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SUSkyheng
post Jun 22 2011, 10:12 AM

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^How sure you are on this? Speculations? Or simple label?
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post Jun 22 2011, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(fazron80 @ Jun 22 2011, 08:15 AM)
I ask because recently went inside a car that won 3rd prize in a SQ competition. There's nothing special that I hear to make him beat other competitors. Perhaps my ear not audiophile enough.
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Mind to share which SQ competition he got 3rd place? and in which category?
Cos there are many category like for beginner/experienced/5ch/7ch...

There are few possibilities:
1. Its a low standard competition
2. There are no competitor in that category
3. Your own listening experience

Its never a myth, you don't need a standard cd to tell the difference...
But standard cd are more like standardize the measuring way for all competitor
and standardize the judging way for all judges... Even a legit CD, it doesn't mean its properly recorded
Its very common that there are few song are better recorded, and few are somewhat different feeling
different country version like japan/germany/us/taiwan/hong kong/china
The same song can sound very different... smile.gif

Its still malaysia, and there are still hanky panky stuff going on, but whoever better still own
If a judge purposely made a wrong judgement, he will be complained and investigated by HQ
It happened few years ago, a local judge was revoked...
(after that, this particular judge start up his own competition rolleyes.gif )




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post Jun 22 2011, 11:15 AM

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Only saw a glimpse of the car's trophy. Karnival belia something. 3rd place in SQ but what category i don't know. Not familiar with category in ICE competition. I only know there's SQ category and another SPL category. Perhaps the judge have sentimental value for blaupunkt since his car all install with blaupunkt brand.
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post Jun 22 2011, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(fazron80 @ Jun 22 2011, 11:15 AM)
Only saw a glimpse of the car's trophy. Karnival belia something. 3rd place in SQ but what category i don't know. Not familiar with category in ICE competition. I only know there's SQ category and another SPL category. Perhaps the judge have sentimental value for blaupunkt since his car all install with blaupunkt brand.
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karnival belia?? ohmy.gif ohmy.gif blink.gif blink.gif shocking.gif shocking.gif shocking.gif
i also don't know whats that... sweat.gif
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post Jun 22 2011, 11:51 AM

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karnival belia is no where near the actual standard of car audio competitions. they judge by how much effort you put into your ride... and of course, how nice it is...

these are the types of competition that always misleading... smile.gif

and individuals always scoring less than acc shops or the sponsors... i guess you havent been to enough competitions or well... its just a simple label....

This post has been edited by craziechild: Jun 22 2011, 11:56 AM
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post Jun 22 2011, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(kyheng @ Jun 22 2011, 08:25 AM)
Your ear no need to be an audiophile ears, it is a myth anyway....
What a judge need is, preception bias and expectation bias....
When a track is being played, the judge are expecting themself to listen to certain things. Like in 1:15 they need to hear kickdrum playing strong, if got, got point, else, lesser or no point.
That's why they need to have a "standard" CD for this.....
When there's competetions, there's hanky panky stories going on.... Do you ever see private individual can score more points compare to participants from acc shops? Somemore you have to see who sponsored the competetion....
That's another reason why competetion cars usually no for leisure listening....
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how many sides you feel like offending? the whole world until everyone is fed up of you?
as far as i know you dissed car owners, then ICErs, then installers, and now even audiophiles.
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post Jun 22 2011, 12:14 PM

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quazacolt...

get used to it... before he threatens to hurt you, physically... i think we should have fun with it...

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psst... : if you guys are interested with the older version of kyheng here... simply use the search button and type supersound...

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QUOTE(craziechild @ Jun 22 2011, 12:14 PM)
quazacolt...

get used to it... before he threatens to hurt you, physically... i think we should have fun with it... 

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psst... : if you guys are interested with the older version of kyheng here... simply use the search button and type supersound...
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so pro i sked cry.gif
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post Jun 22 2011, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 22 2011, 12:05 PM)
how many sides you feel like offending? the whole world until everyone is fed up of you?
as far as i know you dissed car owners, then ICErs, then installers, and now even audiophiles.
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Local Malaysia ICE competetions only, where's IASCA in Malaysia? This is a good ??? that pending an answer...

QUOTE(pocketcctv @ Jun 21 2011, 11:48 AM)
@kyheng - finally settle with my ICE setup already. Yes,indeed they admit that the connection of the rear speaker is wrong causing polarity issue with it. In the end, I change the entire speaker system for the rear and the side door ones with crossfader and tweeter. smile.gif
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And such way of doing business which I hate also.....

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QUOTE(kyheng @ Jun 22 2011, 01:13 PM)
Local Malaysia ICE competetions only, where's IASCA in Malaysia? This is a good ??? that pending an answer...
And such way of doing business which I hate also.....
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Malaysia one is MASCA loh... Singapore also got SASCA
all linked to IASCA, as for y not using IASCA, because there are some
name copyright issue, was told by a malaysian iasca judge

Not only iasca, here got emma also mah...
but still, there are hanky panky stuff involved
like balloting and etc...
but judging wise, not much people can interfere.

Btw, i hate those cheating shop... mad.gif
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post Jun 22 2011, 01:36 PM

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http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGdS...r1&meta=vc%3Dmy
By typing "MASCA" in yahoo I got the above......
Hanky panky or not, it is another story, what more important is, our sound system shall be tuned to our taste, not others.....
I once came accross a friend that audited my car which using his CD, he said my sound was not centered and the sound stage was too low.... But then he is almost 10cm taller than me... So his ears also higher when sitting in my car...
Not centered because I never use TA... And when I tune to his likings, I found the stage were too high and too narrow....
I even tune my system to the Focal test CD's tracks, again, it ended up I lost more details on my favorite CDs.....
And when comparing those in Focals and original CDs, I found Focal test CDs some were being EQed....
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post Jun 22 2011, 01:50 PM

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i guess your tuning is not as good as you think after all...

so far i have no problem with my ride no matter how tall the person is... as long as he doesnt adjust my seats...
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post Jun 22 2011, 02:59 PM

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^Well, I like such blind assumptions, at any 1 time....
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QUOTE(kyheng @ Jun 22 2011, 02:59 PM)
^Well, I like such blind assumptions, at any 1 time....
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if you're free to make blind assumptions, im sure he can too.
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post Jun 22 2011, 07:53 PM

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Well, what I meant was, he don't who was my friend but can simply accuse? A >57 years old man, usually will lost hearing on higher frequencies.....
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post Jun 22 2011, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(kyheng @ Jun 22 2011, 01:36 PM)
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGdS...r1&meta=vc%3Dmy
By typing "MASCA" in yahoo I got the above......
Hanky panky or not, it is another story, what more important is, our sound system shall be tuned to our taste, not others.....
I once came accross a friend that audited my car which using his CD, he said my sound was not centered and the sound stage was too low.... But then he is almost 10cm taller than me... So his ears also higher when sitting in my car...
Not centered because I never use TA... And when I tune to his likings, I found the stage were too high and too narrow....
I even tune my system to the Focal test CD's tracks, again, it ended up I lost more details on my favorite CDs.....
And when comparing those in Focals and original CDs, I found Focal test CDs some were being EQed....
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Is it the same song you are comparing? in ori cd and focal cd
which part of details you are losing?

If you never use TA, you will most likely hearing more sound from right as its nearer to our ear, which will create imbalance staging, very far left and very narrow right... I can't discuss much without auditing your car though...
hehehe... biggrin.gif
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post Jun 22 2011, 09:54 PM

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So, my story is like this :
I downloaded the Focal disc first from DIYMA, looks good then I source the original CD(which took me quite some effort).. Please support original if you are happy with the downloaded copy. This is my concept.....
Then when listen to it on the both copy, for sure the original sounded better.... But then I still feel lack of something(especially some trance songs).... This makes me get another 2 CDs from the orignal singer....
When comparing both(orignal singer vs Focal), found out that the 250Hz area are boosted up a bit and vocal tune down a bit....
Well, if listen for a glance, you won't hear the difference....

I also know that, without TA, the stage will be like what you said.... But for me, I do my settings based on late MJ's Thiller..... Which I like wide footsteps rather than narrow...
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biggrin.gif your story of the height difference suddenly changed to the age-caused-high-freq-hearing-lost just shows how kiasu you are... biggrin.gif

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post Jun 23 2011, 12:01 AM

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^Again, you are dead wrong on this, you simply do blind assumptions without asking what is happening in the first place.....
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post Jun 23 2011, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(craziechild @ Jun 22 2011, 11:51 AM)
karnival belia is no where near the actual standard of car audio competitions. they judge by how much effort you put into your ride... and of course, how nice it is...

these are the types of competition that always misleading... smile.gif

and individuals always scoring less than acc shops or the sponsors... i guess you havent been to enough competitions or well... its just a simple label....
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The owner said blaunpunkt sponsored part of his ICE. So maybe that's why can get 3rd place.

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