poor Eboue, I though he had a decent game last nite. Inconsolable towards the end. All i can say is, football is fun and enjoy to watch. In the same time, it can give a cruel ending.

its not a cruel ending. arsenal deserved to draw d game. if they cant score for 90 mins and depending on a penalty, den clearly they are not championship material.

And that is the hard truth. It was heartbreaking performance yesterday. Liverpool didn't play well and yet Arsenal can't find the way to score. We can't even get a decent attempt on target.

Despite what happened, I still think Eboue is a worthy player to us.

To sum up, we are poor in the final third and error prone defensively.



Seriously, even if we got away with 3 points from RvP penalty, we would also been shooting Arsenal because we really didn't do well throughout the match

well, credit given where it's due. Liverpool ain't pushover, they defenses were tight throughout the game. I love Arsenal playing style, even i'm supporting Chelsea but i do feel excited every time Arsenal building up their attacking last nite. On positive note, U guys still unbeaten for 2011.

I have my thoughts, u have yours. It a sad ending for me. Nuff said.

abit more relaxed. im worried about eboue. how does he feel. infront 60K furious fans. uhm

As i mentioned many times, this team lack of winning mentality & self-destruct syndrome.

It's all over. Congratulations to MU team & fans for winning the EPL trophy. You guys deserve it.

i know..thats why ..the final whistle is on the refree, he choose to give me the card for celebrate for too long and choose when to blow the whistle..
ok another example..i celebrate for 1 minit..i wait for the refree come n yellow card me..then i complain again for 20-30 sec asking why i kena card..
thats 1 min 25 sec=85 sec wasted in 4 minit extra time..then i walk into my own half which already 5-10 sec..85+10sec=95 sec..

so if u r the refree..95 wasted from 4 minutes..will you choose to blow the whistle once 4min time is up especially when the ball still in the penalty box/attacking?

thats 3 min celebration which i said earlier is just an example..didnt say it happen at real life ..
same thing happen during MC vs MU last season..how many min bellamy celebrate his goal?

Actually, i think the card was given to van persie because he took off his shirt in celebrating.
Someone correct me if i'm wrong,

If mad jens was playing at the injury time, I bet that fella knows how to waste some valid time. Lol.

No, I didn't blame woj. Just saying if mad jens was there to create some stunts

Yes

Frustration is getting better out of some fans. I don't think ref should be made the escape goat here. Arsenal was poor, wasted chances and for 95mins hardly any SOT ? A team playing for premiership title not converting the chances ? That's not acceptable. I really think this season, especially second half of the season, Arsenal tactics rather failed.

I really felt that some players in the team are not improving. 6 seasons wasting opportunities to win a silverware is not something to cheer about. Wenger needs to make some changes, he knows it. If he's still reluctant for next season, i don't see this team going anywhere. It will be dejavu all over again.

well, ppl dun invent time wasting tactic for nothing rite.if u know the ref will add more time to additional time what for u employ the tactic?its not about ref being biased, its more to his judgment to add longer time to additional time.

agreed.i also dun expect the ref to blow sharp sharp on the 8 min knowing the rules.but still thats normally what u will see if theres a goal in additional time.its up to ref to control the players behaviors.

well overall its a good performance from us, just we lack that killer instinct as we see time and time again costing us sooo many points.haizzzz.never learn.

Once again the officials win it for man utd... haiz

You're partly right about that, but I see that the referee wasn't being biased. Had he have been biased, he wouldn't have awarded the penalty in the last minute of injury time. Ref was spot on yesterday in my opinion.

wasting time tactics apply when the game is in play. players taking their time to take a throw, or goalie picking the ball, put it in 6 yard box and dilly dally before a kick, yes. thats a time wasting tactics. But during these events the clock are still ticking, refs dont blow whistke and stop his watch for this. Substitution would be in this category, because subs are made when ball is out of playing field (not to be confused with stopped play). Similarly, bringing the ball to the corner of the field to waste time is within this bracket, because the key thing here is "in play".

But events like fouls are stopped play, where ref blows whistle to stop the game and then arrange the walls etc etc, and play only starts when the ref blows whistle again. Similar goes to goal celebration, the game stops when the ref blows for a goal, and this is when the players go celebrate etc. The game will only resume at the centre when refs blow his whistle.

So in reply to ytd's game, the 8 minutes applies to all the time stopped in the 45 minutes. In normal situation where extra time is 3 minutes for example, the time stopped for fouls are negligible and some cases theres no foul at all, so usually the injury time ends on the clock. But in the 8 minute of ytd's game, there is a lenghty stop when Liverpool conceded the foul, which is the period ref blows for penalty, and ref blows for RVP's kick. Then there's another stop, where ref blows for RVP's goal and only restarted when the ref blows for kick-off in the centre. And again, There is a lenghty stop when Arsenal conceded the foul just outside the box, where ref blows for a stop after the foul, then allign the wall etc and only blows whistle when Suarez is ready for the kick.

So you see, from the moment Liverpool conceded the penalty, until Kuyt scored their own penalties, there is a whole lot of time when ref stopped game. These stops are the ones i mentioned being game being stopped for fouls and injuries etc.

At the end of the day, i do agree this is down to ref's disgression. I am just giving an explanation as to why generally, refs do go a bit over for extra time if there is significant game-time being stopped from within injury time.

PS: i tracked the time of the last few minutes of the extra time. from the moment RVP was fouled, the clock was 96:08 minute. The moment when ref ended the game after Kuyt's goal, it was 101:50 minute, meaning the game went on for 5 minutes 42 seconds after the 96:08 mark. By right it should only be 1 minute 52 seconds. But i also totalled up the time ref stopped play due to all the fouls and celebrations (i do this based on ref's whistle) and all in all, 4 minutes and 43 seconds of "stopped play" happened within the 5 minute 42 seconds. That means just over 1 minute of "active play" happened within that period. So if i add that 1 minute back to the 96:08 mark when it all began, theoretically the injury time is only until 97:08. Adjust my timing for mistakes or delay when i press stopwatch, THEORETICALLY ref ended the game 1 minute earlier. of course we all know, in football theres nothing theory about it, and whether what i said about the time stopped on fouls and celebration above, is still open for debate.


i know this is tl;dr, and this is not meant to be aimed at anyone, from any side ok? im just a stats freak and if you do enjoy analyzing these things as much as i do, i just thing it is an interesting stuff to look at, from both sides of the argument

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Apr 18 2011, 02:03 PM

We cannot shoot the ball becoz if we shoot, there's a very high chance we'll lose possession. We cannot lose possession becoz if we get below 50% possession in a game, that will affect AW's KPI... it doesn't really matter if we lose or draw a game, but we must get above 50% possession... if AW dun achieve his KPI (which doesn't include winning a game or a championship or a trophy), there's a very high change his contract will not be renewed.

BTW, AW's KPI:
1. 50% or more possession in a game
2. Spend no more than GBP100,000/week for players wages for any player
3. Spend no more than GBP10mil to sign a player
4. Sign no new player above the age of 28
5. Keep club's debt in check
6. Keep shareholders happy
7. Qualify for Champions League
8. Win Champions League
9. Win EPL
10. Win FA CUP
11. Win Carling Cup

yes, and even concede the penalty, he will do a lot things to influence kuyt and make him miss it ...

The above does not applies at all! lol

the reason why all this

I wonder what is Quick & Stargazzer are thinking now....