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 RCCB/ELCB 100mA still nuisance trip!, during lightning storms

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keyz
post Jan 6 2016, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(Kiding @ Dec 26 2015, 12:18 AM)
I'm interesting in this ABB OVR T2 SPD (http://new.abb.com/products/ABB2CTB802341R8000), planing to install it in the DB

I'm wondering will it reduce the frequent RCCB trip when lighting hit nearby my house, I stay at the hill top, whenever lightning hit nearby, it is very high chance the RCCB will trip!
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Mine also installed with SPD (installed 2015-09-19). Ever since, Only one time there is quite heavy lightning strike as reported by my wife but RCCB didn't trip.

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post Jan 6 2016, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(keyz @ Jan 6 2016, 01:31 PM)
Mine also installed with SPD (installed 2015-09-19). Ever since, Only one time there is quite heavy lightning strike as reported by my wife but RCCB didn't trip.

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How much you paid for the SPD devices and installation? I'm tired of the nuisance trip, it has been 3 times for last 30 days cry.gif
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post Jan 6 2016, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(Kiding @ Jan 6 2016, 07:49 PM)
How much you paid for the SPD devices and installation? I'm tired of the nuisance trip, it has been 3 times for last 30 days  cry.gif
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SPD Class 2 (for 3 phase) - RM477 incl. GST
Installation RM150 - local electrician. This installation cost include SPD & auto Reset RCCB.
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Didn't realised this topic is still alive! i have recommended the use of SPD more than 2 years ago, now that another person has recommended to installed SPD, TAKE HIS ADVICE, THAT WILL RESOLVE THE TRIPPING PROBLEM provided if tripping is caused by LIGHTNING!, I have never experience anymore tripping since 2 years ago even during heavy thunder storm.
when install the SPD ..must ask the installer to install before the RCCB, if they say cannot, don't buy!
mine comes with 15 year unlimited warranty but they r more expensive but definitely worth it knowing that i won't encounter smelly and rotten food in my fridge when i come back from outstation because of the nuisance tripping!
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QUOTE(keyz @ Jan 6 2016, 09:11 PM)
SPD Class 2 (for 3 phase) - RM477 incl. GST
Installation RM150 - local electrician. This installation cost include SPD & auto Reset RCCB.
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Hi,

Can please provide me the installer/electrician phone number and may I know where did you buy the SPD & auto Reset RCCB?

Btw, my house uses 1 phase only.

Thanks in advance! thumbup.gif

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post May 14 2016, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(clickNsnap @ May 13 2016, 11:40 PM)
Hi,

Can please provide me the installer/electrician phone number and may I know where did you buy the SPD & auto Reset RCCB?

Btw, my house uses 1 phase only.

Thanks in advance!  thumbup.gif
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For electrician phone you can get from local shop which supply electrical part for contractor, not shop which selling electrical appliances. They do leave the business card number.

For SPD & auto RCCB I bought from L.V Control Technologies SB. 03-80112999. Mr. Alan Chua (alan@lvcontrol.com.my)

L.V.CONTROL TECHNOLOGIES SDN.BHD
No.3, Twin Park
Jalan Subang 7/1
Taman Perindustrian Subang USJ 1
47600 Subang Jaya
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QUOTE(keyz @ May 14 2016, 01:12 AM)
For electrician phone you can get from local shop which supply electrical part for contractor, not shop which selling electrical appliances. They do leave the business card number.

For SPD & auto RCCB I bought from L.V Control Technologies SB. 03-80112999. Mr. Alan Chua (alan@lvcontrol.com.my)

L.V.CONTROL TECHNOLOGIES SDN.BHD
No.3, Twin Park
Jalan Subang 7/1
Taman Perindustrian Subang USJ 1
47600 Subang Jaya
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Thanks a million!

My house will trip, if heavy rain with loud thunder storm... hope install the SPD & auto RCCB will helps.
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ABB OVR T2 SPD ordered from Taobao finally arrived, surprisingly it is imported from France, I though it is made in China blink.gif

Just install it myself at the location before RCCB and after the main switch, hopefully it will prevent the RCCB to trip during lightning.
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post May 14 2016, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(Kiding @ May 14 2016, 12:54 AM)
ABB OVR T2 SPD ordered from Taobao finally arrived, surprisingly it is imported from France, I though it is made in China  blink.gif

Just install it myself at the location before RCCB and after the main switch, hopefully it will prevent the RCCB to trip during lightning.
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Can you take a photo of your Surge Protection Device (SPD) and the installation..

I can help you confirm if it is correct..


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QUOTE(Richard @ May 14 2016, 10:31 AM)
Can you take a photo of your Surge Protection Device (SPD) and the installation..

I can help you confirm if it is correct..
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Hager is the RCCB, ABB is the SPD

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post May 14 2016, 01:29 PM

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Yes abb spd still made in France. How much you bought from taobao? A lot of savings compare to buy local?
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QUOTE(Coconut @ May 14 2016, 01:29 PM)
Yes abb spd still made in France. How much you bought from taobao? A lot of savings compare to buy local?
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I bought it around RM430, local seller quote me RM800+, my.rs-online.com selling around RM680
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QUOTE(Kiding @ May 14 2016, 11:30 AM)
Hager is the RCCB, ABB is the SPD

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Yes.. Except you should be using black(N) from RCD to the neutral bar, grn/yellow(E) from SPD to Earth bar..

All the main cables size looks to be 10mm2 or larger so it's all good.. A bit of cable management would help make things look a lot better too..

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QUOTE(Richard @ May 14 2016, 03:46 PM)
Yes.. Except you should be using black(N) from RCD to the neutral bar, grn/yellow(E) from SPD to Earth bar..

All the main cables size looks to be 10mm2 or larger so it's all good.. A bit of cable management would help make things look a lot better too..
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Yes, I know it does not follow proper wire color codes, because I went to three electrical shops, only one shop selling 10 mm^2 and 16 mm^2 by meter, and only black color is available, the RCD wiring was done by developer, I can see they didn't follow the color code either in some place at my house.

Actually I tried to use 16 mm^2 but I realized I couldn't use it as it is too big to fit in, so only 10 mm^2 wires are used.
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QUOTE(Kiding @ May 14 2016, 06:04 PM)
Yes, I know it does not follow proper wire color codes, because I went to three electrical shops, only one shop selling 10 mm^2 and 16 mm^2 by meter, and only black color is available, the RCD wiring was done by developer, I can see they didn't follow the color code either in some place at my house.

Actually I tried to use 16 mm^2 but I realized I couldn't use it as it is too big to fit in, so only 10 mm^2 wires are used.
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ok.. but i would replace both 63A DP isolator/RCD with 40A if you're really looking for thermal protection the 10mm2..
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QUOTE(Richard @ May 14 2016, 08:34 PM)
ok.. but i would replace both 63A DP isolator/RCD with 40A if you're really looking for thermal protection the 10mm2..
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Hi, My DB seem a bit small, any possible to add SPD? Thanks.

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QUOTE(clickNsnap @ May 20 2016, 03:03 PM)
Hi, My DB seem a bit small, any possible to add SPD? Thanks.
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It looks like running out of space, may need to change the DB box and add additional trail.
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QUOTE(Kiding @ May 21 2016, 12:32 AM)
It looks like running out of space, may need to change the DB box and add additional trail.
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Change to a bigger DB and add SPD... redo all the wires... cost a lot? moneyflies.gif moneyflies.gif moneyflies.gif Can the SPD installed "outside" next to the old DB with a separate small DB or box? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(clickNsnap @ May 20 2016, 03:03 PM)
Hi, My DB seem a bit small, any possible to add SPD? Thanks.
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Use 2ndary board with distance less than 50cm . Like this example:

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QUOTE(clickNsnap @ May 20 2016, 03:03 PM)
Hi, My DB seem a bit small, any possible to add SPD? Thanks.
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The function of a surge protection device is to prevent a sudden Surge of Voltage from damaging your electronics by providing a path of least resistance to ground.. a protection against lightning strikes to overhead electrical lines and or from bad earth rods (which picks from impact zones and carries the voltage surges to your box) .

Only if this is the case then you can install it anywhere from your kwh meter cables to your distribution box.. A common practice is to install inside the DB but its not the only way to have it installed..

You can have it installed in its own enclosure after the kwh meter at any point before the DB (thus the equipment to be protected)... connect all phase/neutral cables to the SPD and connect SPD to a known good ground. (Ground rod reading below One Ohm)..



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