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ProxMatoR
post Jul 27 2017, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(Tsting @ Jul 20 2017, 10:09 PM)
Noob Question.

Did a transaction last week, on a world master card.

Using https://www.mastercard.us/en-us/consumers/g...t-currency.html

IF I set the bank fees to 1.9%, it will match the cost of item and what is shown on my statement.

Does this already include the 1% foreign exchange charge by mastercard?
So it is 1% + 0.9% bank charge?

Seems decent enough? (Not as good as ambank WMC i know)
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Basically 1% is typical admin charges by bank. then, there is another bank forex rate charge, which varies from bank to bank... can be 0.5% to 1.5%...
So, usually we don't just add up like that, because that forex charge also included that 1% admin charge, but that doesn't differ much by direct adding (e.g. 1+1.5=2.5)


QUOTE(pisang @ Jul 21 2017, 05:47 PM)
i think we take the
online mastercard rate+ bank charges= amount shown in statement.
in your case, the bank charges is 1.9%.

Pls correct me if i'm wrong.
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usually mastercard/visa rate is just the base rate.. we need to add admin fee/charge, then forex charge of the bank... so yeah, you are right, bank charges in this case is 1.9... and assuming it is 1% admin fee + 0.9% forex charge...

QUOTE(KeSToN @ Jul 22 2017, 06:37 PM)
hmmm
i made a transaction on 19 July for USD $ 50.39 on aliexpress using CIMB CR MC
today i check cimb clicks -> 21-Jul-2017 19-Jul-2017 WWW.ALIEXPRESS.COM LONDON GB RM220.27

21 july is the posting date
19 july is the transaction date

https://www.mastercard.us/en-us/consumers/g...t-currency.html
using the above website

for transaction date of july 19, bank fee of 2% USD50.39 = RM220.27 (exact amount charged to my cc)

if i use July 21 posting date,
bank fee of 2% amounts to RM220.50
bank fee of 1.89% amounts to RM220.26
bank fee of 1.90% amounts to RM220.28
cant get the exact amount of 220.27

did i get the calculations right?
so the calculation should be based on the posting or transaction date?

edit : typo
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yeah, usually there is minor ups and downs, few cents diff based on my experience (most of the time is lower). we shall follow posting date, as that is the date where bank officially post this transaction..

QUOTE(francistcc @ Jul 26 2017, 07:16 PM)
Recently just found out bank rakyat cc don't have any admin or oversea charge for oversea transaction.
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which card?

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QUOTE(pisang @ Jul 27 2017, 09:23 AM)
the best way to check is to perform the actual transaction. i remembered last time when i called HLB to ask about the charges, i was told 'no admin charge, no whatsoever additional charge'.
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HLB? What card is it? Woots woots
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post Aug 24 2017, 01:21 AM

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QUOTE(SzeMeng76 @ Aug 12 2017, 04:00 PM)
Recently noticed bank fee below: (for paying foreign currency)

UOB : 2.3%
SCB : 2.2%
PBB : 0.9%
CIMB : 2.1%
Ambank : 1%
Citibank : 1%
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admin fee or forex rate charge? or both together?? hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif

QUOTE(hling510 @ Aug 22 2017, 01:53 PM)
Transaction Type: Maybank2 Amex
Transaction Date: 20/8/2017
Posting Date: 21/8/2017
Transaction amount: SGD282
Amount charged: RM910.86
Bank rate: 3.23
Oanda rate: 3.1511
Difference: 2.5%

Correct me if my calculation wrong
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looked right. same as others, AMEX 2.5% thumbup.gif
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post Aug 24 2017, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(haru20 @ Aug 24 2017, 11:01 AM)
I have a question on foreign transaction, i bought an item from UK at 100 pounds on monday, i sign on the transaction using my credit card with the choice of transacting in foreign currency rather than setting direct conversion to MYR on the day itself.

Subsequent to that i return the item(Within the stipulated period), hence a full refund of 100 pound will be refunded to my credit card.

As what i check my statement on monday i have lock on with a expense of RM565, however 3 days upon my return of my item, i got a refund amount of RM550.

Would like to clarified shouldnt the refund amount be net off at RM565? As its the same transacted item/merchant/amount in foreign currency?

Your experience and advice is much appreciated. Thank you.
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Nope. It will register as a brand new transaction based on the transaction date & posting date. Thus, the forex rate will be different.
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post Aug 24 2017, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(haru20 @ Aug 24 2017, 11:15 AM)
Yup aware its due to foreign translation different between both days, but shouldn't it be nett off the same, rather than there will be lost or gain at my side if the FOREX rate weaken or strengthen?

If so, i can arbitrage on foreign translation if i refund it at the right time, given our fluctuation of FOREX rate?
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We are looking at foreign currency 100£, not MYR. MYR is after conversion, so bank will not look at it.
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post Aug 31 2017, 01:13 AM

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QUOTE(pisang @ Aug 27 2017, 08:51 PM)
thanks for sharing.

however the info on first page shows HLB charge 1%.
different CC from HongLeong give different rates?
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1% admin + 1% forex charge
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post Sep 10 2017, 11:23 PM

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latest updates on citibank forex...

recently made NTD transaction online, and the forex charge is just ~1.4%.

So, most likely is 1% admin fee + 0.4% forex charge
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post Oct 11 2017, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(systaksis @ Sep 21 2017, 12:20 AM)
At 1st I tot MBB master /visa is the lowest bank fee I mean admin fee and forex rate charger , but look like maybe not...
I which will be lowest now...
comparing cash when you go travel I recall some time card will give you lower rate cause cc is base on the day where you posted rate.... and cash usually more early day you exchange at money change usually before your travel date.
But if goble currency let put to fix.. cash should be always lower?
Or card currency give better rate?
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There is no exact answer for this. Forex fluctuates everyday, so it can be either side. That is why people looking for cards that has lower charges, for instance ambank WMC, just 1% admin fee and still earn 5x points.

But recently seems like Citibank and some other banks is looking into some different way to reduce the charges.

QUOTE(hling510 @ Sep 22 2017, 09:55 AM)
It is sure that no bank charges or forex charges if pay by HLB Essential using PayPal follow my few times experience. (never call bank to verify)

Transaction Type: HLB Essential
Transaction Date: 20/9/2017
Posting Date: 21/9/2017
Transaction amount: USD177.30
Amount charged: RM743.70
VISA rate: 4.194581
bank rate: 4.19458545
Difference: 0%
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This is interesting....
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post Nov 29 2017, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(DarReNz @ Nov 27 2017, 06:01 AM)
since CIMB gives a difference of 0% and a more favourable rate than Visa, should go with CIMB  smile.gif
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yeah, I second that...

QUOTE(neobie @ Nov 27 2017, 11:34 PM)
Anyone heard of Hong Leong I'm card?
It stated "NO MARK-UP ON OVERSEAS TRANSACTIONS", does it mean no bank fee for oversea transaction?
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yeah, basically it is just a card. no other benefit beside the one you just mentioned. lol
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post Dec 5 2017, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(neobie @ Nov 29 2017, 11:59 AM)
I think it is good enough. Better than some cashback of 1% but with bank fee of 2% right?
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I think it depends on your usage. justify from there... if you always use overseas, might as well go get a good card that benefits u for overseas transaction, which can be complete with high rewards points.

for those with cashback usually is not limited to any transaction. bank fee is usually on forex. so is different topic ady
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QUOTE(deeplyheartbroken @ Dec 27 2017, 12:47 AM)
Is Ambank WMC still charge the lowest at 1% ?
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Yes, it is. basically it only charge admin fee, no forex charge.

QUOTE(neobie @ Dec 29 2017, 07:54 PM)
Ambank VISA Infinite:

USD 134.22
MYR 560.63
Transaction date: 30/11/2017
Posting date: 3/12/2017
Diff: 2.01%
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out of curiosity, why you no use ambank WMC? hahaha... since you have VI, should got WMC too right? rclxm9.gif
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post Feb 6 2018, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Jan 23 2018, 09:46 AM)
It's based on the rate on Visa's website as at the posting date. For Visa, Maybank would add 2.26% I think (not 2.5%).
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QUOTE(altism @ Jan 24 2018, 05:02 PM)
I'm wondering if the bank publishes their charge rates instead of us trying to do the math ourselves? 1%, 1.25%, etc.
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usually is 1% + 1.5%, and it is step-by-step charges: admin fee + forex charge, so it will be total 2.515%

some banks will clearly indicate in their T&C on forex rate, like MBB, but some bank you can call them to get exact rate.

QUOTE(matrix88 @ Jan 9 2018, 05:50 PM)
so, using credit card is cheaper than using cash,  or cash is cheaper. taking into account money changer loss, and credit card forex charges?

Which one cheaper????
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most of the time cash is cheaper. but there is chances you changed your cash at higher rate, and forex is cheaper when you are travelling. so, hard to say.

QUOTE(akib_mullen @ Jan 17 2018, 07:40 AM)
Where can i check the forex rate and the charge if we using cc to purchase in other currency?
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QUOTE(cybpsych @ Jan 17 2018, 07:41 AM)
ask here?
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QUOTE(akib_mullen @ Jan 17 2018, 08:01 AM)
Alright, thanks
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VISA and MASTERCARD has their own website to check. check with the posting date. so far, I still don't know where to find AMEX link. sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif

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QUOTE(jiaen0509 @ Mar 15 2018, 07:46 PM)
Can anyone suggest the best Credit Card to spend oversea? Or better change at Money Changer?
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hard to say. forex varies from time to time. you may purchase at expensive rate at money changer before you travel, and forex drop when u sign with CC.... haha.... if you are looking for lowest charges for spending overseas, AmB WMC would be best, no forex charge, only admin fee... and RM1 earns 1airmile points (asiamile, enrich, krisflyer)


QUOTE(Leroi2x @ Mar 22 2018, 10:17 PM)
is the best option is mbb 2 card amex , which got 5% weekend , so it may cover the admin fee and still get cb from that ? am i understand corret?
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5% is limited to RM50 only (which means max spending RM1000 for 5%CB).


QUOTE(wokies @ Apr 1 2018, 06:55 PM)
Would like to know how can you see the visa exchange rate..when i go to visa website need to input bank fee..if using Hongleong..it is 1%?

need someone help me on calculation..

Transaction Type        Hongleong debit visa
Transaction Date        31/3/2018
Transaction amount      USD 45.47
Amount charged            RM 183.33

so 183.33/45.47 : 4.031..so high?

another 1..
transaction type :paypal using hongleong debit visa
transaction date 30/3/18
transaction amount: 1.40usd
amount charged :myr 5.54

so 5.54/1.40 :3.957

are my calculation correct?
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you would need to look at posting date. 1% is bank admin fee, there is another forex charge. you can put 0% to get the exact VISA charge rate, then figure out forex charge %
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QUOTE(wokies @ Apr 2 2018, 12:43 PM)
okay..for example

transaction type :paypal using hongleong debit visa
transaction date 30/3/18
posted date        30/3/18
visa rate @0% : 3.871113
transaction amount: 1.40usd
amount charged :myr 5.54

5.54/1.40 = 3.95714

3.95714 - 3.871113 = 0.0860/3.95714 x 100 = 2.174% charge.

i thought maximum would be 2%?..1 % bank + 1% visa charge?
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nope. not maximum 2%. 1% admin fee is typical. but forex charge is depending on bank. at your this case, it is about 1.16%

QUOTE(richardss @ Apr 4 2018, 03:38 PM)
Transaction Type: Ambank Visa Infinite
Transaction Date: 2/3/2018
Posting Date: 5/3/2018
Transaction amount: SGD 10
Amount charged: RM 30.42
Visa rate: 2.97
Bank rate: 3.42
Difference: 2.2%

Thinking to apply Ambank WMC now!
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haha, don't need think, just go for it rclxm9.gif


QUOTE(wokies @ Apr 5 2018, 09:36 AM)
transaction type : cimb bank mastercard debit
transaction date : 2 april 2018
posting date      : 4 april 2018
transaction amount : 1.84 usd
amount charge    : rm7.25
mastercard rate : 3.87 (1 USD = 3.86894)
bank rate          : 3.94
difference          :1.781%

mastercard rate better than visa ( cimb vs HLB)
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yeah, master card has been better rate compared to visa to attract more user...

QUOTE(laymank @ Apr 5 2018, 09:49 AM)
It is said that the latest BigPay card offers the best Exchange rate.
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is it? anyone tried before? hmm.gif
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post May 15 2018, 01:21 AM

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QUOTE(ryan18 @ May 6 2018, 04:29 PM)
From the posting on their fb it seems to be near to xe.com rate
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QUOTE(laymank @ May 7 2018, 08:38 AM)
I have.
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QUOTE(apowerfulskill @ May 7 2018, 08:10 PM)
So have I. It's pretty good for now.
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BIGpay is the airasia BIG prepaid master card?

I guess the word PREPAID explains that.... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(ryan18 @ May 15 2018, 09:30 AM)
This is the new card called bigpay not the old airasia big prepaid MasterCard
https://www.bigpayme.com/#
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yup, I'm aware of it. but is still, a prepaid card... haha icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(#Victor @ May 16 2018, 05:45 PM)
How much does AmBank charge for foreign currency using AmBank BonusLink Card? The VISA exchange rate is based on transaction date or posting date?
Transaction Date05 MAY 2018
Posting Date07 MAY 2018
Foreign AmountTWD 1208.00
AmountRM163.41
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posting date
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post May 25 2018, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(shinjie93 @ May 25 2018, 02:23 PM)
16 May 2018 1 USD = 3.9676 | 11.5 = 45.6278
19 May 2018 1 USD = 3.9726 | 11.5 = 45.6849
BigPay
Transaction Date 16-05-18
Posting Date 19-05-18
Value MYR 45.63
USD value USD 11.5
Difference with Transaction Date :  MYR 0.0022  0.0048%
Difference with Posting Date  : MYR -0.0549 -0.1201%

Cimb Kwik
Transaction Date 16-05-18
Posting Date 19-05-18
Value MYR 46.09
USD value USD 11.5
Difference with Transaction Date :  MYR 0.4622  1.0129%
Difference with Posting Date  : MYR 0.4051 0.8868%

Maybank Debit Visa
Transaction Date 16-05-18
Posting Date 19-05-18
Value MYR 46.27
USD value USD 11.5
Difference with Transaction Date :  MYR 0.6422  1.4074%
Difference with Posting Date  : MYR 0.5851 1.2808%
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these are all debit card. this topic is for credit card
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QUOTE(btan @ Jun 25 2018, 07:25 PM)
which credit card is the best rate and rebate for spending in foreign currency?
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ambank WMC only has 1% admin fee, and gets 5x points.
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QUOTE(chidori @ Jul 27 2018, 07:03 AM)
I have did a comparison before between ambank VI and WMC and WMC foreign exchange rate was quite a bit better. This was amost 3 years ago and I am not sure currently if WMC is still the best. It would be nice to know latest rates too  : )
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its still the same, just 1% thumbsup.gif

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