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post Feb 17 2011, 01:04 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Feb 17 2011, 12:44 AM)
Did anyone read Dzirhan Mahadzir response to Dr Kua's

hahahahaha to Dr.Kua
a nice write btw by Dzirhan
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pergh slam our military personnel as they want eh..

cant help it.. he know more about warfare than them.. /sarcasm


maybe we should try ask dr kua go a war equipped with AK47 + 1 mag against our neighbor if that is our defense

spending he implied should be..

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post Feb 17 2011, 01:27 AM

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i dont mind if opposition seize control of this country
but judging from their "expertise" towards national military, i cant help but to admit scared if they gained federal control

how to expect if these "future' leaders cannot tell the different between OPV & LCS(of coz LCS much bigger)
oh OK maybe its too complicated for them

how about difference between APC & MBT??what a "genius" remark from tony pua
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post Feb 17 2011, 02:11 AM

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i wonder if one day we got attacked(got forbid) and ATM cannot defend Malaysia because of all the budget cuts.. who will tony pua blame??
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QUOTE(verex @ Feb 17 2011, 02:11 AM)
i wonder if one day we got attacked(got forbid) and ATM cannot defend Malaysia because of all the budget cuts.. who will tony pua blame??
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who else is there to blame? of course malay la whistling.gif
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QUOTE(e36.hartge @ Feb 17 2011, 12:27 AM)
i dont mind if opposition seize control of this country
but judging from their  "expertise" towards national military, i cant help but to admit scared if they gained federal control

how to expect if these "future' leaders cannot tell the different between OPV & LCS(of coz LCS much bigger)
oh OK maybe its too complicated for them

how about difference between APC & MBT??what a "genius" remark from tony pua
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imo that's from Tony Pua and Dr Kua alone,that doesn't mean all parties agree right?
I don't think among many the many 'leaders' of PR all of them are clueless like these two.
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QUOTE(Racerx @ Feb 17 2011, 02:15 AM)
imo that's from Tony Pua and Dr Kua alone,that doesn't mean all parties agree right?
I don't think among many the many 'leaders' of PR all of them are clueless like these two.
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and a DAP supporter in RWI doubted the honesty of PKR & PAS when neither of them complain about "6bil for 6 PVs" issue
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QUOTE(AKace @ Feb 17 2011, 01:30 AM)
and a DAP supporter in RWI doubted the honesty of PKR & PAS when neither of them complain about "6bil for 6 PVs" issue
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imo that shows that both PKR and PAS saw that there's not much to complain about the project now isn't it?
sometimes i wonder why people just argue for the sake of arguing... shakehead.gif

If let's say Tony Pua first asked for more details before lambasting then it shows he is indeed better than them.
The way he's doing it now for the 2nd time after the IFV=MBT thing doesn't bode well for him imo....
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QUOTE(Racerx @ Feb 17 2011, 02:41 AM)
imo that shows that both PKR and PAS saw that there's not much to complain about the project now isn't it?
sometimes i wonder why people just argue for the sake of arguing... shakehead.gif

If let's say Tony Pua first asked for more details before lambasting then it shows he is indeed better than them.
The way he's doing it now for the 2nd time after the IFV=MBT thing doesn't bode well for him imo....
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I'm glad he complain though. Sure make Tony Pua look stupid but it kept the government from freely swindling taxpayers money.
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QUOTE(AKace @ Feb 17 2011, 02:30 AM)
and a DAP supporter in RWI doubted the honesty of PKR & PAS when neither of them complain about "6bil for 6 PVs" issue
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only at RWI kah
i thought not just RWI
but almost all section is strong supporter of them doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(Fadly @ Feb 17 2011, 09:10 AM)
I'm glad he complain though. Sure make Tony Pua look stupid but it kept the government from freely swindling taxpayers money.
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it's good to have this kind of attention in military budget,

but now when making a foot remarks and asking a sensitive data
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Feb 17 2011, 09:38 AM)
it's good to have this kind of attention in military budget,

but now when making a foot remarks and asking a sensitive data
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Corrupt gahmen on one side, Fail opposition on the other.

It's like choosing between the giant douchebag and the turd sandwich.
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Feb 17 2011, 09:40 AM)
Corrupt gahmen on one side, Fail opposition on the other.

It's like choosing between the giant douchebag and the turd sandwich.
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remind me of this
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QUOTE(epul @ Feb 17 2011, 10:15 AM)
only at RWI kah
i thought not just RWI
but almost all section is strong supporter of them doh.gif  doh.gif
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even in militaryphotos i see them posting without clues(until some particular guy called Dzirhan gave lengthy explanation and shut their face once and for all laugh.gif )
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Feb 17 2011, 12:44 AM)
Did anyone read Dzirhan Mahadzir response to Dr Kua's

hahahahaha to Dr.Kua
a nice write btw by Dzirhan
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very good response.. rclxms.gif .
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Feb 17 2011, 10:51 AM)
even in militaryphotos i see them posting without clues(until some particular guy called Dzirhan gave lengthy explanation and shut their face once and for all laugh.gif )
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i guess revive & foxpaun is a singaporean or indon in disguise. i also noticed some nbtd singaporeans bashing our defence in milnuts. screw them
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Yeke, paste je sini buu~

Edited: Ada kat Twitter : http://www.facebook.com/note.php?created&&...120482317981520
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My response to Dr Kua
by Dzirhan Mahadzir - Defence Journalist on Wednesday, 16 February 2011 at 07:36

It's not surprising that given the fact that the DAP's Tony Pua has made himself look foolish over the SGPV-LCS issue, Dr. Kua Kia Soong now shows up with a commentary to try and salvage the situation.  Let me point out something to you Dr. Kua, none of us analysts are mystifying the situation on defence spending, the fact is had Tony Pua not gone the usual Pakatan method of trawling the internet and putting a price comparison list together (and a very error-strewn price list at that too) and trying to mislead the public on the issue, some of us professionals in the defence field would not have had to come out on the matter, and since Dr Kua says we talk mumbo-jumbo, can he explained the dash of mumbo jumbo paragraph in his book which he cites as having come from defence journalist Robert Karniol's article in the Singapore Straits Times, a paragraph which Karniol confirmed to me he never written, now who's mystifying with mumbo jumbo now. And Dr Kua is basically saying those who work professionally in the field can't be trusted or allowed to give our professional opinion in contrast to people who are totally ignorant of the issues such as Tony Pua and Dr Kua who, in Dr Kua's opionion should be allowed free rein on it. Some may say that Dr. Kua knows about defence due his book but frankly, the paragraph issue aside, the book, claimed to be an a revealing work, didn't reveal anything that was not reported in the media, ironically in that book, Kua who sneers at the mainstream media for cheering defence spending and says they never expose any defence scandals and then cites the same media as his sources for all his examples of defence mismanagement.

Now let's take a look at some of Dr. Kua's comment, on the PSC scandal yes there was mismanagement and why the government never prosecuted those responsible is beyond me but at the same time Boustead took over and got the program back on track so to try to equate them with PSC is a disservice to them, BTW I am not employed or paid in any capacity by Boustead or any other defence contractor for that matter contrary to what some idiots seem to claim online. In citing the Defence Review Asia article, it just goes to show how people ignorant of defence issues can misread such articles, there is a big difference between vendors and subcontractors, vendors provide/supply goods and materials, sub contractors include such along with people who provide services so this is a stupid comparison to make.

Any why does Dr Kua have to make smug comments like we lost a ship not to heroic combat, there isn't a navy in the world that hasn't had a ship incident due to negligence or improper management, the Indian Navy recently lost a ship to an accident, other navies have had similar incidents, The Royal Malaysian Navy punished all those involved including dismissing the ship captain from service. One mistake does not mean a an entire navy is incompetent, every navy in the world will have such an instance where due to mismanagement or negligence, an incident will occur, there's no escaping from it and this was what happened with the Inderapura.

We can actually go back and forth on this but let's cut to the chase, the political opposition has been talking so much about defence policy and procurement but have never said what they would do if they were in charge so why not instead of constantly telling the public that the government is wasting all their money etc come up with a defence policy and plan of their own. I know Dr. Kua came up with one in his book but that was a stupid one in that he said we could just reduce our military to a militia without any need for a navy or air force, I can't decide whether that statement  or Ridhuan Tee's statement that we should spent all our oil revenue money on  defence is the most dumbest suggestion on defence for this country.

Frankly I think it's high time that those who work professionally in the defence field speak out, too long we have had people like Dr. Kua etc all issue misleading statements on defence issues, they're now unhappy because people who actually work in the field just pointed out the actual facts and Dr Kua and co can no longer spin without being caught out.


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hahaha........ like one of my Iran friends said

In Malaysia, if you keep quiet, you are safe, no one can touch you/

but if you talk too much, you are in trouble.

So i suggest we should just stfu.
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Thailand upgrades F-16 jets in wake of double crash

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The Defence Ministry of Thailand has earmarked a Bt6.9-billion (US$ 224.83 million) secret budget for the upgrade of six F-16 AB fighter aircraft, including the installation of an air navigation system and maintenance costs.

Defence Minister Prawit Wongsu-wan informed the government about the spending plan at yesterday's Cabinet meeting, government deputy spokesman Watchara Kannikar said.

The budget will be spread over a three-year period, starting with the initial outlay of Bt1 billion for the current fiscal year.

The price tag for aircraft navigation is estimated at US$205 million (Bt6.56 billion), but the actual disbursement will hinge on the exchange rate fluctuation. The budgetary earmark came in the wake of the crash of two F-16 ADF fighter jets on Monday. Prawit reported to the Cabinet that Air Force investigators were investigating the cause of the crash during the Cobra Gold exercise in Chaiyaphum.

He said the investigators would check physical evidence, weather reports, relevant flight data and testimonies of the two pilots who safely ejected, before drawing a conclusion. He said his initial assumption was that it was an accident and not a mechanical malfunction.

The two jets were refurbished before being deployed by the Air Force in 2002.

Meanwhile, more than 200 Royal Thai Air Force (RTAF) members scoured the crash sites in Chaiyaphum on Tuesday out of concern some hazardous items or explosives were scattered in the area.

The operation lasted from 9am till 4pm and ammunition and explosives were retrieved. They were all sent to a military base in Nakhon Ratchasima.

The RTAF also cordoned off the area within a 3-km radius of the crash sites for at least two more days.

Large machinery will be brought in to dig up the debris of the warplanes. Some parts were buried up to 10 metres into the ground following the impact of the crashes.

The first crash site is at the foot of a mountain by Wang Phon-Nong Kwang village. The second is by Hin Neeb Village. Both are in Chaiya-phum's Mueang district.
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QUOTE(FLampard @ Feb 17 2011, 01:10 PM)
hahaha........ like one of my Iran friends said

In Malaysia, if you keep quiet, you are safe, no one can touch you/

but if you talk too much, you are in trouble.

So i suggest we should just stfu.
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yr Iranian friend confuse with SG not Msia doh.gif doh.gif

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