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 Flat Concrete Roof Leaking, Need advise/solution

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tehtmc
post Feb 18 2012, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 18 2012, 11:12 AM)
if builder quality suck, roof can also have lots of problem.
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For protection against rain, I'd say metaldeck roofing is the best because it has less joints.
As far as I know, there is no permanent cure for cracked concrete roof.
Consider doing a layer of metaldecking over it.

Cement roof tiles depend on the overlap between tiles and the roof pitch, whch must be at least 20 degrees. Other factors can also cause leakage - flashings, structure sagging, cracked tiles, etc.

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There is one method of repairing leakage whereby holes are drilled at close intervals on the concrete slab. A liquid is pumped under high pressure into the holes. The liquid finds its way into the pores of the concrete, expands into a foam material and clogs up the pores thus preventing leakage through the slab.

I don't know what material that's called. I believe it is still in the market.
It worked to stop leakage through my bathroom floor slab so that I did not have to hack out all the tiles and redo the waterproofing.

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post Feb 18 2012, 12:49 PM

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[quote=sn4,Feb 18 2012, 12:37 PM]its called PU grouting smile.gif
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OK, polyurethane the foam packing material.
But I'm not sure whether it will work with deep cracks.[
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post Feb 18 2012, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(sn4 @ Feb 18 2012, 12:53 PM)
work fine with our 400mm thick wall here
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What 400mm thick wall?
We are talking about a car porch roof which is under direct sun and rain.
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post Feb 18 2012, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(sn4 @ Feb 18 2012, 01:01 PM)
i'm talking about my wall here at this project, 400mm thick, since u doubt it effectiveness with deep crack smile.gif

your roof slab probably only 150-200mm thick, so no worries
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Car porch roof slabs are typically 100-125mm thick. Wouldn't a thinner slab be more difficult to waterproof than an thicker slab?
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post Feb 18 2012, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(sn4 @ Feb 18 2012, 01:11 PM)
with injection i think its not a concern, the foam will filled up the crack, no matter how deep the crack, its pressurized the chemical and seal all

my 2 cents
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The question is also, how long will it long under outdoor conditions?
The same job can be done using sealant or flexible coatings but they don't last.
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post Feb 18 2012, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(sn4 @ Feb 18 2012, 01:23 PM)
Based on what been told to me by the applicator(sorry if its not correct) it can last 10-15yrs...we are talking about the same material that has been used on big project, bridge, tunnel etc
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The question is still whether it can take all the expansion and contraction(thermal movement) due to weather.

Here's something I found:

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What to Avoid

Avoid installing gels in expansion joints or cracks that are subject to movement. Gels form a solid material with little or no cellular structure to disperse tension under compression. This tension can split the gel and damage the seal.


Source: http://www.waterworld.com/index/display/ar...filtration.html

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post Feb 18 2012, 01:47 PM

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solve/ stop the water with grouting first lar, it may come back later but u have no choice now...


That's true, it's not as if you have other choices though it may not be 100%.

How much does it cost?
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post Feb 18 2012, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(digoil @ Feb 18 2012, 02:48 PM)
Why don't you try to put metal roof right on top of the slab with a little bit inclination for water to flow down. Maybe it will work if no water come in contact directly with the slab.

The keyword here is "no water should touch my flat concrete roof" .
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Yes, this is the best solution and it is permanent. Have to spend more though.
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post Feb 20 2012, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(noien @ Feb 20 2012, 11:04 AM)
my house flat concrete roof leak after 4 months.i will try to ask the contractor to use the pu grouting.just hope it can be solve once and for all.concrete roof is sure a pain in the s
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If it is for bathroom I'm sure it will work as I have tried. For outdoor, I don't think it is 100%.
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post Feb 21 2012, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(noien @ Feb 20 2012, 09:29 PM)
mine is for the newly built extension room

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Can't imagine a room having a concrete slab over a room. Contractor's suggestion?
Isn't it hot?

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post Feb 21 2012, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(noien @ Feb 21 2012, 11:09 AM)
yup.quite hot.he say is is cheaper than renovate the whole roof for the house.just use concrete slab instead is cheaper.now the cause of the leaking maybe is becoz of the slight crack on the wall due the earth movement?or maybe due to his skill in foundation
if i ask him to reapply sealer and water proof inside wall and recement it.then use pu grouting.is this the best idea?
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If that is the case, my advice is to have metaldeck roofing over - the factory-type roof.
The slab is not wasted as it provides the support for the metal roof.
You need to have insulation for the metaldeck to overcome the noise problem or it would be noisy when it rains.
You not only solve your waterproofing problem, your room would be cooler and more livable.
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QUOTE(noien @ Feb 21 2012, 11:21 AM)
so now the top layer is
metal deck --> insulation --> concrete slab?

what should i do to have the insulation?
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You need to have a few steel C purlins on the slab to receive the roofing and lay it with a gradient(few degrees)

steel purlins (4"x2" abt 5 ft spacing) ---> a layer of chicken wire netting---> rockwool insulation ---> 0.48mm metaldeck Zincalume roofing

I don't know how your flat roof joins the existing roof. Any picture?

Get a roofing contractor to give you a quote. Probably a 1-day job.

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post Feb 22 2012, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(noien @ Feb 22 2012, 08:18 AM)
and here is the pic of the existing roof and new concrete slab
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The 2-3" clearance between the old roof and slab is not enough to have the new metal roofing underneath.
You need to modify the end of the existing roof to do a valley gutter. /\/\
What is the depth of the extension?

No, I don't have contact in Penang.

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Another way to do it, the simplest way:

Forget about purlins and insulation. Lay the metaldeck roofing sheet directly on top of slab, tilt it to fall to back as much as you can (2"-3").
The edge of the roofing sheet below the existing roof eave should be turned up ___]
Roofing sheet to project 1 ft beyond the edge of slab on all three sides.

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post Feb 23 2012, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(noien @ Feb 22 2012, 01:06 PM)
the 2nd idea is better for my case since i don have much space left.can they install it without space underneath the roofing sheet?

and for the depth?u mean the concrete slab depth?
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No, how far to the back you extend from the existing wall.
You need some kind of frame underneath the sheet to tilt it at any angle. You can use timber battens.
And the gaps at the sides?
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post Feb 23 2012, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(noien @ Feb 23 2012, 02:18 PM)
8 ft from the existing wall.
i was thinking of closing the gap of the concrete slab and roof rather then opening it as maybe it will attract pests and water may go in
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It will also also look unsightly.
You don't have much of gradient for water to flow (3" over 96"/8ft)
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post Feb 23 2012, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(noien @ Feb 23 2012, 06:48 PM)
agree.but as long as it can prevent the water from flowing into the room then i m ok with it
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It will. Use Lysaght Kliplok which can take go down to 1 degree pitch.

http://www.lysaght.com/product/lysaght-klip-lok-406
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post Feb 29 2012, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(noien @ Feb 29 2012, 08:16 AM)
nobody wan quote me the price of awning on top of concrete roof.can anyone tell me how around per sqft?
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With small job like that, it's hard to get a quote based on sq ft.
If I were to give a guesstimate, I'd put it at abt RM3.00 psf.
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QUOTE(nakashimakazuma @ Feb 29 2012, 10:07 AM)
PU grouting is the best
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Not under the circumstances as discussed in earlier threads. Can you guarantee?
I guarantee no more problem with another layer of roofing over.

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