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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club - The Kop Talks 2011, Liverpool 3-1 MU- Suarez+Kuyt Combo!

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post Feb 13 2011, 05:31 PM

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Yesterday was not a good performance, Wigan got more dangerous attack several occassion.

But with a little bit of luck, Liv can win the game, with Suarez hit the post in the first half and hit the cross bar in second half. Poor finishing and final third passing.
Wasted freekick in good position.
Somemore, Wigan goal was clearly offside, other than that, Reina has not much to do.
Even though Reina has nothing much to do, it was a poor performance, and lack of spark in general.
Players simply look jaded.

A big disappointment, when watching the game.
But positive note is that Liv is scoring in every match now since after KD took over.

No more PL game until end of the month for Liv.
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post Feb 14 2011, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(darth6 @ Feb 13 2011, 08:00 PM)
But yesterday he was rubbish,shouldn't switch Raul with him.
Frankly speaking we weren't playing quite well yesterday,our first touches were out of place and quite a lot of misunderstanding passes.

It's okay though,a draw is better than a lost.
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KD has little choice, Meireles was subbed due to sickness.

Sub Meireles with Ngog is a positive substituition, KD can go for Poulsen, play ultra-defensive, to see out the draw 1-0, but opt for striker to get second insurance goal.

Yes, yesterday was a lacklustre performance in general. Just hope it is one off match.

I prefer the 5 man defender with wing back like against Chelsea, more fluidity in passing.
The diamond formation yesterday, seem players cannot adapt with it, passing go hair-wired.
May be more training needed.


Added on February 14, 2011, 12:41 amOne thing I noticed that in yesterday match, there was a lot of discussion between Steve Clark and KD during the match.

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post Feb 16 2011, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(rushmode @ Feb 16 2011, 04:49 PM)
i watched the manc derby last week and when i saw the attendance (close to 76k) it crossed my mind that anfield could only get bit more than half of that if managed to get full house. so (just to simplify it) their revenue is almost double from what we get per game. i hope John Henry is planning to expand Anfield in very near future. 75k seater is too much and i doubt we could fill it up. 55k - 60k is more realistic.
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Anfield only can fill up 4x,xxx, a 50~60k stadium is something a must in the future.

I would say a 60K stadium is urgency needed.

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post Feb 16 2011, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(rushmode @ Feb 16 2011, 06:46 PM)
John Henry did said in a press conf a while back that they are looking a way to stay at anfield. they done the same with red sox fenway park so if they can expand anfield section by section (like the manc did) then I think most fans would be delighted. nothing wrong with building a new stadium but i guess majority of reds prefer to stay at renovated anfield.
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Build a double storey stadium? rclxms.gif

I reckon the reason of why proposal opt for new stadium is that expanding existing stadium may not cost effective than totally new one, after taking all the consideration cost.

But remain at the old stadium has a lot of sentiment issue as well.

No matter how, whether expanding or new stadium, either one must be carried out in near future.
To compete at top level, you need financial power. It is pre-requisite in today football.
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post Feb 17 2011, 01:40 PM

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I would say near 55-60K seat stadium is optimum capacity.
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post Feb 19 2011, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(Petre @ Feb 19 2011, 04:17 PM)
with 3 CBs, i think we finally found a way to include insua in the team. cant we recall insua and put johnson back to the right side?
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How about Kelly? Perform quite solidly since KD put him at RB.

Liv defensive record suddenly become better after KD in charge.

For defensive part, Kelly is better.
For offensive, Johnson is better.


Added on February 19, 2011, 4:28 pm
QUOTE(hfi @ Feb 19 2011, 12:49 PM)
Even a counter attack football won't cut it with the players we fielded the other night. Which players had pace that night ? Only Johnson and arguably Maxi. The balance seems a bit off. We had little pace and with both Gerrard and Suarez not available, meant we had little goal threat. We also fielded 2 none ball playing central backs which meant our midfield had to drop even deeper to collect the ball. Wilson was defensively solid but he offered no width and very little to the passing game. So i think you're right that we had little choice but to deploy a very defensive minded first 11. The game plan was to stifle them and win the tie at Anfield.
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Give KD a break.

It is first time KD in charge for Europe match.

Back in old day, even when KD won league title with Liv in the late 80's, KD never in charge in Europe match, as English team is banned for that time.

European match and PL is totally different front, and play differently.

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post Feb 27 2011, 11:37 PM

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I would say wrong formation with wrong personnel in place.

No meant to criticise KD.
But the whole team out of sort.
No fluidity.
Players look uncomfortable.

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post Feb 28 2011, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(mr_nobigdeal @ Feb 28 2011, 04:09 PM)
we also cant guarantee the Europa place if we keep play like this...
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If someone said can get 6th back Nov/Dec, I bet 90% of fans will take it. tongue.gif
Remember Liv was in relegation zone back then.

Pick up too little points for the 1st half of season.
Not easy to catch up.

After all, there are plenty of hardwork need to be done.
We cannot expect Liv suddenly win every match after KD took over.
I can see, a lot of experience work still in progress.
The team not yet settle down what formation, what players at which position.

Yesterday was outplayed by opponent, a poor game.
Just hope it is one off.
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post Mar 2 2011, 02:32 PM

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Chance of CL is very slim only.

But football is round, anything can happen.

Just prior to the defeat of WH, Liv having a run of 6 games without defeat, pickup 14 points.
If repeat this run again, situation can change a lot.

Although I don't expect can achieve 4th or even 5th, but can't rule out all together. If Suarez pick up form, and AC fit again to play, with Gerrard back to full fitness, this team can beat anyone on its day.

I do think KD get it wrong for the WH game by fielding 3 CB.
But get it perfectly against Chelsea.

To be fair, you can't expect manager to get it right each time, as long as lesson learned and move forward.

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post Mar 5 2011, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(kamkamparadise @ Mar 5 2011, 11:52 AM)
maybe that time he was the most outstanding player among other teammates. he did singlehandedly change the match with his tireless run and dynamic ability. nowadays he look like he's running out of juice after series of injury. hopefully he will be back to his best soon. maybe he won't be as explosive as before but surely he will be as effective as before.
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Gerrard is approaching 30 already, still expecting he single handled everything?

He will be one of the legend of Liv club.

FA cup final, last min thunderbolt goals, which eventually win the FA cup afterwards
CL final, from 0-3 down, inspired the team to win the CL cup, as well as at group stage of CL.
and many many more classic matches.
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post Mar 7 2011, 12:42 AM

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The whole stadium signing Happy Birthday... thumbup.gif


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post Mar 7 2011, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Mar 7 2011, 04:17 PM)
Kyrgiakos is pretty decent in the air eh? They mispelt his name on his kit last night. Spelt it "Kygriakos" instead.

On the Carra issue, I've read comments indicating that he is a dirty player but no one seems to have any evidence to back it up. I've followed him since his first game for us, and he has always been a model professional.
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Krygiakos has aerial ability, good header of ball, can score from corner through header, but defence wise is susceptible, like sometimes can out of position, tackling is not as good as Carra.

Good backup, but not solid enough.

Above just my opinion.

Carra is a classic model.
Loyal to the club.
Play with heart
Never complain or having issue with any manager
Fit for season long most of the time. <-- this is quite important for the team as well.
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post Mar 7 2011, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Mar 7 2011, 05:26 PM)
looking at the league table, we are still a massive 15 points away to be in position as running at least for a hope to be in the final places of CL.

i dont want to be too carried away with last nights win. maybe we had already done too much damage to ourselves under Roy.

i still blame (RH) for our timidity this season & by far, far more damaging & poly causing us to runneth 2 years without CL. (despite providing some loose cash for some reinforcement, be it alot, lot, lot higher salary for a almost non existing english player blush.gif & signing 'dependable' pedigree from his old club)

Even the insipid performances in europa cup made LFc fans not watch our games (thus depriving us of much need gate revenue).

We will remain positive still. we might catch spurs (due to their inevitable hiccup form) but top 4... may need some divine intervention  sweat.gif cool2.gif
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This is already achievement (if you are looking at CL spot and count how many points need for the CL place) although CL position is a bit too far to reach.
Remember a few months ago, we are talking fear of relegation. whistling.gif
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post Mar 11 2011, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(leftist @ Mar 11 2011, 03:25 PM)
carra was bad under houllier coz he kept played him as a fullback..when rafa came he convert him to centerback...thats when his performance improved
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Carra was not bad when play as fullback, in term of defensive duty wise, he performed well.
It was the ability of overlapping, putting cross in, aka the attacking wise that make people feel he was bad.

Just like Mascherano was played at RM, resulted players strength is not fully utilised.

Every player has his own strength.
You only get best out of player if you him at right position.
Not every player is a utility type of player and can perform whenever being told to play at where.
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post Mar 12 2011, 12:51 AM

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I don't know why Torres keep on mentioning Liv.

If want to talk good about Chelsea, then just talk how well he feel about Chelsea, don't need to compare with Liv. As simple as that.
Whether how bad was Liv, this is history already, everyone move on and see in front, not look back anymore.


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post Mar 13 2011, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Mar 13 2011, 01:18 PM)
We will have to see how good Carroll is if his departure was indeed a blessing in disguise. But your observation on Torres's positioning has its merits i reckon. Torres once said that Rafa worked tirelessly to improve his positioning, he would tell him exactly where to be within the box and which particular post to attack.

The comparison between him and Suarez is a bit unfair tho imo. They're both completely different kind of players altogether. Suarez is obviously the better dribbler but Torres didn't have to dribble as much because he normally played off the defender's shoulder. Most of the time, he only had a defender and the goalkeeper to beat. A quick turn and a burst of pace, and he was on his way towards the goal. As a finisher, he is as deadly as a striker can be. He has scored numerous headers and from variety of angles and range.

The one thing that i feel is his weakness is that he has this methodological approach when tyring to get into scoring position - the most obvious one was that he would stay on the defender's weaker side and look to skin him with pace. It's predictable and even the most average defender can have a good day against him. Suarez, on the other hand plays more like a no 7. He drifts everywhere and has plethora of methods when attacking the goal. And his  impulsiveness makes him very unpredictable and a pain to play against.

I'm not one to cry over spilled milk but what a combo these 2 players would have made. Kinda like the a good cop and bad cop scenario. One plays by the book, the other doesn't. Pity that it was not meant to be.
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I don't know my observation right or wrong. But what I observed is that since the injury spell, Torres pace is no longer like previous. Seldom able to beat off defender with pace.
Same with Owen.

In term of positioning, Owen is better.

I don't like to see striker is playing off the shoulder of opponent defender, instead should drift out the opponent defender and create space for himself as well as create opportunity for your teamate for pass.
Playing off shoulder, mean you either have very good dribble skill to beat them or pace to get rid the defender. If not, most of the time, lose the ball by crowded out by opponent defender only.


Added on March 13, 2011, 3:50 pm
QUOTE(nando @ Mar 13 2011, 12:59 PM)
he talks about liverpool because that is what the press likes to ask him..to compare Chelsea with Liverpool....But i wonder if he can actually turn down such interviews.  At this stage, the less said, the better for everyone. 
but the more interviews he gives, the more we can see what was in his mind during his last year with us.....darn..if i have half his talents and can play for the club, i will run myself to the ground week in and week out for the club...(See Kuyt)

Lets hope Suarez and AC can do a good job and confirm that this is what the phrase `blessings in disguise' is created for!
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Don't need to turn down.
Even being asked, you have the choice not to speak issue related to Liv and speak on matter on new club only.

See how KD response to the reporters question.

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post Mar 15 2011, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(mangifera @ Mar 15 2011, 04:46 PM)
Yes, I'm totally agree with Gerrard losing his touch. If I could remember starting 08/09 season whereby Gerrard lesser move frantically in the field and trying to score explosive goal with his gifted right foot. He try to score thru curl freekick which totally out of his style (maybe not so much depth for him also). He's an aggressive man and he should be keep aggressive way of playing. I agree his mellow down in his tackle which totally shown maturity as a captain but scoring goal, he needs to keep aggressive as before. It's nothing more explosive than Gerrard's goals from outside of penalty box thumping into the net. It makes you go euphoric!

I think the transformation starts during Rafa's time at Anfield but somehow Gerrard yet to get out of it. I must say Gerrard is a player who need excitement to be excited. After so much disappointment last season and this season, his morale couldn't be any lower. He still instrumental to Liverpool and as a captain, he needs to step up to the plate and proof his worth again.

Maybe UCL qualification next season (or quick fix of winning Europa League this season) could get him back on his feet. It had been 2 disastrous seasons for Liverpool but nonetheless, it's not the end of it. LIverpool is rebuilding; faith and belief are 2 most valuable asset required in fans to keep supporting the club and during this time, the club needs the fans more than any other time.
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My observation, the reason is simply, age catching up.

You lose a little extra energy once age catching up.
Even though some skill still there, vision still got, but you lose a little bit of extra and spark once getting old.

You don't expect a player the reached 30 still as aggressive as 22 or 25.
Time for the club to look beyond Gerrard prime already.
Although Gerrard can still contribute to the team, you can't expect he single handled everything as previous.


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post Mar 19 2011, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(ayam001 @ Mar 18 2011, 09:17 PM)
nice there, i will go fo barca this time.

btw. gerrard can play this sunday match?
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If not mistaken, Gerrard is out of a month.


Added on March 19, 2011, 12:54 am
QUOTE(jason18689 @ Mar 19 2011, 12:37 AM)
Wth happened?!
Just one match and all the bad comments coming from everywhere..
Shit.. I dont usually get to read these, especially when we won ManU and Chelsea...

And please be smart abit to isolate between real life football and fifa/fm....
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