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post Feb 15 2011, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Feb 15 2011, 04:09 PM)
what were u shooting oh?
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i am shooting portrait in room...at first i am using F2.2 in A mode...without any flash on iso 800...nicely lit..but i want to make some creative lighting portrait..so i use my F42...i just turn it on and let be Fully Auto..and attached onto my body..in Fill-Flash..A mode F2.2 iso 800...come out not well lit..without flash is so much nicer..then i tried to switch it to 1/32 power..come out super damn overbrighten.. cry.gif
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post Feb 15 2011, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Feb 15 2011, 04:44 PM)
ok what's your definition of 'creative lighting portrait'?  blink.gif
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just ignore that la..i cant even make a normal well lit picture with a F42..what a LOL!.. doh.gif ..flash problem or my problem?..isnt the fully auto mode can at least give a decent normal output(correct exposure)?
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post Feb 15 2011, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(ieR @ Feb 15 2011, 05:30 PM)
ahpingko, iso800, F2.2 in a normal house room, 1/32 is too much.

put to iso100 and shoot
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i know...lol..btw, my new trial...seemed like abit improvement..but still got some questions though..

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flash mounted on hotshoe

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wireless mode flash 1/32 power, my room florescent light is not seen in this photo..

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wireless mode flash 1/4 power..this for me is called creative lighting coz flash is not on hotshoe..

btw, my question..this is in my room and i m using prime..what if i am at the restaurant where area is big and cant use bounce flash and i m using kit lens...lowest is F3.5-F5.6..using iso 1600 will have alot noise..is it recommended to go up iso1600??..i am shooting at low iso all the time so when i see the grains at iso 1600, i feel very weird...

and the photo in this attempt, with flash and without got no diference..i mean in pic #1&#2..so what is the point of using flash in this scenario?..i m blurred..

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post Feb 15 2011, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(ieR @ Feb 15 2011, 06:14 PM)
ahpingko, ur understanding with exposure is wayyyyy off, this i can say.

here the few keys,

why iso800? and u know how it affect ur photo and WB? with and without flash.
why F2.2? and u know how it affect ur photo and WB? with and without flash.

do u know when mount flash and fire, the AWB is lock to Flash AWB? hence its fixed 5500k. and it was affected by above 2 settings?

i think i going to write a long article bout AWB with and without flash, and how below F4, and above iso800 affect the color of ur WB.
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QUOTE(kysham @ Feb 15 2011, 06:22 PM)
ahpingko, one lesson I learned.... know what ISO, aperture (f-number) & shutter speed do to the exposure for ambient lighting AND flash lighting. it behaves differently.... your experiment is not complete, although it is a good start to exploring how these trinity of settings (ISO, aerture & shutterspeed) affects lighting in your final photo. go! go! go!!! biggrin.gif
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daytime is ok for me...but when involve flash, i really damn confused..

my understanding:
-when shoot at night, high iso,big aperture capture good background ambient light..
-if use low iso and small aperture, the light from flash can lit up the subject but not ambient light..
-to get best of both lights...need to juggle between both of it..

ada betul?..i can use low iso and smaller aperture when the area is small/my bounce light is enough the lit up everything(but the original lighting , eg: like in restaurant, the yellow ambience is gone in this way).

can give more guidance and what to look for in my next experiments?..i willing to try more...i need to get the skill of it.. tongue.gif..but i worry if i use a wrong way to experiment...enlighten me , sifus... ieR and kysham
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post Feb 15 2011, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(kopitiam @ Feb 15 2011, 06:54 PM)
apingko, normally u use which mode when using flash?
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aperture mode lo..but it doesnt seemed to be working correctly...F42 on auto and on F2.2 aperture mode will give incorrect exposure..thats why i am asking how to use it...damn hard la...got such big flash but dono how to use..damn malu wei.. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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post Feb 15 2011, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(kopitiam @ Feb 15 2011, 07:00 PM)
better use manual mode when using flash. nod.gif

meter the background ambient light and then use flash to illuminate the subject nod.gif
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lol..this damn hard too...

QUOTE(ieR @ Feb 15 2011, 07:01 PM)
give me sometime, i now composing what to wring on WB. might use it for my workshop someday.


Added on February 15, 2011, 7:02 pm

eh, this is so wrong. u only make it worst if u do not know where to start and how to end.
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this is my situation now...haihz..i need guidance on how to start to get correct metering, what to meter for, how to adjust the flash settings for different scenarios..


Added on February 15, 2011, 7:13 pm
QUOTE(ieR @ Feb 15 2011, 07:07 PM)
ahpinko, when using flash, u introduce another EV into the whole system, the flash EV do not affect ur basic EV (the basic triangle EV for the camera, aka, ambiance EV aka BG eV) so now u have 2 eV.

the flash power stays the same from slow shutter up to sync speed (1/160 for model below A5-series) so 1/16 power is the same through out 1sec, 1/10, 1/60, 1/100, 1/160!
aperture affect amount of flash power, so F2.2 actually allow too much light from the flash, + light from ambiance.

it is NOT easy to balance BG EV and subject EV with flash. NOT EASY. but u once u have grasp on the basic knowledge, u will know how to work around it. even in under bright sunlight! (ray ng manage to cope till this level already)
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rayng is good on portrait....i need to learn now...i lack of skill to control my monster flash... laugh.gif ..

so in this experiment of mine, how come i can use 1/20 such slow shutter when my F2.2 allowing too much light?..in case of events such as wedding or dinner night, using 1/20 handheld will have blurs right??..how to overcome this??...worst, i will be using kitlens coz my 50mm too tight..so mostly will be F4-5..any guides?

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post Feb 15 2011, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(ieR @ Feb 15 2011, 07:38 PM)
1/20, that when i mention the REAR sync (was it 2nd curtain, i keep forgeting the terms and names) comes it, if the flash is fired after the BG exposure, it will 'tries' to overwrite the initial exposure, and flash travels as UBER speed, so it will have a 'final' sharp overwrite exposure. u get a soft blurring moving effect + final sharp exposure smile.gif creative shot! i'd say
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tried on 1/20??..actually i tried rear sync before..but couldnt see what actually the difference between it and slow sync...maybe u can give me some example..i still kinda of blurred...soft blurring effect+ final sharp exposure is apa macam??.. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif


Added on February 15, 2011, 9:22 pm
QUOTE(lwliam @ Feb 15 2011, 07:15 PM)
ieR, i'm looking forward for your article as well.. Go go go!!!


Added on February 15, 2011, 7:17 pmahpingko, try this, use shutter priority at 1/30s and others (incl. flash) at auto.. See what do you get. Then, add or minus from there (u will get an approx. of aperture value)


Added on February 15, 2011, 7:21 pmthen try shutter priority with 1/60s and 1/160s.. See the difference in the output.. Then u will learn from there, by keeping other variables constant, and only changing one part of the equation.
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what iso to start with??...now i m in my room..i guess will be iso 800??

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post Feb 15 2011, 10:00 PM

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noob experiment 2...

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full auto mode.. doh.gif doh.gif

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using kitlens...18-55..damn ugly... doh.gif

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post Feb 15 2011, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Feb 15 2011, 10:11 PM)
Ahpingko, you are totally confused. My advise is, forget everything you know about or don't know about all these flash photography, and then go back to P mode(including auto Iso as well).

Try to shoot one event, entirely on P mode, but try to differentiate the wAy you Bend your flash gun(direct/bounce). Take note how you adjust your flash gun, is it 90/45/60/75 degrees? When you come back, take note of the settings. Remember which setting works and which doesn't or post here for comments.

Move on from there.
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you are right..i m so damn blurred... doh.gif

my full auto mode also cant work...how i gonna go and shoot event like that?..ph34r.gifph34r.gifph34r.gif
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post Feb 15 2011, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(lwliam @ Feb 15 2011, 10:19 PM)
why are u changing multiple settings at any time?

do this, make sure your subject and background has sufficient distance to see a clearer effect.:

28mm, 1/25s, f4.5, ISO 800
28mm, 1/80s, f4.5, ISO 800
28mm, 1/125s, f4.5, ISO 800
28mm, 1/160s, f4.5, ISO 800
all these with flash set to AUTO and bounced straight up

then try this
28mm, 1/60s, f4.5, ISO 800
28mm, 1/60s, f7.1, ISO 800
28mm, 1/60s, f11, ISO 800
28mm, 1/60s, f16, ISO 800
also with same flash orientation
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just now my test is all using flash pointing to the subject without diffuser..sit on the hotshoe..

QUOTE(ieR @ Feb 15 2011, 10:21 PM)
yuhi, kopitiam : well, as long as u are not over the 'sync speed' and above aperture 'F11' and subject farther then '5 meter' from u. else, the problem is that flash cant lit that far under those settings.

zstan: he is confuse with flash eV, not exactly setting.

ahpingko: why not, try from F4, iso400 first? that is basic, although u might have a little darker/white background. the issue here is not eV, its more of the AWB messed up.


Added on February 15, 2011, 10:23 pmhahaha william, the problem is at high iso + large aperture allows more light in to overwrite the 5500k WB~ causing the picture very tungsten-ish.

actually, ahpingko, u went over too far already, basic flash start from auto iso, F4.

anything below F4 with flash, the the white flash light with get overwrite by the ambiance light (turning ur picture NOT white)
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is it?..but my kitlens at 28mm cant go lower than F4..what i feel from my F42 is it seemed like not strong enough when it is in auto mode..anyway, thanks for advices..i get a better idea too..i need to sleep 1st..2moro working..wait weekend i play again...will start spamming my noob flashing photos..

and i forgotten that iso can be set to auto as well...LOL doh.gif


Added on February 15, 2011, 10:48 pm28mm, 1/25s, f4.5, ISO 400 - Semi lit
28mm, 1/80s, f4.5, ISO 400 - Pitch Black
28mm, 1/125s, f4.5, ISO 400 - Pitch Black
28mm, 1/160s, f4.5, ISO 400 - Pitch Black
all these with flash set to AUTO and bounced straight up

then try this
28mm, 1/60s, f4.5, ISO 400 - Pitch Black
28mm, 1/60s, f7.1, ISO 400 - Pitch Black
28mm, 1/60s, f11, ISO 400 - Pitch Black
28mm, 1/60s, f16, ISO 400 - Pitch Black
also with same flash orientation

28mm, 1/25s, f4.5, ISO 800 - Semi lit
28mm, 1/80s, f4.5, ISO 800 - Darker
28mm, 1/125s, f4.5, ISO 800 - Pitch Black
28mm, 1/160s, f4.5, ISO 800 - Pitch Black
all these with flash set to AUTO and point directly

then try this
28mm, 1/60s, f4.5, ISO 800 - Dark
28mm, 1/60s, f7.1, ISO 800 - Pitch Black
28mm, 1/60s, f11, ISO 800 - Pitch Black
28mm, 1/60s, f16, ISO 800 - Pitch Black
also with same flash orientation

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post Feb 15 2011, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(evilhomura89 @ Feb 15 2011, 10:52 PM)
i'm confused just by reading all these post
i have a feeling i'll be facing similar problem using external flash in the near future
hopefully ieR's guide will shed some light


Added on February 15, 2011, 10:53 pmanyway, i'm not sure if this is helpful but do have a look

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this video very technical.. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

QUOTE(zstan @ Feb 15 2011, 11:02 PM)
nah ahpingko, some shots i took just now. fresh from oven. hope can enlighten you a bit. all no PP just resize. blush.gif
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i don't understand what does ier means if below f4 then no white light from flash.

both pic almost same setting but first pic still got retain ambient light.
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this is what i wanna achieve for now..ur flash unit on auto mode??..or 1/32 power??..what lens is that?..i rmb my kitlens 18-55 picture at night on F3.5 iso 800 not so nice..lol..anyway..good night...
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Lwliam: i tried last nite according to your tests..my room got fluorescent light turned on too..but somehow i did get the results i posted..is there any possibility my f42 got problem??..i always found that when i let the flash gun on auto mode, the flash power seemed to be very low..

Btw, i cant surf forum when working..but i can see yr replies in my email..
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QUOTE(ieR @ Feb 16 2011, 02:54 AM)
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the first set is shot with my toilet light off, and the wall tiles are actually milky color, so the bounced light will seem milky colored.
you will notice, with constant flash power, the aperture, allows the flash light comes in more when opened wider. causing the F2.8 photo to be overexpose (so ahpingko, yours is F2.2 with iso800, what makes u think ur photo will not overexpose when ur setting is 2 stop brighter then this setting, now, try lower it to iso100 or 200 to start again)

the 2nd set, with my toilet light on (tungsten)
see how F5.6, the tungsten dont really show up. (and lets assume the flash fired at 1/16 like the first set sample, because it seem to have the same exposure)
when turn to F4, the tungsten slowly overwrite the ambiance light. (*not all LCD monitor will see this)
and at F2.8 (1 stop larger then F4) the tungsten totally overwrites the flash light!!! but if i were to turn off the flash @ F2.8, the 1/60 will show a very underexpose photo.

and, if i were to manual the flash at 1/16 @ F2.8, even with the toilet light on, it will still overexpose the whole picture like the 1st set F2.8~

so zstan: can u see how the F4 being overwrite by ambiance tungsten light? and i cant use manual flash because it will overexpose the photo (ur method, that to overexpose the subject hoping the ambiance light wont overwrite it is wrong)

do u know why i said ur setting is surviving method? if u lack of the understanding, u are just same as shooting blindly and hope, finger crossed to get a good photo. if u understand the setting/theory well, u could have easily overcome the tungsten cast issue instead of blast the flash stronger which is so inconsistence that you get overexpose photo sometimes. come, build up ur skill with the right knowledge

and the solution is actually what albnok been sharing with you guys who had TT with him. i really really appreciate my first and only TT with him, i learned so much from that single TT. you guys so lucky can TT with him so many time, but still cant catch what he trying to share.

the Tungsten Gel Card Albnok DIYed will solve that tungsten issue!!!!! now, go bug albnok for another TT to learn how to really use that tungsten gel
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eh..how come i try like that...my pic is underexpose and not over expose?????...

QUOTE(popfish @ Feb 16 2011, 06:09 AM)
not sure which 1 is the better performance,

need  suggestion about this 2 lens.  whistling.gif
Minolta 50mm f1.7 ?

Sony  sam 50mm F1.8 ?
please advice
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50mm F1.8 my favourite!!!!..i love it!

QUOTE(8tvt @ Feb 16 2011, 11:26 AM)
2nd bro.. around RM450..
the colour so vivid.. good for close up range 1-3m for sharp portrait..
it's fast too.. with robotic sound..

but for ur FF later too wide..  sweat.gif
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eh got so nice ah?..lol..i kena a Canon EOS PhotoFrame from a magazine...plan to sell it and get 28mm F2.8...worth it??


QUOTE(albnok @ Feb 16 2011, 12:10 PM)


ahpingko: Underexposure with flash, is because the Sony Alphas like to underexpose so your highlights aren't all white.
meaning not problem with my flash?..coz always auto mode give me bad underexposed pic..

QUOTE(yuhi @ Feb 16 2011, 09:56 PM)
Old pic taken with the 50mm f1.7 wub.gif

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this very nice....mind to share exif??..wat is the exif and flash power/flash mode..
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QUOTE(yuhi @ Feb 16 2011, 11:06 PM)
Thanks!

Exif:
Shutter speed 1/250
Aperature f2.2
Focal length 50mm (75mm in APS-C I think...)
ISO 400

I'm sorry but I didn't use any flash as the lighting was sufficient. But I did use custom WB as I was shooting under tungsten lighting.
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great!.. thumbup.gif ..btw, that 50mm minolta on my a550 is 75mm ????...lol..

what if i buy 28mm F2.8 to use on my APSC a550??

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QUOTE(momuchi @ Feb 17 2011, 01:54 PM)
it`s SAL75300 good?
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quite useful when u have tight budget but when telephoto lens...sometimes hard to focus...especially when at long end..300mm..so what i do is, back to 210mm and focus lock, then zoom back in to 300mm...faster lock... rclxms.gif at least work for me..and it is not sharp enough....but still boleh-lah.. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(8tvt @ Feb 17 2011, 07:22 PM)
abit rusty to use flickr... can see right?

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300mm sigma
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nice...sharp lol.. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(8tvt @ Feb 18 2011, 08:53 AM)
that's why i like it.. even though a bit cacat..
output is everything..  wink.gif
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what lens u are using for it??..
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QUOTE(lwliam @ Feb 18 2011, 11:22 PM)
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Camera Sony DSLR-A700
Exposure 0.017 sec (1/60)
Aperture f/2.8
Focal Length 17 mm
ISO Speed 400
Exposure Bias +1.7 EV
Flash On, Fired to left wall


Added on February 18, 2011, 11:22 pmsien.. share share pics a bit..
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very nice..well captured!!..with ambience and lit up subject..damn good!

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my digital photoframe finally reached my house today..all its way from singapore through DHL.. rclxms.gif

wondering how much can it be sold??...Canon EOS Digital PhotoFrame...8inch..any alpharian interested??...
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anyone enlight me pls...why my Adobe Lightroom 3.3 auto correct my RAW files on import?..it looked dull in Lightroom!!...but when i open the RAW files directly in Windows Photo Viewer, it is vivid!..
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