 AM)
thanks..

i need some help here.
below are the detail
Trans date:3rd July- exchange rate (without admin fee) is 0.038099
posting date:6th july- exchange rate( without admin fee) is 0.037979
swipe Amount is 7410 Yen. Actual billed amount in RM is 284.37

Taking the posting date exchange rate + 1% admin fee AMbank CC:- RM286.34, which is more than the billed amount of RM284.37

so, did i make mistake on the calculation?
if not, then the admin fee is probably less than 1 %.
pls help.. thanks ya.
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just to confirm, is your card WMC?

I don't know where you get the exchange rate.... but from my checking, it is RM284.24 at 6/7 transaction date

for transaction exchange rate for mastercard: https://www.mastercard.us/en-us/consumers/g...t-currency.html

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post Jul 15 2017, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(gommm @ Jul 15 2017, 04:41 PM)
The visa infinite is often around 2.5% higher than the exchange rate I can see on xe and the Amex is often around 2.2% higher than the exchange rate from xe.com...

There's variance, but from what I can see, usually amex tends to have a slightly lower surcharge when paying in Euros.
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for VISA, please use https://usa.visa.com/support/consumer/trave...alculator.html/

for MASTERCARD, please use https://www.mastercard.us/en-us/consumers/g...t-currency.html

VISA and MASTERCARD uses their own rate, which usually slightly differs from xe.com.

xe.com is just general exchange rate for everyone to refer, but won't be the final reference rate. final reference rate shall refer to banks or money exchanger.

btw, weird that your VI rate is higher than AMEX rate.. others reported here looks like the other way round of your rate... hahaha..... blink.gif

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post Jul 18 2017, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(jordanseow @ Jul 18 2017, 10:37 PM)
Hi anyone can recommend the best credit card that spend in overseas ? Looking for no fx mark up credit card . Not looking for rebates ya .
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Seriously? Not taking effort to read through eh?

There is a list in between the discussion updated from time to time..... Why not take some effort to view through?


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