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C-Fu
post May 30 2011, 09:05 AM

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filter brand and price != quality.

http://www.lenstip.com/113.4-article-UV_fi...nd_summary.html


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post May 31 2011, 10:44 AM

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Thanks cfu

but there are few point you missed (or ignored)

the B+W show they have better light transmission then Hoya. the reason hoya gain hi point because of the UV filtering, like i mention, UV has no-what-so-ever effect on digital sensor. if UV point are to be removed, its clearly show B+W won.

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post May 31 2011, 10:48 AM

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I still don't know why B+W much more expensive than Hoya HMC,
and those expensive filter definitely is better in terms of flare controlling.

else theres no point to put such high price
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post May 31 2011, 10:12 PM

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so many points ler, what no point pulak

marketing, brand positioning, market differentiation, material/ assembly cost, etc.

like heliopan, it's made in germany, that's one of the major reasons why its so expensive. tiffen, it's for shop owners who want to bundle it with cameras as an added volume since it's cheap.
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post May 31 2011, 10:22 PM

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I find all these filter companies are shady at best

For example look at how Hoya got a superHMC Pro1 and a Pro1 Digital. Why give it such a similar name? Why even have "digital" filter?
and this is not only Hoya but others like B+W as well.

Go to their website and you will be more confused than before. They don't seem to list them with a model number. Even the retailers selling them do not have exact details

And the counterfeit market is not helping this situation either.
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post Jun 1 2011, 01:34 AM

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oh idoblu, now not just DIGITAL filter, somemore now got HD filter u know!!




me: eh? what are those HD hoya (i think) filters?
shop owner: wah those are super high end u know!
me: is it multi-coated ah? didn't say also
him: not multicoated... but SUPER coated, a lot more than multicoated (wtf!!)
me: wah i see... then whats so special?
him: this one ah... really good one, really cannot see flare, super clear! somemore the glass is sapphire u know cannot scratch!
me: really? can test? i try scratch and see
him: (long pause) if u buy then can test lor
me: uh-huh
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post Jun 2 2011, 12:05 AM

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hi, to stop some confusion, i forgotten where i read them, google later...

those non "digital" wording in hoya filter are normally old stock or fake stock from china. original ones are 7 layer coating meant for film (filtering UV at max for film)

while the new pro1 digital are meant for digital sensor, it has only 3 layers (dont worry, they are good coating) which didnt bother much with UV as digital sensor are not affected by UV as much as film.

B+W totally stop making film-filters. they are now with all digital MRC filters. currently they offer only 2 type, the Fpro and XS(Xtra Slim)pro filter.

the heliopan are clear filter, but ppl are skeptic with their coating's 'resistant' to scratch and others.

tiffen are known to have micro surface that can make oil/water slip off without leaving mark (that is what i was told)

the Hoya HD, well i would say the best in market now, for
i) hi scratch resistant, like b+w MRC coating
ii) break/crack resistant, u can knock it on table hard but it doesnt break...
*but if drop sideway, it can still crack in from the corners.
iii) easy to clean (but after using a while, i notice, i clean less on B+W coz B+W coating doesnt attract dust/dirt/oil somehow.... so i switch back to b+w.

i myself somehow turn into b+w fan, they are not that expensive if u know the sources/connection to get "stock price" which is farrrrrr cheaper then hoya HD stock price. i love their easy to clean, and the slim profile (the best slim filter i would say is the sony cz *T filter... but they arent hi scratch resistant and hard to clean) nikon filters are hard to clean, sadly.
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post Jun 2 2011, 10:05 AM

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do filters will loose its coating if its clean with normal cloth?
using Hoya Pro1D here.


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no. because the coating is mixed with the silica mix upon creation of the glass. use alcohol if you want.

if the coating wears off, it means that the filter is cheap, coating was just painted on top
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post Jun 2 2011, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(C-Fu @ Jun 2 2011, 10:29 AM)
no. because the coating is mixed with the silica mix upon creation of the glass. use alcohol if you want.

if the coating wears off, it means that the filter is cheap, coating was just painted on top
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after I rub the top surface with thumbprint to clean it, theres a slight different color at that part. I realised my mistake to clean it with normal cloth, so I clean it with lenspen. but the spot is still there.

Is my filer fake? bought at RM175 for Hoya Pro1Digital 67mm.
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dear lens masters! smile.gif
i want to get something that i can fit my s95 with additional lenses. i've heard about lensmate adapter, but is it sold locally or can i only get it via ebay? terima kasih smile.gif
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four_add: Hoya Pro1Digital should have a very tough coating, how did u manage to scrap the coating off??? could be fake

adam_lss: not so sure, but these adapter cost a lot (200-300) and the image quality is not that impressive.
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for peace of mind you guys just get B+W / Hoya HD UV lar tongue.gif

I won't use cheap filter anymore for my lens sleep.gif
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post Jun 2 2011, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(ieR @ Jun 2 2011, 06:02 PM)
four_add: Hoya Pro1Digital should have a very tough coating, how did u manage to scrap the coating off??? could be fake

adam_lss: not so sure, but these adapter cost a lot (200-300) and the image quality is not that impressive.
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Malaysian RInggit or USD? If usd then i rather wait till i save enuf and get a proper dslr tongue.gif
by d way, where to find such adapters in malaysia?
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Can tell me what filter to use for Nikon 18-55mm kit lens? :-) /shy
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post Jun 3 2011, 12:26 AM

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adam_lss: MYR la... USD gila liao... lol. not sure where or who carries them, usually these thing seldom ppl buy, so shop wont carry them. u are like one of 1000 who will buy.

hidden830726: you see, that kitlens is worth less then rm500 (some say rm300)... so it wont be smart to invest on a rm200 filter. i think just use it filter-less, if it break, that rm200 filter investment can go to a new better lens /notshy
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QUOTE(ieR @ Jun 3 2011, 12:26 AM)
adam_lss: MYR la... USD gila liao... lol. not sure where or who carries them, usually these thing seldom ppl buy, so shop wont carry them. u are like one of 1000 who will buy.

hidden830726: you see, that kitlens is worth less then rm500 (some say rm300)... so it wont be smart to invest on a rm200 filter. i think just use it filter-less, if it break, that rm200 filter investment can go to a new better lens /notshy
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tot of getting this,
http://www.lensmateonline.com/store/s90v2.php

usd seems to be dropping and with shipping is will cost around $40 only... tongue.gif

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post Jul 20 2011, 01:25 AM

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bump, anyone got thing to share? pics etc?

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