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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club - The Kop Talks 2011, Liverpool 3-1 MU- Suarez+Kuyt Combo!

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post Mar 13 2011, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Mar 12 2011, 11:03 AM)
Sometimes, I wonder if Torres leaving Liverpool FC is actually a blessing in disguise, he has never been a prolific striker playing alongside another striker since his days in Atletico Madrid with Kun Aguero, Liverpool with Robbie Keane and Spain with David Villa, I wonder if he is one who needs the ball with him all the time in order for him to perform. Although he scores plenty through tap ins as well as headers, I'm starting to think that perhaps his positioning sense is nowhere near other strikers.

Suarez on the other hand may not be as clinical as our previous number 9 when it comes to scoring, outperforms Torres when it comes to dribbling, flair as well as playing as a team player. Very often I see Torres tried to dribble past 2 or 3 defenders like as if he's got the techniques of Lionel Messi or Thierry Henry, let's not kid ourselves, he doesn't have that.

He's got an elegant feet when it comes to finishing as well as the flair, strength and pace that most strikers want, that is I guess why Chelsea wanted him so badly. However, his amount of goals covered up the fact that he's actually a striker that needs to ball played to his foot and scores more often off dribbling.

With the presence of Suarez, even Dirk Kuyt who could only aim the wood work, scored a famous hat trick at Anfield against Man Utd. Told my mates, Torres might brick those goals, due to his positional sense.

That being said, I'm not being bitter, it's just based on my observation.
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We will have to see how good Carroll is if his departure was indeed a blessing in disguise. But your observation on Torres's positioning has its merits i reckon. Torres once said that Rafa worked tirelessly to improve his positioning, he would tell him exactly where to be within the box and which particular post to attack.

The comparison between him and Suarez is a bit unfair tho imo. They're both completely different kind of players altogether. Suarez is obviously the better dribbler but Torres didn't have to dribble as much because he normally played off the defender's shoulder. Most of the time, he only had a defender and the goalkeeper to beat. A quick turn and a burst of pace, and he was on his way towards the goal. As a finisher, he is as deadly as a striker can be. He has scored numerous headers and from variety of angles and range.

The one thing that i feel is his weakness is that he has this methodological approach when tyring to get into scoring position - the most obvious one was that he would stay on the defender's weaker side and look to skin him with pace. It's predictable and even the most average defender can have a good day against him. Suarez, on the other hand plays more like a no 7. He drifts everywhere and has plethora of methods when attacking the goal. And his impulsiveness makes him very unpredictable and a pain to play against.

I'm not one to cry over spilled milk but what a combo these 2 players would have made. Kinda like the a good cop and bad cop scenario. One plays by the book, the other doesn't. Pity that it was not meant to be.
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QUOTE(hfi @ Mar 13 2011, 01:18 PM)
We will have to see how good Carroll is if his departure was indeed a blessing in disguise. But your observation on Torres's positioning has its merits i reckon. Torres once said that Rafa worked tirelessly to improve his positioning, he would tell him exactly where to be within the box and which particular post to attack.

The comparison between him and Suarez is a bit unfair tho imo. They're both completely different kind of players altogether. Suarez is obviously the better dribbler but Torres didn't have to dribble as much because he normally played off the defender's shoulder. Most of the time, he only had a defender and the goalkeeper to beat. A quick turn and a burst of pace, and he was on his way towards the goal. As a finisher, he is as deadly as a striker can be. He has scored numerous headers and from variety of angles and range.

The one thing that i feel is his weakness is that he has this methodological approach when tyring to get into scoring position - the most obvious one was that he would stay on the defender's weaker side and look to skin him with pace. It's predictable and even the most average defender can have a good day against him. Suarez, on the other hand plays more like a no 7. He drifts everywhere and has plethora of methods when attacking the goal. And his  impulsiveness makes him very unpredictable and a pain to play against.

I'm not one to cry over spilled milk but what a combo these 2 players would have made. Kinda like the a good cop and bad cop scenario. One plays by the book, the other doesn't. Pity that it was not meant to be.
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I don't know my observation right or wrong. But what I observed is that since the injury spell, Torres pace is no longer like previous. Seldom able to beat off defender with pace.
Same with Owen.

In term of positioning, Owen is better.

I don't like to see striker is playing off the shoulder of opponent defender, instead should drift out the opponent defender and create space for himself as well as create opportunity for your teamate for pass.
Playing off shoulder, mean you either have very good dribble skill to beat them or pace to get rid the defender. If not, most of the time, lose the ball by crowded out by opponent defender only.


Added on March 13, 2011, 3:50 pm
QUOTE(nando @ Mar 13 2011, 12:59 PM)
he talks about liverpool because that is what the press likes to ask him..to compare Chelsea with Liverpool....But i wonder if he can actually turn down such interviews.  At this stage, the less said, the better for everyone. 
but the more interviews he gives, the more we can see what was in his mind during his last year with us.....darn..if i have half his talents and can play for the club, i will run myself to the ground week in and week out for the club...(See Kuyt)

Lets hope Suarez and AC can do a good job and confirm that this is what the phrase `blessings in disguise' is created for!
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Don't need to turn down.
Even being asked, you have the choice not to speak issue related to Liv and speak on matter on new club only.

See how KD response to the reporters question.

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post Mar 13 2011, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 13 2011, 03:47 PM)
I don't know my observation right or wrong. But what I observed is that since the injury spell, Torres pace is no longer like previous. Seldom able to beat off defender with pace.
Same with Owen.

In term of positioning, Owen is better.

I don't like to see striker is playing off the shoulder of opponent defender, instead should drift out the opponent defender and create space for himself as well as create opportunity for your teamate for pass.
Playing off shoulder, mean you either have very good dribble skill to beat them or pace to get rid the defender. If not, most of the time, lose the ball by crowded out by opponent defender only.


Added on March 13, 2011, 3:50 pm
Don't need to turn down.
Even being asked, you have the choice not to speak issue related to Liv and speak on matter on new club only.

See how KD response to the reporters question.
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when suffered a serious injury, striker will tend to lose that explosive pace. Owen, Shearer experienced that before. usually, after losing that attribute, striker normally will change his game like ability to find space and get in front of defender to win the ball. Positioning play. if the striker have physical advantage, he might be able to power his way past a defender (like Christian Vieri used to do) unless got crowded by defenders.

Like bro hfi mentioned, Torres and Suarez are 2 different players. Suarez are more versatile in terms of role playing. striker, support striker, winger, Suarez able to play that anytime. Torres better off as striker to make use of his finishing prowess. currently, from what i seen so far, EPL defenders will have torrid time against suarez for this and next season sice he is new to EPL and defenders will find it hard to read his movement. the interesting part will be the season after next season when defenders finally learned about Suarez movement and trickery, we will see how Suarez adapt to that to become a far more better footballer than what he is now. i'm really sure with his determination to win, he will succeed.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 13 2011, 03:47 PM)
I don't know my observation right or wrong. But what I observed is that since the injury spell, Torres pace is no longer like previous. Seldom able to beat off defender with pace.
Same with Owen.

In term of positioning, Owen is better.

I don't like to see striker is playing off the shoulder of opponent defender, instead should drift out the opponent defender and create space for himself as well as create opportunity for your teamate for pass.
Playing off shoulder, mean you either have very good dribble skill to beat them or pace to get rid the defender. If not, most of the time, lose the ball by crowded out by opponent defender only.


Added on March 13, 2011, 3:50 pm
Don't need to turn down.
Even being asked, you have the choice not to speak issue related to Liv and speak on matter on new club only.

See how KD response to the reporters question.
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There is nothing wrong playing off the defender's shoulder especially if you're a player with a decent amount of pace. The midfield ususally provides the ball for the striekr to run towards to, so really there's very little dribbling going around - it's mostly a sprint off. Usually, the defender will quite often be caught at disadvantage because A) His back is facing the goal B) The striker anticipating the pass will be half facing towards the goal. In regards to Torres, well he or the coach/manager may feel that playing off the defender's shoulder is the best option for him to attack the goal. One of his greatest strength is his explosive pace, so it makes a lot of sense to position him as further up as possible. The further back and away from the defender, the less potent his pace will be. Having said this, he's not getting any younger and as such, his pace may have deteriorated and the injuries may have set him back a bit.
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post Mar 13 2011, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Mar 13 2011, 01:18 PM)
We will have to see how good Carroll is if his departure was indeed a blessing in disguise. But your observation on Torres's positioning has its merits i reckon. Torres once said that Rafa worked tirelessly to improve his positioning, he would tell him exactly where to be within the box and which particular post to attack.

The comparison between him and Suarez is a bit unfair tho imo. They're both completely different kind of players altogether. Suarez is obviously the better dribbler but Torres didn't have to dribble as much because he normally played off the defender's shoulder. Most of the time, he only had a defender and the goalkeeper to beat. A quick turn and a burst of pace, and he was on his way towards the goal. As a finisher, he is as deadly as a striker can be. He has scored numerous headers and from variety of angles and range.

The one thing that i feel is his weakness is that he has this methodological approach when tyring to get into scoring position - the most obvious one was that he would stay on the defender's weaker side and look to skin him with pace. It's predictable and even the most average defender can have a good day against him. Suarez, on the other hand plays more like a no 7. He drifts everywhere and has plethora of methods when attacking the goal. And his  impulsiveness makes him very unpredictable and a pain to play against.

I'm not one to cry over spilled milk but what a combo these 2 players would have made. Kinda like the a good cop and bad cop scenario. One plays by the book, the other doesn't. Pity that it was not meant to be.
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wasn't comparing the both of them, but was questioning if Torres actually succeed or fail playing next to him. As I said, he scores more often off the dribble rather than tap ins, which he has bricked quite a few already. As for his headers, he did score a few as I have mentioned, but if you were to put another striker in front, he might not have score as much. Kuyt scored 3 goals the other day, but it was because of his striking instincts that gave him those positions, would Torres scored any that day if those chances were gifted to him? Maybe yes, maybe no, but from my observation and thanks to youtube, tap ins have never been his forte, which is perhaps why we love watching him so much, don't lie, scoring a goal off the dribble is definitely more impressive than scoring through just shooting or heading.

This is perhaps why he is inferior when compared to Villa, Villa's finishing may be better, but he's also one who gets into better goal scoring positions. If you ask me, now that Suarez is here, would I take Fowler or Torres, I'd take God anytime, but as an individual, Torres was definitely a better player.
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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Mar 13 2011, 05:30 PM)
wasn't comparing the both of them, but was questioning if Torres actually succeed or fail playing next to him. As I said, he scores more often off the dribble rather than tap ins, which he has bricked quite a few already. As for his headers, he did score a few as I have mentioned, but if you were to put another striker in front, he might not have score as much. Kuyt scored 3 goals the other day, but it was because of his striking instincts that gave him those positions, would Torres scored any that day if those chances were gifted to him? Maybe yes, maybe no, but from my observation and thanks to youtube, tap ins have never been his forte, which is perhaps why we love watching him so much, don't lie, scoring a goal off the dribble is definitely more impressive than scoring through just shooting or heading.

This is perhaps why he is inferior when compared to Villa, Villa's finishing may be better, but he's also one who gets into better goal scoring positions. If you ask me, now that Suarez is here, would I take Fowler or Torres, I'd take God anytime, but as an individual, Torres was definitely a better player.
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Hmm am i right to assume that you're unhappy that he didn't score enough tap ins ? Torres was an impressive striker for us. He scored nearly a 100 goals and not a single one of those goals were from either a freekick or penalty. He made his own chances and even scored from half chances. He may not have scored enough tap ins but the same rule can be applied to Kuyt yes ? Can Kuyt score the goals that Torres has scored ? At the end of the day, no player is perfect. Suarez may be the flavor of the month but lets not forget that Torres was simply magic during his first season with us, scoring 33 goals.
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QUOTE(hfi @ Mar 13 2011, 05:47 PM)
Hmm am i right to assume that you're unhappy that he didn't score enough tap ins ? Torres was an impressive striker for us. He scored nearly a 100 goals and not a single one of those goals were from either a freekick or penalty. He made his own chances and even scored from half chances. He may not have scored enough tap ins but the same rule can be applied to Kuyt yes ? Can Kuyt score the goals that Torres has scored ? At the end of the day, no player is perfect. Suarez may be the flavor of the month but lets not forget that Torres was simply magic during his first season with us, scoring 33 goals.
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I'm afraid you got me wrong, I was just saying that Torres may not be at his best when playing next to Suarez, certain players need the ball to be good, certain players are best off the ball. Torres' contribution, I will never forget, however there is a reason why he never shines when playing in the national team.

I may sound bitter, but I no longer am

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QUOTE(digilife @ Mar 13 2011, 05:56 PM)
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Suso,Sterling,Coady, Robinson. bro, LFCTV is it free ?
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here streaming

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Added on March 13, 2011, 8:06 pmwatching live streaming now...good free kick by suso and sterling just made a messi run

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QUOTE(leaF @ Mar 13 2011, 07:42 PM)
here streaming

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Added on March 13, 2011, 8:06 pmwatching live streaming now...good free kick by suso and sterling just made a messi run
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looks like we ripped m.u apart rite now...only thing thats missing was a goal..suso,sterling best player on the pitch rolleyes.gif
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raheem is wearing no 7 rite?

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Is there another link? I'm just getting the news and cricket.
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