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post Jan 2 2025, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 2 2025, 10:58 AM)
Show lhdn the sspn tax relief statement from ptptn during if kena audit??
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Ignorance is not an excuse during audit. Risky move if the change really goes through.

In fact I believe SSPN system track our IC not child IC so the question of matching parents will be based on parent's details rather than children's details. If you recall, whenever submit your income tax declaration your spouse IC is included in the declaration.
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post Jan 2 2025, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 2 2025, 11:03 AM)
Father nric, child A nric
Mother nric, child B nric all different
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When you submit your LHDN declaration every year, you (assume husband) also submit your wife NRIC in the same form. Page 4 (if you use BE form).

This is not different from any other claim-for-child (currently can choose 100% or 50% or 0% for any child below or above 18) - LHDN don't even ask the IC of the child. They base on who your declared spouse is.

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post Jan 2 2025, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 2 2025, 12:25 PM)
i believe the dividend is based on your balance as at 31 Dec 24,....thus your withdrawal in 2025 should not have impact to the dividend calculation
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If you withdraw in January 2025, you get no dividend on that amount in 2025 (2024 dividend unaffected).

If you withdraw in February 2025, you get dividend on minimum monthly balance for Jan 2025.


QUOTE(ccschua @ Jan 2 2025, 12:29 PM)
Is this the correct strategy to maximize returns ?

Jan month end withdraw all SSPN saving , transfer to EPF. COME end dec 2025 EPF to SSPN +8k

Right ?
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Yes, assuming EPF returns > SSPN dividend (this I think is very safe). But you will lose 2 months of interest (January month end means you don't get any interest from January in SSPN, and December month end means you don't get any interest for December either, from EPF or SSPN).

A bit more optimised, January move to high interest savings account and deposit to EPF before month end. December transfer before 5th December to SSPN then can get SSPN December dividend.
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post Jan 3 2025, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE(ccschua @ Jan 2 2025, 10:19 PM)
withdraw early Jan (before 5th) and move it to Boost bank for 3.6% and then transfer to EPF before 29 Jan. is this doable ?
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Yeah should be doable. Be careful on the EPF deposit, there's some chatter in the EPF thread about possible earlier cut off due to CNY.
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post Jan 6 2025, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(arpoh @ Jan 6 2025, 11:43 AM)
Wondering if we can raise a complain for this kind of practice.. Any idea where we can make a complain?
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What's the complaint you want to make? That this non-bank entity which is taking deposits for long term savings for children's education isn't as convenient as your regular bank savings account for a couple of weeks while they close accounts?
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post Jan 9 2025, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(zartegh @ Jan 9 2025, 06:56 PM)
That sounds great! I've never used Bank Islam before. Is it easy enough to open an account online? How will that link the account to my SSPN prime?
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Cannot online, must open over the counter. Also make sure you activate the SSPN link at the Bank Islam ATM while you're there (tell the staff that's what you want to do they will assist).

QUOTE(justanovice @ Jan 9 2025, 07:04 PM)
Hmm how come my limit is only 25k ? Setting shows max 25k. Everyone else is 50k ?
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It changed to 25k some months back IIRC (I haven't done yet).
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post Jan 13 2025, 09:56 AM

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Start of the year definitely some delays cos of manual processing. Stay tenang, keep records,and just wait.
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post Mar 5 2025, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(alex_cyw1985 @ Mar 5 2025, 08:16 AM)
Can I deposit 4k each and claim 4k for husband and 4k for wife? As long as total is 9k per household?
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Haven't checked the specifics but should be possible. Why would you want to do that though, even if your incomes are identical it always makes sense to 'pack' all deductibles to a single spouse so you can drop bracket. Even more so if one income is higher than the other, all the deductibles should go to that spouse. If its a matter of 'equal sharing' then just calculate the value of the deductible and transfer it between yourselves. Both of you come out ahead.

E.g. if one spouse is taxed at 25% and the other at 19%, putting all deductibles on the higher-earning spouse will net you RM2000. Splitting half would net you RM1760, loss of RM240.
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post Mar 5 2025, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(victorian @ Mar 5 2025, 10:04 AM)
if both are taxed at the same rate, not wrong also to split half and claim individually as they do not want to give up on the tax relief that they have been enjoying all this while.
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If they are both taxed on the same rate, then no difference. Unless one will drop rate when including this rebate (in which case the rebate should be applied to the other preferentially).

Some couples joint account so can optimise a bit more. Obviously if not joint account then got other considerations besides maxing refund.
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post Mar 5 2025, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(alex_cyw1985 @ Mar 5 2025, 12:56 PM)
Yup, I understand that, but diff child account belongs to diff spouse, so if deposit half half, both kids account will get top up, else only 1 account will keep increasing except move the kid education fund to somewhere else.
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No reason not to open one account per child and per spouse. So two children total 4 account, 3 children total 6 account.

If want to be fair la. In my opinion not really needed unless you really see the account as 'belonging' to the child. I have two children but I use their account alternate years based on whatever SSPN promos they have. When it comes time to pay for their studies, I think won't need to touch SSPN amount, but if needed also can just withdraw what is needed, no need to kira which one 'belong' to which kid.
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QUOTE(lock_82 @ Mar 5 2025, 02:33 PM)
I think there is also some form of insurance if child account has more than rm1k, i read time some time ago.  Maybe that is good idea to keep account for each kids.. just maintain the minimum to enjoy benefit.
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Insurance... if the child passes away. Most of the takaful benefits are for SSPN plus not prime (previous sspn-i)

https://www.sspn.com.my/sspn-i/perbezaan-ak...n-akaun-sspn-i/ for reference
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post Mar 5 2025, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(jenern84 @ Mar 5 2025, 04:56 PM)
If Child A account is opened under father's name and Child B account is opened under mother's name, is it doable?
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Have you ever filled income tax declaration form before? Considered that there's a reason page 1 itself of the online form asks not just for your IC number but for your spouse IC number as well (together with the 'joint or separate declaration' quesiton)?

Maybe SSPN's computer system may 'let go' and show 8k each. Good luck with LHDN side then. IMO not worth the risk.
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post Mar 9 2025, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(saitong09 @ Mar 9 2025, 05:33 PM)
For long run you may losing more than what you get from the 25% tax
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Unlikely. 25% up front will take a long time for attrition of interest rate (if compared fairly against similar funds like EPF/ASM rather than against equity/crypto) to lose more. Especially since the amount is relatively small, only 8k a year.
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post Mar 9 2025, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(Barricade @ Mar 9 2025, 08:05 PM)
Mind humour me which investment vehicle can guarantee me more than 25% return in a year?
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To be fair, because the amount must be higher than previous year, you only earn 25% one shot at the start (and then roughly ~4% per year).

Hypothetically if you put in EPF at ~6%, there is a length of time after which EPF on the 100% amount at ~6% is higher than SSPN interest of ~4% on the 100% amount + ~6% on the 25% amount.
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post Mar 11 2025, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(fantaghiro1 @ Mar 11 2025, 11:30 AM)
I can't login to my sspn prime account. Did they change the link already? Haven't login since early last year
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Yes, go to https://myptptn.ptptn.gov.my

You probably need to create new account.
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post Mar 11 2025, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(leongsem @ Mar 11 2025, 01:36 PM)
I need SSPN LHDN statement for year 2018-2022, how to get it
request at chat 2 times but they din send it
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Kena audit? Fastest way would be to go to PTPTN branch I guess.
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post Mar 14 2025, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(leanman @ Mar 14 2025, 09:41 AM)
I have 2 SSPN accounts for 2 kids. Both have about RM15k. So If I withdraw 15k from Account A, by year end I must deposit RM23k in order to fully utilize the tax deduction? Then on the following year, if I withdraw RM23k, then by year ends I must deposit again RM31k? Does it work that way?
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QUOTE(Barricade @ Mar 14 2025, 09:52 AM)
Yes. Every year u have to add RM8k compared to previous year balance.
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Also you can choose to 'skip' a year.

For example, if in 2025 you withdraw everything except RM20 in each account, you cannot claim for 2025 tax (submitted 2026).

But in 2026 you can just add RM8k total (4k each account also can, 8k one account, however you wish) and will be eligible for 2026 tax (submitted 2027).

If between you and wife can play this game every year, one year you claim, one year wife claim. Most suitable for spouse with similar income level/tax bracket. For those where one spouse outearn the other significantly, better to just continuous build up in the higher earning spouse's name. Its not like the accumulated amount doesn't earn interest, in fact the interest is sorta competitive with FD mostly.
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post Apr 9 2025, 08:51 AM

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I guess if you have two children and you legally divorce your wife, each of you get legal guardianship of one child, then you can still claim RM8000 each.....
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QUOTE(MUM @ Apr 9 2025, 12:05 PM)
This applies specifically to the child tax relief, not SSPN.


QUOTE(tan_aniki @ Apr 10 2025, 11:38 AM)
then come another question, once divorce you back to single again and if your parent already claim, do you still eligible to claim?
ya i think this should be the way, not marriage but based on the biological children eligibility
if tie to marriage means ur parent will stop you from claiming any tax relief as you are under their household once divorce back to single
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LHDN doesn't have the idea of a 'household' in that way, even when I was single I pay income tax there's no 'joint household' with my parents, and my parents don't get to claim for me once I left the age of childhood also. So if you're a working single then your parents are not relevant at all. If you have children you can claim.

The idea of 'balik to parents rumah' is a cultural thing, nothing to do with tax eligibility or not. LHDN only recognize one relationship, marriage.
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QUOTE(tan_aniki @ Apr 10 2025, 02:05 PM)
ya that's why we don't use marriage or single to make a loophole on it, just make sure those kids are both own by both parent even though they separated or dead
i'm just talking those who like to use divorce as a loophole to get something which doesn't make sense
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Marriage is literally the only important relationship for LHDN, so divorced will make the 'loophole' if you have more than one child and split custody. Because you are no longer married. Don't know why you assume it 'doesn't make sense'.

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