If you know United, this team is the one that will bounce back after a defeat

but then again we will lose Scholes to suspension. Gonna be interesting running into the final few games of BPL!

Don't worry, I'm perfectly fine with a fan wanting rivals to lose, especially title rivals. What annoying is those who cared sooo much about United losing, it's a bigger celebration than their own team winning. Not naming names but it irkes me how some Liverpool fans want Liverpool to purposely lose to arsenal. yeah, they dont want MU to have 19. But at what cost? Wanting their own team to lose? U call that a fan? U don't deserved to be called a fan if you want your team to lose, no matter for whatever reason.

That's just an example btw, there are many more stuff
Anti-united ppl say/do. Hope you get what I am talking about.

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Apr 17 2011, 03:19 AM

erm just so u know, we are tied with Liverpool on 18. Technically you can also say we beat/increase our record from 18 to 19.

wasting time tactics apply when the game is in play. players taking their time to take a throw, or goalie picking the ball, put it in 6 yard box and dilly dally before a kick, yes. thats a time wasting tactics. But during these events the clock are still ticking, refs dont blow whistke and stop his watch for this. Substitution would be in this category, because subs are made when ball is out of playing field (not to be confused with stopped play). Similarly, bringing the ball to the corner of the field to waste time is within this bracket, because the key thing here is "in play".

But events like fouls are stopped play, where ref blows whistle to stop the game and then arrange the walls etc etc, and play only starts when the ref blows whistle again. Similar goes to goal celebration, the game stops when the ref blows for a goal, and this is when the players go celebrate etc. The game will only resume at the centre when refs blow his whistle.

So in reply to ytd's game, the 8 minutes applies to all the time stopped in the 45 minutes. In normal situation where extra time is 3 minutes for example, the time stopped for fouls are negligible and some cases theres no foul at all, so usually the injury time ends on the clock. But in the 8 minute of ytd's game, there is a lenghty stop when Liverpool conceded the foul, which is the period ref blows for penalty, and ref blows for RVP's kick. Then there's another stop, where ref blows for RVP's goal and only restarted when the ref blows for kick-off in the centre. And again, There is a lenghty stop when Arsenal conceded the foul just outside the box, where ref blows for a stop after the foul, then allign the wall etc and only blows whistle when Suarez is ready for the kick.

So you see, from the moment Liverpool conceded the penalty, until Kuyt scored their own penalties, there is a whole lot of time when ref stopped game. These stops are the ones i mentioned being game being stopped for fouls and injuries etc.

At the end of the day, i do agree this is down to ref's disgression. I am just giving an explanation as to why generally, refs do go a bit over for extra time if there is significant game-time being stopped from within injury time.

PS: i tracked the time of the last few minutes of the extra time. from the moment RVP was fouled, the clock was 96:08 minute. The moment when ref ended the game after Kuyt's goal, it was 101:50 minute, meaning the game went on for 5 minutes 42 seconds after the 96:08 mark. By right it should only be 1 minute 52 seconds. But i also totalled up the time ref stopped play due to all the fouls and celebrations (i do this based on ref's whistle) and all in all, 4 minutes and 43 seconds of "stopped play" happened within the 5 minute 42 seconds. That means just over 1 minute of "active play" happened within that period. So if i add that 1 minute back to the 96:08 mark when it all began, theoretically the injury time is only until 97:08. Adjust my timing for mistakes or delay when i press stopwatch, THEORETICALLY ref ended the game 1 minute earlier. of course we all know, in football theres nothing theory about it, and whether what i said about the time stopped on fouls and celebration above, is still open for debate.


i know this is tl;dr, and this is not meant to be aimed at anyone, from any side ok? im just a stats freak and if you do enjoy analyzing these things as much as i do, i just thing it is an interesting stuff to look at, from both sides of the argument

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Apr 18 2011, 02:03 PM

I wanted to post on my opinion on generalizing fans being trolls or crybabies but before I press enter, I saw posts like the few before mine. Deleted all of it coz then I will just be a acting-like-saint posters. I will leave coz I am smelly and better go take bath.

I'm serious, I just got back from the gym and stinks like hell

but anyway i wanna thanks posters like Quick, i know you posts in MUST and i appreciate your proper reply to some of our posts here when discussing stuff, i know u have been pretty patient with some of us

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Apr 19 2011, 01:00 PM

whoa just saw this. Please whoever quoting my boyboy here, please stop

Anyway on the jersey issue. Buy ORI! buying fakes will do no benefit to the club you support, regardless which club. If cant afford jersey, can buy official t-shirts, scarfs, hats etc. No jersey =/= no supporter

Nice to see more people collecting Ori jersey in Malaysia. takkan always Big Field jersey, no benefit to the club pun buying fakes. Feel free to check out my collection Here. No Arsenal jersey for obvious reasons, but i have an Arshavin Russia shirt and a few Bergkamp Holland shirts. Legend that guy! Too bad he feared flying, else Arsenal could have used more of his service during his prime in away games. Check out the LYN Jersey talks if you guys interested in discussing ORI jerseys ya!

same advice with any other regular-use items really. take good care when walking around, handwash and natural dry indirectly from the sun, avoid chemicals when washing etc. And of course Ori shirts will last waaay longer than fake, personal experience Anyway theres more info in the LYN jersey talks, check it out!

Don't be silly. When United visit arsenal, there's still 12 points to be contested.

Yea. Partly because at my place when i started DIY, i dunno where to find print machine. Also it is fun to DIY!

Share the results when u done it! For PU NN is best to iron it by gosok2, while Lextra EPL ones probably best to apply pressure. PU ones no need so much pressure, but scared of overheating instead.

actually if i were you...(if its possible) to get more i wouldnt mind

tonight's match is 11pm Msia time right?