Forumer you are complaining against: Ravi6662, Hp No. 016-3317284

Item being sold/bought: Cloned/replica Nokia N95 8Gb (China phone)

Original thread link: http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1728403&hl=

Date of transaction: 1 February 2011

Details of the complaint :

Got conned into buying a cloned /imitation Nokia N95 8Gb from Ravi6662. He advertised as selling original Nokia N95 8Gb, price: RM420--> nego RM400.

Clone Nokia N95 selling in other forum for only RM150. Lowyat.net do not permit seller to sell imitation products

I was made aware that this site is did not permit selling imitation products. During COD i inspect the condition of phone but unable to detect the clone feature. The clone features mostly can only be detected when it is connected to PC because some of the icons in the phone are fake i.e 8gb memory, actual only 2gb. Camera: image if download to computer has max resolution of only 640*480. Outlook almost 100% orginal.



I tried resolving internally with him but he has very low etiquette. More so when he actually mention that he works in US before.

I checked on internet about him and found this fact. His name is Ravindran "Ravi" Mahadevan. "Ravi pleaded guilty in 1992 to misdemeanor theft from his employer, a computer business in Mason City"

http://wcfcourier.com/news/regional/articl...fa3a134af5.html

Summary of my communication with him as below

My reply: 1 day after the COD day, I demanded a refund beause he is actually selling me a clone Nokia N95. I have checked intensively on internet to ensure that I am not accusing people wrongly
Ravi: He mentioned that he didn't know it is imitation and he also said I have seen and tested the product so its my fault
(His reply is very suspectful because during his pm he got mention he uses the GPS of which the phone has no GPS)

My reply: I told him that lowyat.net did not permit seller to sell clone/ imitation product. I mention that we are not talking about the condition of the phone instead he is not being truthful and conning me into buying cloned stuff of which his advertisement should not be up at this website at the first place.
Ravi: He replied that i never asked him whether it is cloned Nokia N95 or not.. so its my fault. He also say that i can resell it again

My reply: I told him i am not so irresponsible to sell imitation product and let others feel cheated... like me... If really the case, are u asking me to actually con other and if u say the mod will let u do that, then this forum is actually recommending this transactions? I told him i will be making a complain about him in the dispute corner.

I think he is currently working near All-IT and Jaya33 shopping complex as helpdesk or maybe also as a IT trainer. More info can be obtained from the website below.
http://ravi6662.web.officelive.com/resume.aspx

My intention is to prevent other potential buyers against this seller. Other forumer has complained b4 about him. Pls see the link below:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...647&hl=ravi6662

Moderator, please consider blacklisting him and from my opinion, having such a forumer who is not responsible/not honest member will not benefit our beloved forum. Actually what set apart your forum with "www.m*d*h.com" is that most forumers here are selling legitimate products and are more trustworthy seller. I can see that moderators here are taking stiff actions on threads that sells fake items which is very very encouraging.

However, from my opinion, harder punishment should also be taken to those sellers who claim they are selling original products but in actual fact selling fake products.

If required by moderator, I can forward all his PM to verified our dealings...

From cheated buyer...

This post has been edited by deng8895: Aug 6 2011, 03:52 PM


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COD also been coned..
why u not check it carefully?

I'm having hard time to read wad u wanna express.

Which part? I have amend a bit to improve the presentation.

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Added on February 6, 2011, 10:56 amThe outlook is almost 100% original and there are alot of fake icons in the phone. This is not the version where even the LCD is low resolution. By testing it on the spot most likely cannot detect that why alot of people also got con if u check the internet... unless u are very very familiar with the phone...

Even my friend who owns a Nokia N95 thought its just a firmware problem, but instead it is not because even Nokia PC suite can't detect the phone.

It mostly can be detected when connect to PC.



This post has been edited by deng8895: Feb 6 2011, 10:56 AM

did u try checking the IMEI?

*#06#
*#0000#

?

If only you turned on the phone during COD, you can tell immediately that its a china set.
Careless has a price.

Seriously, I did turned on the phone .. also i checked the LCD and also made a call....

I really disagree with your statement" if u turned on the phone during COD, you can tell immediately that its a china set"

Have u seen the clone b4? The LCD is not those low resolution type, instead same like the original. When taking pic, got flash, if turn the phone side way, the lcd also turn side way, icons are same like the original phone, got nokia sticker, etc...

But I agree that after very close inspection and after doing research online, u can differentiate it. It took me a day to research as i thought it is only old firmware.

If the seller has intention to con you and not being honest, it very hard to detect if you never own the phone b4, but think again, if u have the phone b4, why u buying it again?

The above is the main reason why certain forum are more popular for buying/selling original product than others.

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Added on February 7, 2011, 12:55 am*#0000#

Detail as below:

V20.0.016
16-04-09
RM - 320
Nokia N95 (12.01)




This post has been edited by deng8895: Feb 7 2011, 12:55 AM

post picta of the phone with the icons. ?

did ravi6662 has been informed regarding this dispute?

This post has been edited by Apis_LuaLua: Feb 7 2011, 04:13 PM

Already mention i will make complain about him in dispute corner. However, i have also just pm him about this thread

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i can tell u its china straightaway by looking at the font (maxis, message, camera etc).. so sorry for your case.

My father bought this unit too for about RM3XX.

At first sight, I thought it was original especially when you never hold a real N95 before.

Upon further inspection it became quite obvious that it is fake.

Anyway, Ravi6662 clearly knows its a fake but point out that its real since he provide the link to a website showing the original N95.

as a owner of N95 8GB, i can say that without proper inspection it's pretty alike with the original one (the housing). but one thing china phone always ignore is the fonts.. their fonts always looks weird compared to original one..
indeed next time when you cod phone also need to try out the wifi function as well.. (although many china phones have wifi now)
btw i hold a high quality fake N95 8Gb before, and the feel and weight is slightly diff with the original one..

not everyone have the chance to hold a real phone before and can tell a fake and real especially if there are close to 100% real.

I read a lot of ppl got conned when they buy iphone from shop and it is actually china iphone. A lot of people do not know or cannot tell a fake and real easily as they are just normal users.

This is clearly a scam job. Seller need to be responsible for this. I suggest TS lodge a police report. Hope that you have enough of his details.

looks very similar to original..even i cant tell the differences..

agreed. very similar to the original. very hard to differentiate. especially if previously you waren't a Nokia user, you wouldn't notice the font is different or not.

I don't think i can get back my money from him as he don't seem to care.

Can someone teach me how to ban him from Lowyat.net?

I felt very angry and cheated because I save up RM400 for a phone with GPS and wifi, but end up with a phone that has spec lousier than my Nokia 6300.

I am a fresh grad only and that amount is quite alot for me...

u may want to try TTPM.. read from newspapers days ago that 2 of the victims that inform to them have won their case. 1 of them, a young girl won his case which is a misleading spec of phone (something like that, i m not sure)

Thanks for the TTPM link Apis...haha...will make it to good use whenever I get something not in good quality.

Bro, i really feel sorry for you man... Im also using n95 8gb...From the housing it looks similar to genuine phone.

After seeing the above info, i checked in my phone and this was mine :

V 35.0.001
11-11-09
RM-320
Nokia N95 (12.01)

Wow man...The clone phone also display the same info as the genuine

the seller looks..old? still active to con others.. sigh..

Yes dishonest and irresponsible person ... for only RM400 also want to con people...Can't imagine what he will do to his employer...

The more i think the more i become angry .... i believe he will get back what he done to me

Have you done police report?

Can be done thou

if you have all his details,why dont go and repot to consumer rights.?
but since this is is personal intention to CON you (although he knew its china made) , i think its hard for you to get him .

wah..uncle also want to con..
world nowday..haizzzz

The money he conned all go into his stomach le

because of him i still using my old phone and lost my saving of rm400....

Dude. Don't simply rant here. DO SOME POSITIVE ACTION. Make report to police, TTPM, Michael Chong whatever. Too many people just sit here do nothing and let conmen get away. Ranting here won't get your money back.

And that guy...wah...so old still wanna con people....pathetic.

My friend also kena.

She bought a china n86 99% alike.

during her "show off" I immediately sense it was not the ori nokia.

coz I myself using n82 in which symbian OS doesn't perform that bad.

be it n86/n95/n81.... all share the same os function.

The interface/menu slided/moved/behaved sluggish...unusual

but impressive enough that even the check firmware (*#0000#) etc were all there.

so it was very tricky.

Told my friend but she ignored....haizz.

To buyer... better if you have tested the originals one in shops b4 buy...or test the gps/wifi.
Usually all china phone no such features.

Your best bet of getting your money back is through TTPM I guess.

Tribunal Hak Pengguan
http://www.kpdnkk.gov.my/index.php?option=...d=98&Itemid=281

I remember went to their office at The Mall, Jalan Putra near PWTC. Just pay RM5 for the form and u can claim up to RM25K.

But my case are been settle out court as the seller willing to refund be4 been call to court.

Good luck to u.

you are not familiar with nokia china phones. By looking at it when on the phone, already know it's a china made products.

hye just some advice maybe try to do some googling comparing original and fake first before buying & maybe can bring some friends that is good at gadgets. thats what i do just to be safe

this guy almost same age with me but why he looks so old ?

You trade phones of course you know la... i never seen a real Nokia N95 and never in my mind know there is a replica nokia phones around...

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Added on March 20, 2011, 9:58 am Yes i will take your advice for future ... currently i don't plan to buy any second hand hand phone, in the mean time cos trauma abit and i no expert in phone...

How long is a tribunal?

This post has been edited by deng8895: Mar 20 2011, 10:03 AM

true... some of the clone look very believable..
to the point of every single feature (of course the inferior level lah..)

especially those popular brands and models..

i think i read somewhere that they will settle ur case within 45 days, if im not mistaken. correct me if im wrg.

Wow finally he replied me... and he finally admit he knows the phone is fake n95.

Look at his amusing reply....

Look at the bold items... funny thing that the phones has all his pictures and also it was uploaded to the phone before I bought the phone from him....and when did i say i expert in nokia phone??????

I can't believe this reply from a grown up man... I will try to apply tribunal on this case...and see what happen from there...

Reply from Ravi6662



This post has been edited by deng8895: Mar 22 2011, 12:09 AM

Seems like he try to run away. So, i suggest u go ahead with a report to TTPM, and send him a copy of report. Let see how he gonna respond. Gudluck.

Good luck bro. Supported you.

U know what he just did just now? 21/3/2011, around 11.30pm

He called me but my old nokia 6300 phone did not recognised his number because my phone just updated new firmware, so he first straight ask me want to sell your n95 phone? Then i politely ask who is this on the line as i felt puzzle, he reluctant to tell me who is he once he suspect i didn't recognise his number. Then he started to lie (the thing he does best) when i ask him whether he is from singapore, he say yes and I met him before and i say to him i got nokia n95 for sale and so on.....

Then i told him i have never advertise the phone before and i informed him clearly that it is a fake nokia n95 and i also asked him how he knows i have nokia n95? He said i met him before and gave my number to him.

Then I mistaken him for a new friend i just met who works in Singapore . But i suspect a bit weird because the way he speak is quite different, also i never inform anyone that i got con by buying a fake nokia n95 except my brother. I felt embarrass and sad to even tell my parent and also my friends. However, some friends i know aware that i just bought nokia n95 but i have stop using it after 1 day.

Then he started lying again saying that fake and original nokia n95 same value, he mention spare part is the one that is expensive. Then i told him the spare part is fake wor, no value... he say no no... spart part is same and battery all very expensive... he say can go shop and sell RM600. The he say he bought fake nokia n95 for RM200 and when go to shop, the shop offer him RM600. Wah finally I know that he bought for RM200 and making a proft of another RM200... no bad hah... Ravi...

I really felt suspicious and i know already this is definately not my new singapore friend, then i asked him are u the guy who sold me the phone? Ravi6662, then he said no. He said his name is "Raj. " Wow lie again.... so i told him i think u got the wrong person but since he was saying about the good deal of fake nokia n95, i asked him whether he wants to buy my fake nokia n95, he said no, he asked me to sell at phone shop in KL sentral, can get Rm600...

Then he ended the call. I felt really suspicious that he is Ravi so i check my dispute thread and confirmed his number. He also sent me an amusing pm which i have posted in this thread...I sent him an sms saying u are the person that sold me the phone and i ask him why he calls me for... he replied asking me why i say he con me into buying the phone... WHAT A JOKE MAN!!!!!!

I finally got it, he called me to try to convince me to sell the phone so that he can wash hand. Then he tell me all the good deal because he wants me to go to shop and try to sell, and when the shop offer a replica nokia n95 price (Maybe RM50-100) then i will just sell the phone cos desperate and will think better got a bit then nothing... What a snaky guy man... Don't worry i will not sell this phone to remind me to be careful when dealing with people like u... and people who buy secondhand phone are usually not so well-off, just like me and so i won't let them feel the same thing that i have went through. Also I knows how it feels to be cheated after saving for a new phone... i have asked the another forumer that complain about u before and we both agreed that "what goes around, comes around." Its ok, someone above is watching.

This post has been edited by deng8895: May 29 2011, 11:35 AM

What a joke? Sell to shop can get rm600? Just ignore him and list it at banlist.

So the phone number confirm his? From your story, it has been confirm that its him. This prove us that he is now is worried and scared. Go on with the report and let see him pee in his pants.

yes i called,
due to u accuse me of CON u.
u played wiht phone for almost 1hr before buy.
i did not force u to buy
get the record straight.

and u assumed i was a guy from singapre.. i never said i was.
then u sms me, saying n95 is rm150 near ur house.. .lol.. sure it is..
i checked prices on mudah.com before putting that price. which u agreed to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyer%27s_remorse

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caveat_emptor

if u made a mistake, admit it, and grow up.
if not u spend ur life buying stuff and crying over it after that.

i too have sold/buy lots from here..
even got a laptop, xp sticker, but fake win7 on it.
but instead of being a baby, i reformat and put xp back on.
and i use open office cuz i know i cant afford m$office.

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Added on March 22, 2011, 9:19 am

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Added on March 22, 2011, 9:22 amHE DID CHECK IT CAREFULLY..
ALMOST 1HR.
I EVEN LET HIM USE MY SIMM CARD,
CUZ HIS WAS FAUTY OR PROTECTED..
- THINK HE WAS TRYING TO RIPP ME OFF..
THERES ALWAYS 2 SIDES TO EVERY STORY..
AND BOTTOM LINE, HE TESTED AND OFFER TO BUY.

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Added on March 22, 2011, 9:38 am

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Added on March 22, 2011, 9:56 amCOD yes.. Conn NO.
he knew exactly what he was buying.

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Added on March 22, 2011, 10:07 amDUDE.. read this.


Do not advertise any company, product or services except within the Trade Zone and its rules. Do not make any commercially orientated posts without prior permission from an administrator.
Do not post any referral links, either on the boards or in your signature.

Do not engage in activities prohibited by Malaysian law.

Do not post personal or private information of another person.
This includes the real name, a photograph, phone number, address, employment history whether or not that information is publicly available. Do respect the privacy of others.

mod, has he violated these rules..??

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Added on March 22, 2011, 10:09 am
Do not advertise any company, product or services except within the Trade Zone and its rules. Do not make any commercially orientated posts without prior permission from an administrator. Do not post any referral links, either on the boards or in your signature.

Do not engage in activities prohibited by Malaysian law.

Do not post personal or private information of another person. This includes the real name, a photograph, phone number, address, employment history whether or not that information is publicly available. Do respect the privacy of others.

READ EM AND WEEP.!..

This post has been edited by ravi6662: Mar 22 2011, 10:09 AM

First, we do not allow imitations to be sold. But like your so called "caveat emptor", we wouldn't know because you didn't specified it out, else we would have suspended your sales!
Then by playing the phone 1 hour doesn't necessary meant the guy knew the phone is imitation.
Same like your analogy on buying fake windows laptop. One doesn't know by just playing with it. It's only at the point he/she needs to update then only the problem comes.

So the point is you never told the truth and when someone found out, you say it's his/her fault. Every consumer had their own way of dealing things. You can "claim" you don't mind because you have the means to resolve it because you can reformat and reinstall genuine software. But now, coming back to this; how do you "restore" it to be original Nokia

And the thing that you complaint in front desk. It's void when someone has a dispute against you. He finally got your attention right? Else would you have responded?

And if you're so rule minded, then can Nokia prosecute you for selling imitation Nokia?! If you abide by the rules, then can we now ban you for violating the rules?!

So which rules are we talking about now?! Malaysian Law? I bet there's a line in there stating no piracy. Consumer law also states no "misleading" advert. Which also all you clearly violated. So now which "rules" should we apprehend now?! YOU TELL ME!

This post has been edited by b00n: Mar 22 2011, 11:55 AM

+10. It applies to hardware and softwares as well.

However, i doubt that Nokia would one by one sue this kind of pirates as they are more focus on how to allocate resources to get them up with speed with current competition.

ravi6662,
why you didn't put nokia n95 8gb china phone or not original when you want to sell it at your post? you already know nobody wants to buy and it's show that you have intention to cheat and waiting your prey to come by. here already proof you are selling imitation products. what would happens when you selling fake powder milk or fake drugs that can kill a person that used it?

This post has been edited by kqtan1966: Mar 22 2011, 06:44 PM

U ALSO SAID U HAVE DONE FIRMWARE TO THE N95.
U SAID I WAS FROM SINGAPORE.. I NEVER DID.
DONT PUT WORDS IN PEOPLES MOUTH....

No. I told u clearly i done firmware update to my nokia 6300 la.., then i clearly say i never use the nokia n95 of which u asked me why never use, I told u clearly its a fake china phone... I got nokia 6300 and a replica china phone, which one will u use??????? Either u dont understand me or u try to lie.... I can't remember who started the singapore thingy but maybe u are right, sorry for that, but I can clearly remember u played along and continued saying that u are from Singapore... wow man.. lying is in your blood? A simple "no" and introduce your self is enough to alert me that i am speaking to Ravi6662.

YES U DID MEET ME. AND U DID GIVE UR NUMBER...
Agreed. But pls be honest that u are not trying to tell me you are ravi ok.... u are trying to mislead me that u are someone else... i am totally loss that time...

U STOP USE IT CUZ U MODIFIED THE FIRMWARE... RIGHT?
I told u i am using Nokia 6300 ....i only use that n95 for 1 day and left it at home. Also how to update firmware on China phone ????? LOL if can then its original Nokia N95 la...Nokia software update can't even detect the phone..u shud know better cos that's the reason u are selling me this fake phone

LOL.. I NEVER SAID THAT..
WONDER WHERE U GET UR STORIES FROM.
OR U JUST GOOD ON DEFENDING URSELF.
I HAVE NO TIME FOR UR GAMES.
GROW UP..
Oh my god, lying through your teeth, unbelievable... god knows man... really unfortunate that we are speaking thru phone

LOOK UP BUYERS REMORSE..
AND BUYER BEWARE.
SAME LAW APPLIES IN MALAYSIA.

BOTTOM LINE. U SAW WHAT U WANTED AND BUY IT.
SAME AS U BUY FAKE GAME CD... CUZ IT SAYS AND IS BOXED AS ORIGINAL..
DONT TELL ME U DONT HAVE ILLEGAL FAKE SOFTWARE ON UR COMPUTER...

I want Nokia N95 not a replica Nokia N95? are u acting funny? Buying fake games to compare our situation? U must be joking right. If someone go pasar malam and buy fake game at RM5, do u think he knows its fake even it is packed like original? I think u miss out the very important point, that is the PRICE. If someone go to pasar malam and buy RM250 starcraft game and later found out it is fake, then what we call the seller? I let u decide ok... Remember clearly ok, i paid RM400, and if u look elsewhere, how much is second hand original Nokia N95? RM350 to 450.... So I let u decide ok...

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Added on March 22, 2011, 8:41 pm

huh? rip you off, like how ah? pls explain your funny reply...As most post paid sim card, once u turn on, it will prompt u for password. I seldom turn off my phone, and i usually type using my nokia 6300 keypad so i somehow (can't believe my self, maybe too excited on the new phone) forgot the password and i typed 3 times wrong code and it lock... how is that i can rip u off??????

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Added on March 22, 2011, 8:48 pm

Paying RM400 for a replica nokia N95 that sells around RM50-RM100 in the market?? and I know what I am buying? where is your logic?

This post has been edited by deng8895: Mar 22 2011, 08:48 PM

Ravi,

if u put the title as "N95 Looks Alike" or "N95 Replica" or so on, people will not buy from u for RM200 and above, trust me.
the reason why buyer check and happy with the phone because we all knew in this forum we cannot sell imitate / fake item.

on the other hand, maybe buyer is also wrong for not checking the item correctly but u LAGI SALAH for selling fake item.

ravi ravi ravi...
jangan cakap berbelit belit...
nak kena pang pang dulu kot baru nk cakap straight...
aiyo..
sbb tu la org slalu ckp.......
sndiri pk pe aku nk ckp...

I felt pity for you (Ravi) that you (Ravi) sell your name, pride and respect for only RM400. We can still find money if loss but losing your pride, it very hard to get back man. I did not study in United States or stay aboard but I know being respected and having pride is very important for me. It’s no matter how rich, handsome, smart and etc that other people values someone, but it’s how u act and behave.

Earning money this way is short term gain with sacrifice that you need to endure over a lifetime. I still young and have been working only for a few years, but at least I earned my money through my hard work.

But you know what, who cares man, it’s your life and I could be wrong since u have tasted more salt than me… If you can reason-out yourself that you did nothing wrong, good for you.

This post has been edited by deng8895: Mar 23 2011, 11:28 AM

Shame to be Indian.
You have created +trying to defend your self with all those wikipedia craps.

Do remember you have a bad deeds already.

bro, all is the same whether india, malays or chinese. a cheater is a cheater not depend on what race is it.

This post has been edited by kqtan1966: Mar 23 2011, 06:52 PM

Looks like someone buat aduan at LYN helpdesk.. like admin/mods will entertain..

just put a dispute tag on him...story end.

Btw..u can detect a china made phone..thru its games. China offer lousy games..

rm 400 can get a fake ipong in china d..

This post has been edited by MsPopcorn: Mar 24 2011, 01:30 AM

i mean im shame that hes a indian.come on man indians got a reputation.not to get reputated on conning job.

saw that too.hahahhahah.....what a epic of the year.

be a man and refund.u are a disgrace to your family.just because of rm400 u cakap macam ular.

what s the point of cheating?.base on the picture i saw, u are a grown up man.come on.u should set an example to the younger generation not the other way around.

maybe this guy lost all of his happiness during his young age.hahahah.

Thank you all for your support. I'll take this as a lesson..When want to buy phone, at least go to shop to try or try your friend's same model, if can bring along your friend to come with you...My past dealing with other lowyat.net forumer has been very good until i met this forumer...

My original Nokia 5800 also cannot get that price man!!!!

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Added on March 25, 2011, 9:38 amWow...UNCLE...so old oready pls dun cheat people!! Bad karma will comes to you and you'll be reborn as a pig and ends up as a char siew pow soon, ok. Somemore got balls to tok cok!!!! "Just because the buyer checked for 1hr" and bought it is because YOU HAVE SUCCESSFULLY CONNED HIM. You KNEW it was FAKE and NEVER INFORMED HIM. That is the bottom line. Pls save your BS elsewhere. Are you so desperate to need to con people RM400?? You got Terminal Disease izzit and no money for Medical fees???

This post has been edited by Matrix: Mar 25 2011, 09:42 AM

He needs those money to settle his legal bills

sell back can get rm600 ? lol ...impossible ...... my friend phone trade in zitron nokia X6 only for rm600 liao ..brought for rm900+ .

this one china phone, i think no value d .

and im truly sorry for your loss . imagine those people who loss millions of dollars online ? that 1 suicide also not enough ...haha.... hope this one is a lesson . thanks for sharing . i really feel pity on you . 1st time ..the way you speak makes me wanna f*** that guy..lol

TS, just proceed with report, dont give chances to con men~

Looks like the conman already exists since 2009 ->Ravi6662
Next time google on their username first before buying anything. This is way too obvious, happens twice in lowyat.net

This post has been edited by ssyycc: May 27 2011, 01:55 AM

I did go through his resume (but don't know all the cert is a look a like or original) this con artist seems to be well educated, how come end up so desperate to con RM400.00. Greed, which ends your career. Old man also need to con for that few hundred bucks. My god. A total disgrace to your family.

Ravi, in your attempt to wash your hands and be "innocent', you had spilled out your real game more than you can imagine. If truly you are innocent, there is no need for you to defend yourself but clearly, this is a case of ''Siapa makan cili, dia rasa pedas''. Settle this nice and easy. Refund the cash and end of story.

Once a Conman,forever a Conman... His name no Ravi or whatever,only PENIPU in public eyes... Walking need to look left n rite,scare will get revenge by ppl he conned b4.no wonder US kick him away....

I think it was a great & smooth presentation.
Everything clear ...