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post Jan 5 2015, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(Propernormal @ Jan 5 2015, 05:34 AM)

Dear Mr.Azarimy,

I checked the above website but under search I had keyed in List of recognized overseas schools and I don't get any results. Where do I check for the list in this website.

I'm trying to find out if there is any universities here in Malaysia that allow my son to study Foundation.
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hello there. you may find the list here:

http://www.lam.gov.my/accreditation/list-o...ised-programmes

try and use desktop browsers, coz i tried opening it on smartphones but the tabs that shows UK, australian and NZ schools did not appear.

on foundations thingy: any specific reason why u choose foundation? because it would close the doors to all IPTAs as none accepts foundations except for UM's asasi. even A-levels have a better acceptance in case-by-case basis compared to foundations.

but if u do opt for foundations, then look at which private universities you want your so to end up in. for example, if you choose taylor's, then go for their foundation. do note that even IPTSs dont accept foundations from other schools openly.

foundations are fast. no doubt about it. but it's only if you already know which IPTS you wanna end up in.
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post Jan 10 2015, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(antsonatree @ Jan 10 2015, 09:28 AM)
Dear Mr Azarimy,

I stumbled upon this forum and you do seem to be an appropriate person to direct this question to.

I have a sibling who has received offers for architecture for both Monash and Melbourne University and is currently torn between the two. We are well aware that Monash is currently not on the list of accredited universities by the LAM. However, we heard through the grapevine that the LAM will be releasing a new list of accredited universities sometime during January. Do you have any insight as to if and when this will happen? If so, what are Monash's chances of getting on the list? It would make the decision making process very much easier.

Thanks!
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Not sure where u get that info from, because aa one of a handful of people who sits in the accreditation committee, I sure as heck didnt hear any list to be released haha.

What is going to happen is, 2017 will be the last cohort to study using the overseas accredited list that u see currently. After 2017, the list will be obsolete, and no overseas architecture schools will be automatically accredited by LAM. So ur sibling's part 1 (should he/she be going to melbourne) will be accredited, but when he/she wanna continue for part 2, it wont be anymore.

When the automatic accreditation ends, overseas schools whi r interested to continue the accreditation will seek LAM out to arrange for accreditation and vetting process. Should they be successful, they'll be added to a fresh list of accredited schools, just like what happens to local schools.

So by then, ur sibling could choose to further in those schools instead. For now, my suggestion is to go to melbourne.
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QUOTE(antsonatree @ Jan 10 2015, 10:24 AM)
Thank you so much for your prompt reply!
I have further questions if you don't mind.

1. How does accreditation work? Is it based on 'when X graduates' or 'when X enters into university'?

2. I'm not sure if you are aware, but Melbourne University introduced its new model in 2008, which means that current architecture students obtain a degree called Bachelor of Environments (3 years) which is designed to be a general pathway to master degrees in engineering, architecture, surveying and other related fields. Students then go on to do a Masters of Architecture (2 years). We noticed that this differs from "B. Arch / M. Arch (Coursework) - Option C" for University of Melbourne in the LAM list. Does this affect accreditation for Part 1 or Part 2 in any way?

Thank you so much for your time.
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1. Short answer: based on when you graduate. Specifically, the cohort you graduate with. For example, school X is accredited between 2010 to 2015 (typically 5 years). So long as u graduate between those years, u r fine.

If ur cohort (or batch) supposedly graduates 2009, but u for whatever reason had to extend by a year, then ur batchmate will graduate with non-accredited degree, but u will graduate with accredited degree!

Lets say u r supposed to graduate in 2015, but terextend into 2016, then unfortunatelt urs will not be accredited.

2. On this part, let me ask around. Im specialized to UK system. I think another professor specializes in australian school. Let me ask him tmrw, if I can find him.
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QUOTE(xsaintx @ Jan 15 2015, 05:11 AM)
Mr Azarimy,

Working experience (log book) in preparation for part 3 exam commences upon registration of LAM or PAM? As far as I was informed it used to be LAM but was changed to PAM recently. where can I find the info on this?

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im not aware of that change. need to ask around. LAM handles all registrations as far as i'm concerned. PAM only helps on the CPD points.
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post Jan 21 2015, 08:20 AM

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QUOTE(Gundam Masta @ Jan 19 2015, 05:09 PM)
Hi, I've just graduated from a chinese independent high school last year and I'm thinking of studying architecture degree course locally. Any suggestion for local university? and if possible do mention about the pros and cons  tongue.gif

Thanks  rclxms.gif
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hi there. for intakes other than the conventional qualifications, u need to check on the individual universities. i assume u took UEC? at the moment most IPTS (private) take UEC, but not widely accepted for IPTAs (public). but UEC, like STPM or matrics or whatever, only takes u as far as through the intake selections. it really boils down to u and how u perform during studies, which more often than not seems independent off ur background.
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post Jan 25 2015, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(cend @ Jan 25 2015, 08:30 AM)
Yeah I was thinking to change school to pursue my part 2.  nod.gif

Also, should I practice for like 1-2 years as Assistant Architect upon recieving my Part 1 LAM or just go straight to further my study for Masters Part 2 LAM? I heard most of the firms don't want to let you go and tell you going to study is a waste of time etcetera. I was also reading the post you made about Kamil Merican, who also says the same thing when he was invited to give a talk at my school; is Masters Part 2 LAM really worth it rushing for?

Also thanks for the previous replies!
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well first of all, u HAVE to go out and work for at least 6 months before continuing ur part 2. this is the new ruling by LAM, unless u dont plan to have a part 2. it's true, some firms would try their best to not let u go, but then again, they're bound to labour laws, where u do have legal rights. sure, some people might b**** about that their office loves them too much laa whatever laa. but really? if u wanna go, just go laa. it's not like the firm can blacklist u or anything.

good workers are uncommon in architecture profession. if they really like u, they'll wait. if they really, really like u, then the firm may sponsor ur studies a bit (under contract of course). this has happened to a number of my students. it's like, going to study, fully sponsored, and have a job waiting for u when u graduate!

the fact is, there is a shortage of part 1 positions out there, simply because people are going to study straight away. they'll say many things to not let u climb up to their level tongue.gif.
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QUOTE(xsaintx @ Jan 26 2015, 12:38 PM)
Found this
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sorry to take a while to reply. to answer ur earlier question, it seems that the work experience to count for part 2 or part 3 (now even part 2 also need working experience) would depend on when u registered with LAM. although nowadays the process is simplified as people usually register both at the same time, but just in case u're not, then it's always LAM.

QUOTE(KVReninem @ Jan 30 2015, 10:27 AM)
really shortage? wink.gif or was it the industry make it "shortage" by underpaid many of part 1
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that's what we get from the industry feedback in 2014. although underpayment is a real issue, but i dont think it's the main cause of the shortage. there are many firms who pay part 1 to retain them (from continuing studies or moving elsewhere). so i cant possibly think that they retain them by underpaying them...

QUOTE(twskola @ Feb 1 2015, 05:57 PM)
Just wanna ask after completing degree part 1, in order to continue masters part 2 we must work for 6 months? where does the latest information come from upon checking on lam website it is really hard to get info especially on the criteria for part 1 part 2 is not detailed enough anyways i am doing part 1 st taylor's which is accredited
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actually, no, u dont. u only need to work for 6 months IF u wanna enroll to an accredited part 2 masters programme. so if accreditation is not an issue, or u dont plan to continue studying for a while, u dont have to fulfill that 6 months requirement. but then again, schools going for part 2 accreditation like taylor's would require all new candidates to fulfill that requirement before hand.

i'm not sure where it is in LAM's website, but it's been published in the accreditation manual which u can buy from LAM.
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QUOTE(twskola @ Feb 3 2015, 04:38 AM)
http://focusweek.my/Article.aspx?ArticleId=13992 i dont quite understand or is it fake news
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which part do u not understand?
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QUOTE(twskola @ Feb 4 2015, 01:37 PM)
Just read your post on pg 129 thanks for the info this forum is really helpful!!!!! Just a question though if i were to enroll in 2016 and graduate in 2018.. will there still be accredition problem?
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no problem. as mentioned before, as long as u enroll by 2017. basically the target is to have full revocation by 2020.
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QUOTE(Skisz @ Feb 9 2015, 04:19 PM)
Mr Aza, I'm just wondering, if let say, I am attached to the government for 5 years, would it be best to start working with them right after Part 1 or further my Part 2 first and serve later and whom I'm gonna work for?
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there's always the risk that u performed well, too well, that ur superiors would be unwilling to let u go.

i suggest postpone the contract fulfillment until after part 2.
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QUOTE(cend @ Feb 15 2015, 12:11 PM)
Sorry for bothering you again Mr. Azarimy. I'm getting a bit nervous towards my end semester. I'm getting into internship next month.  smile.gif

Is CGPA is something I should not overlook? This whole course is pretty subjective, so does CGPA holds any weight for interviews or job finding especially in architecture firms? Most of my seniors landed a job on the firms they worked during internship (or some of the lecturer's firms), but I wonder if things gone worse and I had too look for another place to work upon graduating. My CGPA falls slightly below the 2nd upper now, so I am out of idea to bump it back up. It just getting worse.
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in architecture, it's safe to say the portfolio carries a helluva lot more weight than CGPA. this has caused some people to "upgrade" their portfolio by redoing some of their works or even claiming somebody else' works as theirs.

CGPA still carry weight when applying for government or non-architecture jobs, or to continue for further studies.
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QUOTE(clare234567 @ Feb 27 2015, 03:11 AM)
I've been thinking of doing a double degree in Architecture, but seems like it'll consume a lot more of my time studying just to get a cert. Any suggestion on should I go for it or not?
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Double degree ia becomin obsolete already. Nowadays go for degree+masters. So it'll be worth more.

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QUOTE(clare234567 @ Feb 27 2015, 03:36 AM)
Errr srry, how does that work? Because I'm still in my 3rd year of degree. If lets say I want to take up a new course (Archi), I should take degree+masters?  hmm.gif
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what degree are u doing now?
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QUOTE(clare234567 @ Feb 27 2015, 05:26 AM)
QS.
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u plan to switch to architecture? well, i have to say it'll be an uphill climb. just like medicine, architecture is something people switch out of, not switch in to.

anyways, if u plan to become an architect, u would have to do the degree all over for 3 years (part 1), and then another 2 years for masters. and yes, that's on top of ur current QS degree. at most, u will be able to transfer a few credits to lessen the load, and this is usually on university subjects (subjek umum).

but if u just want to specialize on architecture but within the QS field, then a research-based masters would be sufficient.
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QUOTE(clare234567 @ Feb 27 2015, 06:49 AM)
Oh wow. I did not plan on switching, just thinking that maybe it would be good to be able to work on both fields when I graduate. I had a friend who have a diploma in QS and currently taking a degree in Archi. I guess she can utilize both of her cert when she works in the future.

Anyways, another 5 years is quite too much.  blush.gif
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Occasionally we do have ppl with dip from other courses joining architecture. But never degree. All of them know the kinda mess they're getting into and well aware of the duration. Thing is they really, really wanna do architecture, but had to take QS coz it wasnt offered to them.

Like i said, if u wanna work in both fields, u have to go through the 5 years. If u only want to specialize, then masters by research is the way. But even that dont have much value in terms of practice. Just specialization or focus. Which very likely not yet needed in current malaysian practice.
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QUOTE(verz84 @ Mar 4 2015, 03:36 AM)
Dear TS,

I would like to inform our friends here that University College Of Technology Sarawak now offers Bachelor Of Science In Architecture ( LAM Part 1 )

We have qualified registered professional architects (Part 3, Part 2) & experience lecturers to assist the students to undergo 3.5 years course with top notch facilities.

We are located in Sibu, Sarawak.

For more info please refer : https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/985976/+160

Website : http://www.ucts.edu.my/

Hope you can include us in your Uni list that offers Architecture course.

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hi, thanks for the update. i assume it's not yet accredited with LAM part 1? coz i cant find it in the list yet http://www.lam.gov.my/accreditation/list-o...ised-programmes

i will update the 1st post as soon as i can. currently a bit swamped with work.
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QUOTE(BudakNkFly @ Mar 4 2015, 03:21 PM)
hye...i'm quite interesting in architecture and design...is it true architecture need physics and addmath?and what gred needed for this course?
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hi there,

a good command over physics is preferred, but not addmath. in fact, in my whole 20 years in this field from being a student to practice to being an academician, never had i used a single chapter of addmaths at any point.

physics is a bonus, but frankly all the physics u need will be taught from scratch, as there are quite a large number of students from art background.

look at both subjects as simply requirements to enroll, but not requirements to do architecture.
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QUOTE(BudakNkFly @ Mar 4 2015, 04:56 PM)
Hmm...but is it difficult for people who study architecture to get a job ?
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it highly depends on how well u performed in school. architecture is a close-knit community, and most of the time we know each other quite well. meaning what u did in school will echo through the industry, and most firms would always keep an eye on high performers in school. coming from a good school also a bonus, as reputation means there's a better tendency that the graduates are very capable designers.

but because architects are trained to be meticulous, the problem with the new generation is that they're very picky on which firm to work in. some are willing to wait for the proper offer to come (or the money) before signing in.

bottom line is, it's competitive to get the best jobs, but certainly not difficult to land A job.
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QUOTE(horngguan @ Mar 6 2015, 05:50 AM)
Hi, thank you for the information. I would like to know what college accepts my spm results? I got an A for english, B for bm, C+ for sejarah,  C for physics and C for pendidikn moral. Unfortunately i did not get credit for maths and im very regretful of that. Is there any way around for this or must i retake my maths? I would like to get an architecture degree but im having a hard time looking for colleges that offer foundations or diplomas with entry requirements that matches my results. What if i did A levels without maths? would i be able to study architecture in uni? Your replies are much appreciated.
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first of all, ur only option for architecture after SPM is diploma (refer to 1st post). there are two general diplomas in architecture u could take: one from private colleges; the other from politeknik. there is no way for u to skip into architecture degree (or any degree for that matter) direct from SPM.

secondly, each school have its own minimum intake requirement. all IPTAs will require BM and maths credit for SPM, regardless whatever u score in diploma, STPM or A-levels. meaning until u buck up ur maths, all IPTA options are closed. in fact, u will be hard pressed to find any architectural degree or diploma that would take anyone without a maths credit.

although u might go somewhere who would take u without the maths credit, it is my professional opinion that u should improve that as many, many options will not be available to u in the future beyond that.

QUOTE(sukjustin3 @ Mar 6 2015, 11:58 AM)
Hi Mr. Architect! I've been following this guide since January, and this is probably the best guide I've stumble upon, clearing any doubts I have on this specific course (Architecture).

I'm looking for a more accurate measurement of CGPA (STPM) that will be more likely considered by any IPTA that offers "SARJANA MUDA SAINS (KEPUJIAN) SENIBINA". In your intro it states a C in Pengajian Am and 2 more C will be sufficient, but I hope for a clearer gauge for the minimum being held out by the IPTAs recently.

I actually utilized the Semak Syarat Kelayakan system for UiTM, link :" http://esyarat.uitm.edu.my/ " and found out my result wasn't good enough to be considered..

I have a CGPA of 2.59 (B/B-/C/B-) and currently in the midst of retaking.
Looking forward and thanks for your reply in advance!  smile.gif
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hello there.

the 2.00 CGPA is not "sufficient", but actually the absolute minimum requirement. meaning nobody below that line can ever join the degree programme, regardless.

currently, the average intake for architecture in most IPTAs are around 3.00 to 3.40. your 2.59 is quite low, where u might not even be called for the interview, regardless of how good u are in the artistic skills. so if u're retaking it, then pray hard it breaks the 3.00 mark.
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QUOTE(mikasaackerman @ Mar 7 2015, 03:25 AM)
Hi, I would just like to inquire for a paper I'm writing.. If i enroll myself in an overseas university to continue my studies for Part II, but later after completing my studies i find out that the university is not recognized by LAM for Part II. What should I for to achieve LAM part II recognition if my school is not recognized for Part II?

From what my friends tell me, I have to take an exam(?) but other than that are there any other requirements/steps I need to take(?).
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Technically, i cant imagine a situation where u can "suddenly" find out the programme is unaccredited. U can check the accreditation now before u leave to study there. So u should know what u r getting into.

But assume u do come home with an unaccredited degree, then yes, u will need to sit for the exam. You have to have all works done during ur studies ready, and i do mean everything, including group assignments and stuffs. Then ensure ur portfolio is up to date.

Then go to LAM and register urself for the exam. They'll instruct u on what to do next.

QUOTE(pranita bajoria @ Mar 7 2015, 01:24 PM)
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