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 Flat Concrete Roof Leaking, Need advise/solution

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sn4
post Feb 18 2012, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Feb 18 2012, 09:18 AM)
The question is also, how long will it long under outdoor conditions?
The same job can be done using sealant or flexible coatings but they don't last.
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Based on what been told to me by the applicator(sorry if its not correct) it can last 10-15yrs...we are talking about the same material that has been used on big project, bridge, tunnel etc
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post Feb 18 2012, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(sn4 @ Feb 18 2012, 01:23 PM)
Based on what been told to me by the applicator(sorry if its not correct) it can last 10-15yrs...we are talking about the same material that has been used on big project, bridge, tunnel etc
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The question is still whether it can take all the expansion and contraction(thermal movement) due to weather.

Here's something I found:

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What to Avoid

Avoid installing gels in expansion joints or cracks that are subject to movement. Gels form a solid material with little or no cellular structure to disperse tension under compression. This tension can split the gel and damage the seal.


Source: http://www.waterworld.com/index/display/ar...filtration.html

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skng03
post Feb 18 2012, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(sn4 @ Feb 18 2012, 09:46 AM)
for flat roof leaking why dont u try PU Grouting smile.gif

most of the leaking on construction project using this method smile.gif, ..i'm not a supplier by the way.

http://www.patentroofing.com.sg/PU_grouting.htm
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just use this method to settle the swimming pool leaking problem nod.gif
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QUOTE(Jo_da48 @ Feb 18 2012, 11:09 AM)
that so many way or suggest,just that which is realiable or need redo after few years???
If I have choice I will use Roof tiles instead of Concreate roof sad.gif
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solve/ stop the water with grouting first lar, it may come back later but u have no choice now... tongue.gif


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post Feb 18 2012, 01:47 PM

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solve/ stop the water with grouting first lar, it may come back later but u have no choice now...


That's true, it's not as if you have other choices though it may not be 100%.

How much does it cost?
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post Feb 18 2012, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Feb 18 2012, 09:47 AM)
That's true, it's not as if you have other choices though it may not be 100%.

How much does it cost?
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the cost depend on how many packers/point u need to use, i think the rate now around rm80-150 per point.. , u can ask them to put less first, then see if it still leak or not smile.gif

my 2 posen

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post Feb 18 2012, 02:48 PM

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Why don't you try to put metal roof right on top of the slab with a little bit inclination for water to flow down. Maybe it will work if no water come in contact directly with the slab.

The keyword here is "no water should touch my flat concrete roof" .
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post Feb 18 2012, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(digoil @ Feb 18 2012, 02:48 PM)
Why don't you try to put metal roof right on top of the slab with a little bit inclination for water to flow down. Maybe it will work if no water come in contact directly with the slab.

The keyword here is "no water should touch my flat concrete roof" .
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Yes, this is the best solution and it is permanent. Have to spend more though.
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post Feb 20 2012, 11:04 AM

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my house flat concrete roof leak after 4 months.i will try to ask the contractor to use the pu grouting.just hope it can be solve once and for all.concrete roof is sure a pain in the s
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post Feb 20 2012, 11:59 AM

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dig up 1 - 2 inch concrete, reapply proofing. Else sun may just kill it on surface
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post Feb 20 2012, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(noien @ Feb 20 2012, 11:04 AM)
my house flat concrete roof leak after 4 months.i will try to ask the contractor to use the pu grouting.just hope it can be solve once and for all.concrete roof is sure a pain in the s
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If it is for bathroom I'm sure it will work as I have tried. For outdoor, I don't think it is 100%.
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post Feb 20 2012, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(noien @ Feb 20 2012, 11:04 AM)
my house flat concrete roof leak after 4 months.i will try to ask the contractor to use the pu grouting.just hope it can be solve once and for all.concrete roof is sure a pain in the s
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most of the flat roof leakage at house extension will occur at the cold joint with the existing structure, due to minor settlement of the new structure built by the reno contractor, without proper footing/ foundation...
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post Feb 20 2012, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Feb 20 2012, 02:55 PM)
If it is for bathroom I'm sure it will work as I have tried.  For outdoor, I don't think it is 100%.
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mine is for the newly built extension room

QUOTE(skng03 @ Feb 20 2012, 07:02 PM)
most of the flat roof leakage at house extension will occur at the cold joint with the existing structure, due to minor settlement of the new structure built by the reno contractor, without proper footing/ foundation...
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mine don have proper footing as he said bakau cant enter the earth.so it is ok not to use footing
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post Feb 21 2012, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(noien @ Feb 20 2012, 09:29 PM)
mine is for the newly built extension room

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Can't imagine a room having a concrete slab over a room. Contractor's suggestion?
Isn't it hot?

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post Feb 21 2012, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Feb 21 2012, 11:03 AM)
Can't imagine a room having a concrete slab over a room. Contractor's suggestion?
Isn't it hot?
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yup.quite hot.he say is is cheaper than renovate the whole roof for the house.just use concrete slab instead is cheaper.now the cause of the leaking maybe is becoz of the slight crack on the wall due the earth movement?or maybe due to his skill in foundation


if i ask him to reapply sealer and water proof inside wall and recement it.then use pu grouting.is this the best idea?
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post Feb 21 2012, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(noien @ Feb 21 2012, 11:09 AM)
yup.quite hot.he say is is cheaper than renovate the whole roof for the house.just use concrete slab instead is cheaper.now the cause of the leaking maybe is becoz of the slight crack on the wall due the earth movement?or maybe due to his skill in foundation
if i ask him to reapply sealer and water proof inside wall and recement it.then use pu grouting.is this the best idea?
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If that is the case, my advice is to have metaldeck roofing over - the factory-type roof.
The slab is not wasted as it provides the support for the metal roof.
You need to have insulation for the metaldeck to overcome the noise problem or it would be noisy when it rains.
You not only solve your waterproofing problem, your room would be cooler and more livable.
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post Feb 21 2012, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Feb 21 2012, 11:16 AM)
If that is the case, my advice is to have metaldeck roofing over - the factory-type roof.
The slab is not wasted as it provides the support for the metal roof.
You need to have insulation for the metaldeck to overcome the noise problem or it would be noisy when it rains.
You not only solve your waterproofing problem, your room would be cooler and more livable.
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so now the top layer is
metal deck --> insulation --> concrete slab?

what should i do to have the insulation?
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post Feb 21 2012, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(noien @ Feb 21 2012, 11:21 AM)
so now the top layer is
metal deck --> insulation --> concrete slab?

what should i do to have the insulation?
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You need to have a few steel C purlins on the slab to receive the roofing and lay it with a gradient(few degrees)

steel purlins (4"x2" abt 5 ft spacing) ---> a layer of chicken wire netting---> rockwool insulation ---> 0.48mm metaldeck Zincalume roofing

I don't know how your flat roof joins the existing roof. Any picture?

Get a roofing contractor to give you a quote. Probably a 1-day job.

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post Feb 21 2012, 02:06 PM

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sorry,no pic of it.i din went to have a look b4.will have a look at it this sat as the contractor coming to see the problem.

and thanx for the advice.i hope it could take care of it once and for all


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QUOTE(tehtmc @ Feb 21 2012, 11:33 AM)
You need to have a few steel C purlins on the slab to receive the roofing and lay it with a gradient(few degrees)

steel purlins (4"x2" abt 5 ft spacing) ---> a layer of chicken wire netting---> rockwool insulation ---> 0.48mm metaldeck Zincalume roofing

I don't know how your flat roof joins the existing roof. Any picture?

Get a roofing contractor to give you a quote.  Probably a 1-day job.
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do u have any roofing contractor number for penang?

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post Feb 22 2012, 08:18 AM

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and here is the pic of the existing roof and new concrete slab


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post Feb 22 2012, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(noien @ Feb 22 2012, 08:18 AM)
and here is the pic of the existing roof and new concrete slab
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The 2-3" clearance between the old roof and slab is not enough to have the new metal roofing underneath.
You need to modify the end of the existing roof to do a valley gutter. /\/\
What is the depth of the extension?

No, I don't have contact in Penang.

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Another way to do it, the simplest way:

Forget about purlins and insulation. Lay the metaldeck roofing sheet directly on top of slab, tilt it to fall to back as much as you can (2"-3").
The edge of the roofing sheet below the existing roof eave should be turned up ___]
Roofing sheet to project 1 ft beyond the edge of slab on all three sides.

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