I'd suggest the 3G version if you're into flashing/upgrading your ROMs to custom ones like Overcome, etc. There's very little development done on the Wifi-version. In fact, even the Gingerbread firmware for the wifi-version is not available (yet or not, I won't speculate!)

If it's for your wife, and some wives hate it when you tinker with the stock version... then by all means, the wifi version. But do note, it's a slower processor and it has a much, much slower GPU compared to the 3G version)

Yes, it's best to "restock" back to Froyo... Never install a Froyo-based Overcome ROM/Kernel to a Gingerbread setup via CWM or vice-versa Use Odin, and just follow the guide. There's a reason I took pains to guide users step-by-step, hoping to guide them correctly as well as hoping they'll learn from the process. If you rush through it... or just skip to the good parts, you'll lose the benefits of learning from the experience.

Please find attached the Overcome 1.64 installation guide. Please follow it exactly, step by step and don't rush. Start with the portion "Getting The Overcome Files" on Page 3 and follow it from there. Ignore everything before that. The links are still active as I've just checked MU links (especially the megaupload ones) for JMK-stock-safe.zip and Overcome_v1.6.4_Full.zip are still there and active.

That's how I switch between back to Froyo from 2.x to test the Froyo->Overcome 2.x series to see if there's any issues.

Here's a couple of good advice:

1) Keep the 2 stock-safe files (JMK-stock-safe.zip/GB-stock-safe_V2.zip) in your arsenal always, they're created as a tool kit, with all the tools/drivers and a set of firmware to get you out of most situation, including soft-bricking. The only thing they've not been able to help is a hard-brick (where the Tab is black-screened and unresponsive to inputs at all....

2) Whenever you've got a problem with the Overcome ROMs/Kernels, best to restock according to the guide. Whenever possible, restock to a newer version rather than upgrade/use the updater. The guide also guides you through the backup/restore process, so unless you're really press for time... it's always better to re-stock with a full version. Think of it like Upgrading Windows vs Doing a Full-formal install of Windows. The former would usually have teething problems, while the latter would always start you off with a fresh clean system (cleared of all the gunk accumulated before...)

The current kernel has it's flaws, but the updater compounds it with a "not-so-clean" update process. Am working with AB86 to fix the issues now. He just got off the plane from Vegas.... so we'll be working on the kernel now.

If you're on Overcome 2.0.0 Gold... try using koxudaxi's kernel. It's a great kernel and should alleviate most of the lags some of you are experiencing. I'm using it now!

Gasp!!! I know! ;-)

This post has been edited by thepittbull: Jun 7 2011, 09:00 PM


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I was already on ext4 with Overcome ROM/Kernel Gold. After that just flashed the koxudaxi kernel...

Am using koxudaxi kernel 3.0.6 for now, super fast and stable. Not updating to 3.0.7 as I'm waiting for the latest kernel from AB86...

Check on XDA. He provides on for use with CWM.

Sounds nice. Will try to make it there... :-)

Hey Uncle Benny...

Is the meetup still on?

tpb?

Hey mate...

Just curious, was your Gingerbread build stock (as in via Kies) or the one from XDA by Chainfire? Curious as SOclick shouldn't work on the Italian build.

Was wondering...

Hi Uncle Benny...

Sorry I couldn't make it to the meetup. By the time I saw your confirmation it was already 5ish... :-(

Next time yeah?

Testing the RC candidate for OC 2.0.1. Will still see if the LYN forum bug is there. The TOE forums also uses phpBB, which I think is the only forum board affected.

This post has been edited by thepittbull: Jun 12 2011, 10:35 AM

My mistake. Noted it on phpBB and invision powered boards.

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Added on June 12, 2011, 8:28 pmAhha... so it's a pure stock GB, not the rooted one Chainfire has provided. Anyway, if you're planning to get to Overcome, there's the official guide to flashing Overcome ROMs/Kernels on TeamOvercome.net. HOWEVER, I'd suggest you wait. I'm currently running the final tests on 3.0.1 release candidates, and it's looking good. Apart from some "theme" errors, which AB86 is correcting now, it should be ready to go. Tentatively, we're hoping to launch it tomorrow night. (Planned ETA, if no bugs, should be around 8-9pm tomoro)

Suggest you go over to TeamOvercome.net to grab the 001-GB-stock-safe_v2.zip package now, while the site is running fast, compared to tomorrow where the downloading crush should come. It's a good package to keep in your arsenal, so that whenever you encounter any problems, you can easily "restock" back to a working stock condition. Give you an example, with the current Honeycomb (Alpha 2.5) by spacemoose1: there seems to be a problem with GB bootloaders, and users were recommended to restock back to Froyo, using the Overcome created Froyo stock-safe package (JMK-stock-safe.zip) which you can get here: http://www.multiupload.com/U88JTJ4P10

These two stock safe packages should be in every Tab enthusiasts' arsenal of tools... at least the Window users' arsenals...

This post has been edited by thepittbull: Jun 12 2011, 08:28 PM

Well, did you restock according to the guide before you installed Overcome Gold?

Anyway, I'll admit the current kernel within the Gold ROM isn't the best we've done so far... there were some lags, but running the new build's kernel on it worked wonders. For the moment you can run koxudaxi's kernels though. It's a drop in CWM flash away.

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Added on June 12, 2011, 11:14 pmFor the moment, I'll say hang on. We'll probably release the Overcome 3.0.1 tomoro or the day after. It'll save you some time to just flash that one from stock.

This post has been edited by thepittbull: Jun 12 2011, 11:14 PM

If you're on Overcome. There's a tips/tweaks page on TOE. Try applying the AngryGPS fix.

Well there's a very detailed, step-by-step how to on TeamOvercome.net. If you follow the steps, carefully and patiently, not skipping over anything, you should be fine.

Errr... I have to download all of them too. I download not only the final versions, but the test builds, when doing the testing. When the final one is locked down and baked by AB86, I'll have to download them too.

As to the difference in between builds, well there's a changelog on TOE site, detailing the changes, while anyone else would surely be able to tell the difference between a "Themed" and an "Unthemed" (which to everyone means that this version looks exactly like the stock Samsung-Gingerbread) version. I've even written about it on the installation guide. To be honest, of the 25K full ROM downloaders, this is the first time I've heard anyone make an issue of this. But I'll pass your request along to AB86 for his thoughts.

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Added on June 13, 2011, 9:50 amWell, I'm sorry to hear. Seems something is really wrong with your Tab, if even after a "restock" process, it still is unstable like this. I use both builds, together with eBuddy, Fring and Trillian as well, and I've never had such an unstable system like you described. Granted the Gold version has some lags, but that's the extent of it, as I used it as my daily driver as well. Anyway, I'd need more details than that to really help you... like your install process, your apps combo, did you install other mods, what overclocking settings are you using (if any, and if so, what software is being used to control the process)

Well, there's a few options for you:

1) Go back to stock Gingerbread and see, if the problem still persist.
2) Try using koxudaxi's kernel.
3) Hang on for a day or so more, as we're getting ready to release 3.0.1 either tonight or tomorrow. See if it solves your problems.
4) Return back to Froyo. If even on Overcome 1.4x/1.6x you still get those "hangs" or crashes like that, then something could be wrong with your hardware then, or the apps combination.

This post has been edited by thepittbull: Jun 13 2011, 09:53 AM

But if you're gingerbreak, be careful, using stagefright will break some video playback with the default player. Some have complained of not getting mp3 user art too. For all intents and purposes, enabling stagefight would not help day to day performance. That's why we're disabling them in 3.0.1.

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Added on June 14, 2011, 6:49 pmThe gingerbread bootloaders are signed, but they're unlocked for custom kernels. The app was used for the older signed Froyo bootloaders which prevented flashing other stuffs. Do not patch gingerbread bootloaders.

This post has been edited by thepittbull: Jun 14 2011, 06:49 PM

Sorry, 2.0.1

For some reason, I'm in kernel edit mode, but still kelam kabut today, even that is wrong!

Lol edan... You beat me to the punch!

Yup guys, Overcome 2.0.1 Hermes is live...

Have fun... it's much better now. Everything you've come to expect from Overcome is hopefully here now

tpb

Yes

OK... now we have the 3 scenarios:

1) If you restock according to your system, which is our recommended procedure for all installation of Overcome, it WILL wipe out your internal SD. This is akin to Reformating your PC and reinstalling Windows from scratch. Clean, minty fresh system.

2) The new No-wipe install, this is akin to wiping your Windows folder only, but installing it with a fresher build of windows (I know, not the best analogy, but work with me). It's still understandable that people want an easier way, instead of going through the hassle of backing and restoring. We get that. So we do it this way, with the tacit explanation that, if you choose to update, and somethings go wrong, you should do option 1 above.

Now we come to item...

3: If you do what some smart alec will tell you, that a CWM factory wipe will wipe your internal SD, then they're joshing with you big time. And this is probably what you've been doing.

A CWM factory wipe only wipes the system data only but it does not wipe the internal SD! No CWM has ever wiped the internal or external SD, except if you chose to use the format commands (which I don't recommend, if you're going to do that... might as well restock right? Cleaner!) This is akin to deleting your Windows Folder and Program Files folder, only but your other folders are in there. We've never recommended this process, and if you noticed, the Team Overcome will NEVER EVER recommend this process. Why? There's a lot of gunk still left behind. If you don't believe me, ok... compare what you see with the "My Files" and say something like "ES File Explorer" or my favourite "File Manager"... there's a lot of hidden folders and not so hidden folders like your TitaniumBackup (which is the reason in your case you still "see" the apps it in the Titanium app and not in a CWM-wiped setup) These folders are not wiped. There's a reason why it gunks up so many system this last method.

At least with a no-wipe/updater, we're prepared for problems! With the CWM Factory-wipe alone, there's issues. Trust me, we face these problems from Overcome users all the time. You won't believe how overflowing my PM box is on XDA, and how many times the team would always re-iterate, did you restock according to the guide? If you're going to wipe anyway, why don't spend an extra 5-10 mins fire Odin... and doing it, and have the clean system you ask for anyway.

Anyway, if you do step 1, I'll guarantee you the Wizard would come up all the time.

Before you asks us, why we don't do a CWM Factory reset... that wipes the internal SD, well that's just not the way CWM works. We can mod it, but to change it too far away from it's roots, would destroy a lot of usage guidance that's been built around CWM, like the knowledge that a CWM factory wipe will never wipe internal SD. Plus it's not "our" program anyway. It's just how it's done.

So, sometimes people ask us to change processes without understanding the thought processes that goes through behind it. We're not supporting one user alone. If that's the case, it's easy. In the less 24 hours since Hermes was released, 9,000 wipe installs were downloaded, and 12,000 nowipe was downloaded, with varying responses. Guess we actually care what we did with the Wizard? Which is nothing really... you just followed bad advice.

When in doubt, read what's written in TeamOvercome.net regarding Overcome, yeah?

I totally understand your position Uncle Benny. You're the sifu here mah, and people look up to you. There's also a second reason, people like to be spoonfed. Third reason, despite all of that, they still gets screwed by themselves by not listening.

I give you an example, just happened today, you've given a certain person an advice, and it's based on your experience, to basically "restock" with roto-JME, but that person reads that JMI is newer and decided to flash that instead and got himself into a bootloop. Here's the reason why that happens. That JME advice works and the JMI does not, why? The JMI build doesn't include the necessary movinand.mst, that helps wipes system and gets it up running. In the end, what did he do? Download stock from Samfirmware, which we all know is just basically stock. Not the best move, but luckily it didn't brick totally.

Basically the Overcome Stock-safe packages, were based on my experience listening to you ask people to use the roto-JME package. It's a golden advice, we chose to make it an complete package, with all the tools, drivers, pit files all inside one Zip file. But what do people? They choose to DIY lah, listen to other dumb advice la. When end up, waste time only... have to trouble-shoot la, download another 200mb+ file la. Panic la.

Sigh... dunno lah. What else can we do yeah?

But keep your spirits up Uncle Benny, you're a good guy who's helped so many people, myself included!

It's a context triggered event. However, none of the devs that I'm talking to here, know which particular "events" trigger it. All they know it only appears on first boot event.

If the setup wizard is really what you're after, may I ask what's the point? Everything's configurable in settings anyway. It basically asks Default Locale (language) Wifi settings, Gmail if you have one (Hint for multiple gmail account holders: the first gmail account you set up is your default gmail account on the tab) and whether you Google allow backup of your data/apps (I usually say no! Perf and data hog!), that's it... so, why the fascination with that?

You're contradicting yourself: ...without flashing the the hermez[I](??) wipe again. then ... i am just interested in wiping everything like in default state.

Seriously, if you want a clean wipe, restock using Stock-safe (that's your choice, Froyo stock safe for OC1.4x/1.6x, GB stock safe V3 for Overcome 2.0 and above, it doesn't matter really to me...) is your best best. I won't recommend any other way (especially if you're going to wipe anyway). Since to be honest, the worst part or time-consuming part about all of this, about this is the back-up of data/restore of it anyway, which you'll do with a wipe anyway.

If you want really, really default, Get the latest stock DX 2.3.3 version from samfirmware, but then I won't follow that last piece myself...

It's an important milestone, one I'm proud to see, buuuut it's an alpha build. I've tried it for a few hours yesterday. It's good to try, if you want a taste of HC on your tab. But it's no daily driver. 3G/Phone/Telephony Messaging, all not there yet.

Just in case you think we're biased, here's the deal: AB86's working with SSSerpentine to dev some simple Froyo kernels for them, and I've been asked to help them write their guides. So we do know each other quite well, and are friendly with each other.