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 RCCB/ELCB 100mA still nuisance trip!, during lightning storms

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post Dec 1 2012, 12:42 AM

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My house also get nuisance trip during thunder storm, I plan to change the TBC 100mA RCCB to Hager 100mA RCCB, would it help? and where to get the Hager RCCB?
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post Dec 1 2012, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(PJusa @ Dec 1 2012, 10:26 AM)
if your earth is good it *might* help. do note that in my personal opinion you dont need an ELCB at all if you decide to go higher than 30mA. Its no use. The ELCB is meant to save a humans life if they get into the circuit. If your cutoff level is already deadly why even bother with it? Either you do it properly or no need to do at all. If nobody gets inside the circuit you're pretty safe without an ELCB.
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If using 30mA then I expect the nuisance trip will even worst!

Actually the 100mA is good enough, it trip yesterday when the aircon installer accidentally touch the wire.

I think most house in Malaysia use 100mA by default.
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post Dec 1 2012, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 1 2012, 12:11 PM)
Not true. I been using 30mA for many many yrs. Last time I always have this nuisance tripping. Go to electrical shop and ask for the solution from the bos. Told me to change to a better 1 and abit expensive. Brand hager and cost rm120. Change it and now less trip.

Use a better way to solve the problem and not downgrade the safety. You still have a solution like earthing and surge protector.
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Thanks for the advice, I will give it a try, Where can I get Hager brand in Klang Valley area? Can I get it at Jalan Pasar?
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post Dec 2 2012, 12:36 AM

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Asking Hager 30mA RCCB around 5 shops in Puchong and Serdang, none of them carry 30mA, so just get the 100mA for RM80

I'm planing to install 30mA sensitivity RCBO to replace the MCB for the electric shower heater, is it better than install 30mA at the main switch?
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post Jul 6 2015, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(DMegaMall @ Jul 6 2015, 12:25 PM)
Hi, my house is having the the same issue during thunderstom, my RCCB will always trip even on a minor "lightning", thinking of changing the RCCB, should I change to 30mA/100mA or 300mA? Which one is less sensitive to lightning?
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Start reading from post #97 onward !
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post Dec 26 2015, 12:18 AM

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I'm interesting in this ABB OVR T2 SPD (http://new.abb.com/products/ABB2CTB802341R8000), planing to install it in the DB

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I'm wondering will it reduce the frequent RCCB trip when lighting hit nearby my house, I stay at the hill top, whenever lightning hit nearby, it is very high chance the RCCB will trip!
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post Jan 6 2016, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(keyz @ Jan 6 2016, 01:31 PM)
Mine also installed with SPD (installed 2015-09-19). Ever since, Only one time there is quite heavy lightning strike as reported by my wife but RCCB didn't trip.

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How much you paid for the SPD devices and installation? I'm tired of the nuisance trip, it has been 3 times for last 30 days cry.gif
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post May 14 2016, 12:54 AM

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ABB OVR T2 SPD ordered from Taobao finally arrived, surprisingly it is imported from France, I though it is made in China blink.gif

Just install it myself at the location before RCCB and after the main switch, hopefully it will prevent the RCCB to trip during lightning.
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post May 14 2016, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(Richard @ May 14 2016, 10:31 AM)
Can you take a photo of your Surge Protection Device (SPD) and the installation..

I can help you confirm if it is correct..
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Hager is the RCCB, ABB is the SPD

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post May 14 2016, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(Coconut @ May 14 2016, 01:29 PM)
Yes abb spd still made in France. How much you bought from taobao? A lot of savings compare to buy local?
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I bought it around RM430, local seller quote me RM800+, my.rs-online.com selling around RM680
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post May 14 2016, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(Richard @ May 14 2016, 03:46 PM)
Yes.. Except you should be using black(N) from RCD to the neutral bar, grn/yellow(E) from SPD to Earth bar..

All the main cables size looks to be 10mm2 or larger so it's all good.. A bit of cable management would help make things look a lot better too..
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Yes, I know it does not follow proper wire color codes, because I went to three electrical shops, only one shop selling 10 mm^2 and 16 mm^2 by meter, and only black color is available, the RCD wiring was done by developer, I can see they didn't follow the color code either in some place at my house.

Actually I tried to use 16 mm^2 but I realized I couldn't use it as it is too big to fit in, so only 10 mm^2 wires are used.
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post May 20 2016, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(clickNsnap @ May 20 2016, 03:03 PM)
Hi, My DB seem a bit small, any possible to add SPD? Thanks.
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It looks like running out of space, may need to change the DB box and add additional trail.
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post Jun 20 2016, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 20 2016, 12:04 PM)
errr...
Surge protection and RCCB/ELCB are 2 different issue.  sweat.gif

RCCB/ELCB trip is good thing to have actually (except malfunction of RCCB/ELCB, due to aging etc), which just show that it is function properly to indicate there is a problem in the wire system or electrical appliances, which prompt user to rectify it.
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Agreed on surge protection and RCCB are protecting different scenario, RCCB protects human life from current leak, and SPD protects lightning strike damages.

But, RCCB often very sensitive to detect any current imbalance caused by lightning strike, thus, cause nuisance trip!

My ABB SPD have been installed for 1 month, there was a close lightning stroke my house nearby, my house alarm was triggered due to vibration, neighbor cars alarm was screaming! but this time, no power trip anymore ! rclxms.gif I'd say SPD really effective to reduce or eliminate power trip caused by lightning strike!
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post Aug 26 2016, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(clickNsnap @ Aug 26 2016, 02:14 AM)
thumbsup.gif  look like replacing the old RCCB to a new Hager RCCB is the answer!
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Not really, I replaced my old RCCB with Hager RCCB, it still trip, just lesser, now I have installed the ABB SPD, so far it is already 4 months and not a single trip.
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post Jun 28 2017, 03:43 PM

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There are type 1, 2, 3 SPD,

Type 1 SPD protects from the directly lightning strike to your power supply line.
Type 2 SPD protects from indirectly lightning strike, this type of SPD is the one you install at your DB, it has less discharge current rating
Type 3 SPD protects sensitive equipment such as computer, AV equipments or electronic devices, type 3 SPD must install nearby your electronic devices.

In Malaysia, you will need type 3 SPD, if you stay at high ground or frequently lightning strike area, you will need type 2 SPD, if the power line is hanging in the air and connect to your house and your house is at the highest point, you better get type 1 SPD.

 

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