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QUOTE(babykon101 @ Aug 30 2015, 02:47 AM)
Just wondering does YTL and setia hire architects? I am quite interested in this topic after watching HIMYM but seems like cant find any info on potential career options on their web.
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Usually big companies may have 1 or 2 architects as consultants to serve their interests. They dont do designs as much, but function to oversee external architects that they hire.

It is cheaper to hire architrcts on project basis (hire, get the job done, get out).
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QUOTE(Qin-Ying @ Sep 10 2015, 11:16 AM)
Hi everyone,

I found this thread very informative, thanks very much OP for explaining so thoroughly. But I was hoping to seek some advice. icon_question.gif

I'm an A-levels leaver and am interested in pursuing a course in architecture.

If I were to take a degree in architecture for part 1 in Taylor's, could I still apply overseas (eg Aus and NZ) for my masters (part 2)? Does it affect my chances of getting in if i do my part 1 in Malaysia? Or would it be much more prudent to do part 1 straight away in an accredited university overseas, do my internship and then proceed to part 2?

I'm hoping to maybe save my parents some money since it would be easier on them if I did part 1 locally. I would like to experience overseas student life though, so that's why i'm considering this.

I've tried reading through the comments (not all though) to see if any similar question has been asked and couldn't find any, so pardon me if this has already been addressed.

Thanks in advance! notworthy.gif
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hello there.

yes, u can continue anywhere for ur masters, subject to the requirements of that particular university. however, regarding chance, it's a bit complicated. australia has its own regulation regarding profession that no longer recognizes overseas qualifications. but there are way around this by sitting for their professional exams (equivalent to part 1). but yes, it is actually much easier to do everything in australia. for other countries, it's much easier.
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QUOTE(Qin-Ying @ Sep 11 2015, 10:40 AM)
Hello, thank you for your prompt reply!  smile.gif

Oh, so this only applies to Australia? Meaning for the other countries (eg UK & NZ) there would be no problem?

I'm wondering if there are any significant benefits doing architecture (part 1) overseas, other than more exposure to historical buildings and different views. Is the syllabus taught as well as the teaching style much more different than here? As for the internship, i assume we do it in the country where we obtained our part 1.

I forgot to include this in my question last time, but how about chances of getting into the local IPTA unis for part 2 after doing the part 1 in IPTS (Taylor's)? I think might be slim since they would probably consider their own undergrads first, but do they consider your application at all?
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I cant say much for NZ, but australia recently made some major changes that even UK qualifications are no longer recognized. It means u have to sit for their part1 even if u already hold a part 1 from other commonwealth countries.

UK on the otherhand is much more liberal. They even allow u to enroll into their part 2 while u sort out the part 1 exam in the UK.

Architecture programmes in commonwealth countries are mostly compatible with each other. This effectively made our accredited programmes as equal to international standard. The only difference is mainly cultural, funding, research focus and opportunity to study under master architects (many famous architects are attached to one school or the other).

Regarding continuing ur part 2 in IPTAs from IPTS, i can say the challenge is always there but i wouldnt say its about preference of own students. Bear in mind major IPTAs have been around for decades. They have a strong tradition of excellence.

So when they produce graduates, they tend to be more attuned to the criteria ppl are looking for in part 2. Im not saying they are better per se. Just more suitable, particularly on the technical aspect.

For UTM, we always interview all candidates and do not differentiate between our own grads with those from outside. Merit is valued higher than familiarity.
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QUOTE(Qin-Ying @ Sep 11 2015, 11:46 AM)
I see. So that would mean if i have the intention to work in Australia in the future, it would be better to take part 1 and part 2 there, yes? Since their degree is also recognized by other commonwealth countries, and not the other way round.

I see i see, thank you for the clarification. It's just i've heard for other courses (eg science-related courses) they tend to look to their own graduates first, glad to see this isn't the case for architecture.

If i could, I would also apply for the local IPTA, however since i took A-levels (had a different course in mind at the time), the chance is pretty much nil.  sweat.gif

Lol sorry, but I have another question, how are the working hours for an architecture graduate like? I know there are all-nighters and OT when there is a big project going on, but generally would the working hours be normal most of the time?

Thanks again, I live in a rural area and there's not many people who can answer my questions regarding this profession. Very thankful for this thread.
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Well if u plan to work in Australia, u better think well before hand as it is very unlikely for u to secure a job there nowadays due to immigration policies. Many of my friends have returned after over 10 years working there. Same goes with UK and EU.

It's easier to find a job and settle down in the US, China and Singapore than those countries.

And, Malaysia is also following Aussie footsteps. By 2017, no overseas degrees will be recognized in Malaysia. U will need to take the LAM parts 1 and 2 exams independently. Even if you come the highest ranking university.

Regarding working hours: it's 25 hours a day, 8 days a week kinda job. There's no way around it.
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QUOTE(amir_tm @ Sep 11 2015, 11:49 AM)
hai sir..i heard u r part of BIM academia team along with Dr Lim, Dr Zul, Dr Tarmizi n the others..so when will BIM become part of the silibus in IPTs? neway send my regard to Dr Lim n say sori to him cos i an not able to be part of his research team..
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So far, only UTM have adopted BIM authoring into the syllabus and a bit on cost management. However we will soon introduce an integrated multidisciplinary BIM subject that will be shared between built environment courses.

The other schools are waiting to see the impact of the implementation first before adopting our model (or creating their own).
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QUOTE(amir_tm @ Sep 11 2015, 12:06 PM)
but if i m not mistaken..kolej komuniti also implemented BIM subject as part of their diploma in architecture technology program..i believe i read it in newspaper recently..looks like other ipts are lacking behind..
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BIM is a huge prospect. I was part of the tranier of trainers that constructed the curriculum. All the while, Dr Lim and myself were very skeptical over the content that they're going to imbue to the students who have NO BACKGROUND in architecture or built environment.

I honestly dont know how effective is going to be, as BIM is useful for managers or those at decision making positions. Not for clerk of works, builders and so on. It's like teaching a 10 year old how to drive. It'll be 8 years before they can actually drive legally.
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QUOTE(Qin-Ying @ Sep 11 2015, 12:08 PM)
Oh, well that does throw a wrench into my plans. sweat.gif I'll have to think more carefully about it then.

Then actually going abroad at this time would be moot point then? Since by the time I graduate, Malaysia will not recognize my degree. What would you say is the best option? Just do everything locally?

Wooow, is that literal? If it is, it means I would have to function like a robot with zero rest all the time blink.gif  blink.gif Is it just a phase, or are the working hours like that forever?  wacko.gif  wacko.gif

Don't mind working-hard, since every profession is like that. But would be nice to have quality of work-life balance somewhere along the way xD
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At the moment, LAM is organizing accreditation on school-by-school basis. Previously, it's by country. This could be dangerous as not all school in a particular country is up to par. So the safer way is to stop recognition based on countries (effective 2017), and start recognition based on schools.

If I'm not mistaken, several overseas schools have requested to be accredited by LAM (including Australia). Yes, many people were skeptical on why an international reputable school would want to be accredited by Malaysia. Well it boils down to money and student skills. Malaysia is a very large exporter of students and we have little problem acquiring funding even for a developing country. And we also are never short of excellent students who can easily acquire scholarships, not to mention our strong(er) command of language and compatible primary and secondary education (despite many locals not believing in the system).

Eventually, we expect more overseas schools to request to be accredited as they will be losing a lot of money if Malaysian students stop enrolling to their schools.

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The thing about working hours is, it's YOUR OWN TIME MANAGEMENT. We don't tell you to work like that.

Design is ever evolving. The more time your spend on it, the better it grows. So there's an unwritten understanding that "your work is not done until you've submitted it!". That's why people keep on working and working on it to achieve perfection.


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QUOTE(Qin-Ying @ Sep 11 2015, 12:47 PM)
But currently the list on the LAM website only recognizes certain universities as well, does this mean the list is effective from 2017 onwards? Or will a new list be released during that year?

I see, well that's a bright side. Well considering if i enrolled next year, I will graduate part 1 in 2018, meaning it will be risky if LAM decides not to recognize that uni. I suppose doing it locally would be my best bet. Sigh, i do kinda want to study abroad though.

Yeah,  i suppose designers in general are perfectionists and work-driven. Depends on which company you work with as well as your assigned job(regarding the hours)?

Thank you for the insight! Therefore it boils down to whether you finish your work quickly or slowly. However, that would sacrifice quality in the process  hmm.gif I guess working efficiently within time constraints is key.
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That list is the old list that hasn't been updated since the 80s. The new list will be released once we have a few schools in the pocket. It should be released by next year, so you could decide which Australian school to go to and be secured for accreditation in Australia and in Malaysia.
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QUOTE(Qin-Ying @ Sep 11 2015, 01:20 PM)
The problem is that if i want to go next year, i would have to confirm with them (the unis i applied to) end of this year most probably. LAM most likely wouldn't have released it yet, and it's impossible to know which Uni will continue to be accredited before the list is released. Would i have a chance of knowing if i call LAM? lol biggrin.gif

Thanks so much again for the info thumbup.gif
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On these stuffs, it's better just wait for official announcements. Even if they could tell you unofficially, things can change depending on policies and foreign relations. So until the deal is fully secured, then only should you make your move.
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post Sep 13 2015, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(Qin-Ying @ Sep 13 2015, 10:57 AM)
Hello again, sir. I want to get more insight on the workings in an architect firm, I wonder if any of them allow students to shadow them for a few days?

Can you recommend any notable architectural firms in PJ?

Is there a proper procedure to request for this? Do I email them or just call them?

Thanks.
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Technically u're not architecture student yet, right? There might be some firms who're willing to entertain, but u might have to sign some non-disclosure agreements and what not. They dont want u to reveal trade secrets away.

Yes, do try and write and explain ur situation and what u want from them. Thats the best way.

Regarding firma in PJ, i might know a few. Let me ask around.
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QUOTE(Qin-Ying @ Sep 13 2015, 11:35 AM)
Yup! Not yet, only going to start the course next year in fact. Oh, okay that's alright smile.gif

Will do that! I've tried googling architectural firms in PJ, but the descriptions and all are a bit vague.

Thank you! I will await your reply smile.gif
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go to LAM website. they have a list of practices in malaysia including their address.
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QUOTE(jiri @ Sep 14 2015, 05:39 PM)
Hi mr az, just to double confirm, by "u need to be enrolled by 2017", u mean enrol into the course or enrol registering as part 1 or part 2 after graduation?

For my case, im startin my master in uk later this month, meaning i will graduate around sept 2017, will i be automatically accredited by then, or need to take seperate part 2 exam after coming back? Thanks
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hi,

enroll into any accredited programme as listed in LAM list by 2017. meaning either part 1 or 2.

but first of all, u have to ensure ur current part 1 is accredited first. if u have started ur masters this year, the 2017 ruling doesnt apply to u, regardless if u graduated later than that. it's the point of enrollment, not graduation.

QUOTE(raindropper @ Sep 14 2015, 09:29 PM)
Hi mr az, i'm currently studying a levels and going to apply to study architecture degree in uk. However, i have questions about the portfolio they mention in their requirement in UCL, Shefield and so on.
Do i receive the portfolio only if i got to interview or not?
Also, after i submitted my application, when will i get the task?
What should i include my portfolio?  Can i prepare now even i dont have the task?
Please reply ASAP as i'm going to apply soon, thanks.
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portfolio is always required in any field of design or arts. so if u intend on jumping into this field, get your portfolio ready ALWAYS. when they ask for the portfolio, you need to send them a copy. they might require u to send digital copy instead, so get that ready too. most of the time, i just find it easier to setup an online portfolio and just give the link to anyone who's interested. then i can just concentrate on updating the site time and time again.

they will inform u roughly about 3-6 weeks after u've submitted the application. so yes, better get going now.

regarding what to put in it: this is a creativity-driven field. so any and every form of creative process that u've been through counts!
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QUOTE(matthewwong @ Sep 15 2015, 04:31 PM)
Hi sir, thank you so much for this thread.

I'm a bursary student currently doing A-Levels, ending this year in November. I'm applying to overseas universities for architecture according to the list given by JPA, which includes 4 universities from UK and another 4 from Aus.
The news regarding LAM not recognizing overseas degrees anymore caused many doubts to arise, especially about JPA plans for future graduates that they had sponsored. A friend of mine contacted JPA about this matter and they said that they do not recommend us applying for architecture as it will bring 'problems' when we return to Msia, but will still sponsor us if we ever get the course. They also mentioned that they will not be sponsoring anymore for later batches.

My questions are : how much of an impact will this new policy bring to our batch of architectural students studying overseas? (commencing studies at 2016)
Will we ever get a job from LAM, since graduates under JPA scholarship will be bonded, if they don't recognize our degree?

Sorry for the long-winded post and my apologies if this topic has already been answered. Thank you once again.  biggrin.gif
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1st of all, the 2017 ruling does not affect or change any aspects of those going to enroll by 31 december 2017. Lets be clear on that. It doesnt matter when you come back, so long as you start before 2017 ends.

For architecture, JPA will follow LAM's list to the letter. At the end of 2017, the list you see today will no longer be in effect. In its place will be a new list of accredited schools (a few are currently in the process as we speak). JPA will then follow this list in offering sponsorships.

Btw, LAM do not offer jobs. They control the license to get jobs. If you come from a non-accredited school, it's not the end of the world. You can still sit for the part 1 and/or 2 exams independently.

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QUOTE(matthewwong @ Sep 15 2015, 07:50 PM)
Ah, building on that, does that mean that if I were to start uni at 2016, completing my 3yrs degree at 2018, my degree is still equivalent to LAM part 1, without having to take the part 1 exams?

Secondly, to acquire the LAM part 2 qualification I would have to do my masters at a recognised uni (according to the new list released by then) and if I were to do my masters at an unaccredited school, I would just need to take LAM part 2 exams to become qualified?

Thank you so much for clearing my (and others') doubts!
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Yes.

Yes and yes.

No problem.
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QUOTE(jiri @ Sep 15 2015, 08:42 PM)
Ya my part 1 is local accredited. But what if the current/new title of part 2 in uk uni(MArch Architecture) is different from existing title in the lam website list (Diploma in Arch(Pg Dip)). Am i still lam part 2 coming back eventhough the title is different from the same uni?

I noticed some uni in uk are now in Master but lam website still show their uni offering diploma or bachelor for part 2.
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Thats the thing about the international list. It has never been updated. No new school can be entered in the list, and the existing ones cant be changed.

So its true, if u take the masters, it wont be accredited. Only the exact title listed on the website will be accredited. This is why the new 2017 ruling is proposed - to make it more transparent and flexible.
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QUOTE(cend @ Sep 17 2015, 05:21 AM)
Hello Mr. Aza,

Im currently in my final year now. I'm still deciding whether to pursue part 2 ASAP or just get more experiences with working. Parents are forcing me to rush my masters, but I still want to enjoy more on working because I kinda get tired with classes ( I enjoyed my time on internship session much more and high spirited sending those bomba submissions). Is rushing Part 2 really worth it? Im from a really low income background, so I might need to start saving for fees if I were to rush em.

Also, what is the requirement to get into UTM for Masters Part 2? And do I need to start rearrange/sorting and archive my portfolio digitally or in traditional medium?
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Hello,

Well it's totally up to u. Working experience is critical between part 1 and part 2. We would say 1 year is good, 2 years is best. But its not necessary to go beyond that as u would have acquired everything u need for part 2 by then. Obviously u could use the money acquired to assist for ur PG studies.

For UTM, portfolio is a must. We usually recommend A3 portfolio. Digital portfolio can be used assuming u bring ur own Pad for easy viewing (probably one of the best reason to tell ur parents why u need the Pad!).

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QUOTE(cloudy-person @ Sep 19 2015, 09:52 PM)
Hi Mr. Azza,

I'm looking to study diploma in ungku omar polytechnic for architecture, then hopefully going to a local university like UM or UTM.
This is, if I manage to enter ungku omar, anyways.

But I heard that it's hard for poly students to enter, is this still true?
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this is mainly due to the small number of intakes for diploma holders vs the number of graduates. imagine about 1000 diploma holders pop out each year, and only 100 gets placement for degree. the rest would have to wait and work for a year before trying again.

so when u graduate, other graduates 3-5 years your senior are also competing for placement in public universities.


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QUOTE(AKG @ Oct 5 2015, 06:19 PM)
Hi azarimy,

I'm STPM leavers here, need some advice from you hope you would be able to help me.

I'm planning to study architecture at UTAR(accredited by LAM right ?)(saw it at LAM website) the course offered is considered as part 1 right ?

Is architecture really that difficult to study ? Is the course more to computer based or more to drawing in traditional way ?

As stated in UTAR website, I need to submit 3 A3 size portfolios of building may I know how should it be like ? I completely no idea about this (can you tell me where can I find examples of it?)
Hope you can answer my question, your guidance are highly appreciated. thank you
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Hello there.

Architecture isnt hard to study. Learning is probably something everyone knows how to do. It's the output that kills u.

Architecture dont have a lot of exams. In its place, we have crits. It's rigorous, hectic yet fluid and dynamic and most of the time unpredictable. Its where u show the others the work u have done and get scrutinized for it.

U might have worked day and night to produce a design based on what u have learned (and im sure uve learned alot). But on crit day u realized the subtle things in the brief that u thought was unimportant suddenly become the determining factor in ur failure.

Just look at the requirement for applying. It sounds simple, right? Just three A3s of any building. Yet u have absolutely no idea what they want, right? Trust me, go look it up the web and they'll give u a bunch of different answers.

Even asking the previous students might give u a different answer too. So u might opt for just doing whatever u like, and suddenly be scrutinized for ur choice where u were unable to defend. Just a simple matter of choice and get grilled for it.

Studying part is easy. But every semester they'll ask u to produce, produce, produce. U need the mental power and stamina to absorb knowledge and be squeezed like a sponge at the same time.
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QUOTE(AKG @ Oct 5 2015, 08:23 PM)
A big thank you for your advice. I'll take note of all that.

Another question here need your help, if I study in..like UTAR is it after I finish the degree course and I also obtained the part one qualification or I have to go take LAM exam individually ?

And is it UTAR have accreditation from LAM ? Did I saw the correct thing at LAM website ?

Thank you. thumbup.gif  notworthy.gif
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Yes, UTAR is indeed accredited for part 1. Which means u dont have to sit for the part 1 exam, assuming u graduate before its expiry date wink.gif.
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QUOTE(AKG @ Oct 7 2015, 08:08 AM)
Don't think so can graduate before the expiry date 2018 since intake is on January.

First of all, not manage to find an example of portfolios too many different type of portfolio flowing around in Internet,do you mind to attach a photo or website please ? I got completely no idea how portfolios should look like. Thank you
There are no standard. Portfolios are collection of works which show certain skill sets that one possesses. In this case they want it about buildings. But u can use any means to showcase ur interest in it. It could be freehand sketches, paintings, photography, 3d modelling, scaled models or whatever combination u prefer.

Architecture is about creativity. Go crazy. U just need to prove that u did the works, thats all.

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Whenever I told or asked anyone about architecture course, their first respond will be like are you crazy ? Architecture very difficult easy to get in and many ended up fail the course..all of them are asking me to choose another course.. doh.gif
I did know that this course have high drop out rate..I'm kinda afraid I will fail the course furthermore UTAR grading system quite strict sweat.gif


In general, IPTS' gradings tend to be more liberal than IPTA's. So u are safer.

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Can I know drawing of portfolios are more using of computer or hand drawing ?


Usually handdrawn works are preferred as the assessors dont need to prove that its yours.

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Lastly can I know how LAM exam be like ? Basically need to do portfolios or something ? (Sorry for troubling u,I got no other places to ask)

Thank you very much.
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LAM exam come in stages. U do need a portfolio, in which will be reviewed and u will be interviewed on ur knowledge and skills about architectural practice.

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