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Financial Are property prices going to drop? V2, The heated debate continues

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sulifeisgreat
post Mar 16 2011, 10:40 PM

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tis under table thingy is not a place to be discuss here, unless u like taiping prison with 24 hour security & all meals provided + early morning exercise
I dun care wat they wanna do or how they wanna align mrt from left kok to right kok or back to front nod.gif
ur job is to make use of the resources u have & stay focus to get ur prop
so when u gonna knock on the door of any developer ceo & demand for ur prop rights?
u just see their prop brochure & take the offer which they hav for u. otherwise, walk away la shakehead.gif

QUOTE(dtna7 @ Mar 16 2011, 10:33 PM)
u think the government is so organized?

lol~

clearly you don't seem to know our gomen well...

(all the hard work is done by foreign companies after XXX number of GLCs sub continuously...How would you explain their latest MRT alignment plan without any hard data statistics when questioned?)
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post Mar 16 2011, 11:01 PM

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totila, yes, the debt would roll even bigger & the outcome wil be known in a decade time, u interested to buy an auction unit of ex 220k prop?

dtna7, since u r not naive, wat r your solutions then? whistling.gif

QUOTE(dtna7 @ Mar 16 2011, 10:47 PM)
u really are naive aren't you
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post Mar 16 2011, 11:43 PM

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I naive ma tongue.gif anyway, if u guys read the post abt wat to with 27k, tat will u guys some hope, do think & stay positive icon_rolleyes.gif
the govt, no comment, all tat can be said is y when we got petroleum, singapore currency still higher than us rclxub.gif

QUOTE(dtna7 @ Mar 16 2011, 11:36 PM)
Dun get me wrong, i was solely rebutting on the confidence you put on our gomen.

If you would like my views on the 100% Loan Scheme however, I can only say our gomen has successfully launched yet another stupid phailed project without even doing the basic arithmetic calculations beforehand. They expect fresh graduates to eat broth and breads everyday? Or they are just hinting that you need to lie about your financial status, giving opportunities for these ppl to try out property invesment.

On a side note, no offence but I am way off the 3k requirement already cool2.gif
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Added on March 16, 2011, 11:46 pmit depends, if those 220k buggers request govt increase it to 550k, coz all prop out of reach
then we all know wat happen to fannie mae & freddie mac nod.gif
if govt stick to their guns, then semuanya ok laugh.gif u can buy those auction prop & rent out to them instead

QUOTE(totila @ Mar 16 2011, 11:41 PM)
sigh... if that situation really happen, dunno shud happy o sad...
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post Mar 16 2011, 11:55 PM

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laugh.gif of coz, now which was the funny one who assembled a high level experience team & still we lost pulau branca

QUOTE(totila @ Mar 16 2011, 11:52 PM)
singapore said we dun have natural source, but we also dun hav a bunch of funny management team to manage our country.
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post Mar 22 2011, 09:17 PM

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sure boh? laugh.gif
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post Mar 23 2011, 08:02 AM

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during badawi time, prop price no move much, all complain & dun wan take the opportunity to buy, all wan hope & change
of coz at tat time there were new grads coming out, they thought prop price is alwiz there waiting for them doh.gif
then got ge, got hope & change, prop price move, all oso complain rclxub.gif
now the next ge is coming soon, bn seeing how sarawak will perform as a testing ground
wil there be any new grads joining the workforce? should be no more laugh.gif

QUOTE(soongkm @ Mar 23 2011, 05:31 AM)
No la, in this "real world in malaysia" real estate prices will always go up up up .....never come down one...  our beloved superpm got all those ETP, PPT, TTP, TFK blah blah blah to keep this economy going up up and away! 

So no la, where got crash one la.  Waiting for a property crash? no such thing in malaysia one lah....the only direction for real estate prices in malaysia to go is up up and away...just like superman!  Because we got the superpm with all those super jargon such as ETP,NEP, PPT, TTP TFK to keep malaysia going to be a very developed super sophisikasi society of the Super First World by 2020 and we are going down the final lap of very "exciting" time to become a super developed first class nation.

So mana ada property crash...macam-macam ada tapi tiada property crash in malaysia...never will happen one, because we got superpm just like superman to keep the property market and macam-macam things under the matahari in malaysia to go up up and away!


Added on March 23, 2011, 6:50 am

up up and away... but dun know which way la...just need to see which way is going...
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Good analysis! rclxms.gif

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post Mar 25 2011, 09:06 PM

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yes nod.gif there r new grad coming out to work every year
otherwise wat is our local uni for? how abt those colleges with so many students enrollment?
I rent to those new grads, few years back was $1200, now $1700, iproperty says the fake asking rent is $2k rclxub.gif
after 1 to 2 years, they leave & new suckers.. I mean new grads come again to rent (its really all abt location3)

my advise to all those former tenants, is work hard, think smart, save enough & buy your own tongue.gif
bad debt or good debt. it depends on ur perception, of the glass filled half with water mocking story
if complain king, u wil say the cup is half empty doh.gif
if positive mindset, u wil say it is half full laugh.gif

& wat is mean by 'genuine home buyers', when I no intention of selling shakehead.gif
buy, refinance, buy, refinance, buy, refinance until the shit hits the fan
by tat time, we r all in deep shit & those who r waiting, wil be saving even more as they scare of chicken little
since they got no balls to buy now, y would they even hav balls to buy when shit cums?




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post Apr 2 2011, 02:30 PM

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ok la, dun gamble la tongue.gif keep balls at home & kiss it
I was looking at another prop ,where the location got a lot of students around
the prop last transacted price jan2011 was 210k, went there in feb2011 asking 260k, now asking 360k - WTF??! vmad.gif

out there! its a dog eat dog world. chivalry is dead a long time ago. no point trying to change the world, adapt to it & survive cool2.gif
go buy those medium cost apt, rent it out, since ur landlord is doing the same things too hmm.gif
if feel bad depriving them of the medium cost apt, then do some donation to those needy folks brows.gif

QUOTE(TheDoer @ Mar 28 2011, 10:18 AM)
You're right,  if you can't beat them, join them.  The world is not perfect, lets exploit it.

It's called a 'home' for a reason.  So what if your home is worth much less than you paid for? It's still your home.   But your investment, now that's a different story.

If balls are needed, then it's a gamble. Why gamble with your "home"?  That's crazy. Buy only what we can afford.  Conclusion right now... cannot afford. It's not gambling.
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post May 26 2011, 05:21 PM

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SURE BOH now alredi middle of year 2011 & the thread title is misleading biggrin.gif

I was busy & no time to do mocking. hehe.. busy liquidating some equities & pumping into properties icon_idea.gif
its good to reapportion capital regularly & dun just leave the equities for cucu benefit laugh.gif
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post May 26 2011, 05:38 PM

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whether we like it or not, facts r stubborn things
either u accept it or go under tempurung nod.gif
there were some irresistible good deals around lately wub.gif

my criteria is the rakyat/ foreign students must have the affordability to rent from me
I not flipping type, can't make fast bucks & becum billionaire laugh.gif
until the usa federal reserve start raising int rate, the party is still not over rclxm9.gif

heck! even if prop rise 10% annually fr yr 2008 & drop 20% in yr 2018. its stil better than fd & beats inflation too brows.gif

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post May 26 2011, 06:41 PM

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laugh.gif well at least we r taking a stand & making decision, no right or wrong wink.gif as long as we beating inflation/ fd int rate, its goodie thumbup.gif

QUOTE(22222222 @ May 26 2011, 05:51 PM)
haha....i and u terbalik......i selling my property and going to equities..... biggrin.gif

Exchange...exchange...loh!
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post May 27 2011, 10:26 AM

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aiyo doh.gif the previous policy was to allow those without stable income to buy many properties
since they definitely cannot pay loan, then sure default la doh.gif doh.gif tat is y its called SUBPRIME
anyway, all the article imply is things r still bad in usa
so they can't raise interest rate yet or it will kill the fragile economy doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
means inflation mode still on & those who keep money in fd will have to park it elsewhere to get better returns rclxm9.gif
those waiting price drop, good luck & how is the battle betwn inflation & u doing laugh.gif GREAT brows.gif
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post Jun 1 2011, 02:37 PM

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SURE BOH

well, usa give out subprime loan & they kena subprime full effect
their bankers package those loan & sell it as cds internationally, so international bankers kena effect too laugh.gif

is supply more than demand or the other way round? tis peak bubble teori by most of the pessimistic forumers is based on..? I agree there r up & down BUT we in a cycle la doh.gif the yr 2008 crisis is not even 3 tahun cool2.gif

1) By March 2009, Najib was talking about 60,000 unemployed graduates. This was more or less in line with the 57,701 graduate registrants on the Exchange in March 2009.
http://anilnetto.com/democracy/workers-rig...es-in-malaysia/

2) Selangor’s high population growth rate and high housing to living quarters ratio suggests fundamental support for housing price increases
http://econsmalaysia.blogspot.com/2010/12/...010-report.html

3) The UK property market has hit rock bottom and will begin to turn around ahead of Christmas, it is claimed. But the recovery will be slow rather than a return to boom and bust, according to the Centre for Economics and Business Research.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13...o=feeds-newsxml

4) Financing conditions remained supportive of economic activity. The ready access to financing, relatively low cost of borrowing and ample liquidity in the financial system supported the demand for financing from both the private and
public sectors.
http://www.bnm.gov.my/files/publication/ar...xec_summary.pdf
http://www.bnm.gov.my/files/publication/ar..._table_A.04.pdf
http://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public/--...wcms_101733.pdf

The reason is that a man may see straight and clearly and yet become impatient or doubtful when the market takes its time about doing as he figured it must do. That is why so many men in Wall Street, who are not at all in the sucker class, not even in the third grade, nevertheless lose money.

The market does not beat them. They beat themselves, because though they have brains they cannot sit tight. Old Turkey was dead right in doing and saying what he did. He had not only the courage of his convictions but the intelligent patience to sit tight.

Disregarding the big swing and trying to jump in and out was fatal to me. Nobody can catch all the fluctuations. In a bull market your game is to buy and hold until you believe that the bull market is near its end. To do this you must study general conditions and not tips or special factors affecting individual stocks. Then get out of all your stocks; get out for keeps!

Wait until you see -- or if you prefer, until you think you see the turn of the market; the beginning of a reversal of general conditions. You have to use your brains and your visionto do this; otherwise my advice would be as idiotic as to tell you to buy cheap and sell dear.
http://emergingthemes.blogspot.com/2008/09...-livermore.html

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post Jun 1 2011, 02:50 PM

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of coz, earning the moolah in real cold hard cash & enjoying the fruit of capitalism is much better than syiok sendiri to make oneself feeling better. BECAREFUL icon_idea.gif those report / data / trend chart is time lagging


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post Jun 1 2011, 04:14 PM

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yes, but there r many pessimistic peak gloomers around biggrin.gif
they need to check with their datuk & nenek tongue.gif
if they could turn back time, would they have bought prop with their savings or take some loan to finance it hmm.gif

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post Jun 1 2011, 04:32 PM

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life is all abt taking risk, the decision to do or not to do, would depend on ur own experience & balls shakehead.gif
the younger u r, the more risk u can take. even if u lose it all, u can work as coolie. if old liao, better dun la shocking.gif

QUOTE(sampool @ Jun 1 2011, 04:28 PM)
if u ask them... 100% will said REGRET to BUY... But, during that time they hv many children to take care all need makan2.. But, now some gorenger is unmarried or no child to take care.. dare to fail..  laugh.gif
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this thread is gonna go off track from prop but challenges r alwiz fun laugh.gif U all know la wat happens then thumbup.gif anyway, mark tips on risk is goodie rclxms.gif
http://www.controlledgreed.com/2006/12/mark_mobius_200.html

Mark Mobius: 2007 Good Year for International Equity

Well, it's the time of year when the press is full of predictions for the next one. Some are more worthy of our interest than others.

One guy I enjoy reading is, as you know, Mark Mobius. Not because I'm big into emerging markets investing. I'm not. But because he applies a bottom-up, value approach to an area populated by momentum players.

Mobius addressed the Reuters Investment Outlook 2007 Summit in New York from Dubai. He said a flood of money being sent overseas by American investors, reasonable equity valuations and worldwide optimism all point to 2007 being another good year for international markets.

Mobius also stated that hedge funds, private equity money and institutions have supplied international markets with plenty of liquidity. He believes global markets on the whole haven't reached bubble territory

http://valuestockplus.net/2007/07/15/inves...by-mark-mobius/

“Do not be afraid of taking risks. Without risk there is no way your portfolio can achieve superior investment returns. Risk is everywhere, it is something that appears dangerous not only to you but to everyone around you. But, at the same time, risk-taking must be carefully planned and researched so that your chances are better than 50/50. This is not roulette.

QUOTE(Bobby C @ Jun 1 2011, 04:52 PM)
When Mark speaks, I listen.

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.c...ius-derivatives

But over in My, stupid local politics will be the main factor how it going to swing. Oh, they play v your money and my money mah. biggrin.gif

Go some wind things might not look so good after GE 2012-2013. 2014 beyond? Nobody knows even Oxford Business school understand reduce they previous teaching from 10yr planning to 5 yr planning and now down 3 yrs planning. Thing changes too quickly.
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post Jun 1 2011, 05:28 PM

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encik mark prediction for yr 2007 is global markets on the whole haven't reached bubble territory. his prediction for yr2008 lagi best rclxms.gif do note date of article & check timeline of chart for dow jones etf thumbup.gif
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.c...mobius/recent/4

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Credit trauma could be nearing end: Mark Mobius
April 18, 2008 | By Bloomberg
Templeton Asset Management's Mark Mobius said the credit market crisis that's caused $245 billion of losses at banks and brokerages is "near the end". The fund manager, who oversees $47 billion in emerging market equities, said he has been buying shares of banks including Bank of China and Industrial & Commercial Bank of China. Malaysian equities are also becoming "more and more attractive", he said in a Bloomberg Television interview on Thursday. The MSCI World Index has gained 8.4% since closing at a 17-month low on March 17 after JPMorgan Chase & Co rescued Bear Stearns and the Federal Reserve cut rates to shore up confidence in the financial system.

'Impact of US subprime on markets over'
September 13, 2007 | By AGENCIES
SEOUL: The impact of US subprime mortgage losses on global markets is 'over' but the economic fallout may last another 'three to four years,' according to Mark Mobius, managing director of Templeton Asset Management. "You must separate the economic impact and the stock market impact," Mobius, who oversees $38 billion of emerging-market assets, told reporters in Seoul on Wednesday. "The stock market has already discounted all of the subprime problem. " Concerns of widening credit crisis, sparked by losses on US home loans made to higher-risk borrowers, would derail global economic growth had triggered an equities selloff in July.


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post Jun 1 2011, 08:32 PM

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those r prop flippers rclxms.gif & yes opportunities r alwiz around if take the effort to look for it
abt the market.. its just like standing on the beach & letting the waves come touch ur feet & then the wave roll back out again. no point trying to chase the wave nod.gif

QUOTE(Bobby C @ Jun 1 2011, 06:12 PM)
The same article also said:-

“Make volatility your friend. All markets are volatile. They are like a combustible material. You can warm up gasoline to a certain temperature but once it reaches its combustion point all hell breaks loose. The market is a little lik e that. The difference is that the market survives to see another day. But these market explosions give us an opportunity to sell high and buy low since the manic-depressive nature of markets means that they will rise a heck of a lot more than they should and fall a heck of a lot more than they should too.”
I met one smart alec entered in early 2009 bought 6 units, sold all in late 2010 making cool >1 mil hard cash. These are the champ. Glad didn't take the bite from her in 2010. Stay cool, opportunities always around.  whistling.gif
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if u open ur eyes & really look around
property price is really up, I did not hope for it, its true doh.gif
u can concentrate on whatever report / data / trend chart to dream it wil go down
shiok nya...

QUOTE(wwwcomment @ Jun 1 2011, 05:30 PM)
Again.
For those hoping property price up
They will just concentrate on whatever report / data / trend chart to support themselves
shiok nya...
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post Jun 2 2011, 02:41 PM

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interesting, so u fall under which category? coz I dun see u posting topics abt no. 1 nor 2 smile.gif
majority forumers dream of prop price falling, means I did not successfully plant idea into anyone's head laugh.gif

QUOTE(lucerne @ Jun 2 2011, 02:27 PM)
precisely!
I would like to share a joke here:
世上有两件事很难:
            一是把自己的思想装进别人的脑袋。
            二是把别人的钱装进自己的口袋。
            前者成功的叫老师。
            后者成功的叫老板。
            两者都成功了的叫老婆。
            两者都做反的是老公。
            A brief translation for those inter
ested:

            Two things in life that are difficult to achieve:-

            1.    to plant your idea in someone's head

            2.    to plant someone's money in your own pocket.
            o      He who succeeds in the former - we call
teacher; ... Lao Shi

            o      He who succeeds with the latter - we call boss.
..... Lao Ban

            o      The one who succeeds in both - we call wife; .... Lao
Por

            o      The one who fails in both - we call husband.
..... Lao Gong

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