Radar Lock can be detected. how? here how it is; Radar have two mode of operation. scanning mode and tracking mode.

in scanning mode, the radar seeker head swerve left and right illuminating everything in the fighter's forward arc. in this mode, any objects within the radar arc were illuminated periodically. it's good enough to give you the tactical picture, but not accurate enough to guide a weapon.

Then there's tracking mode. in this mode the radar seeker head point on a specific target. in tracking mode, the radar can only detect and track one target and the radar seeker head will continuously point on the tracked target and follow it wherever it goes until the pilot break the lock (there's Track-While-Scan, but that's beyond most of you and i'm too lazy to explain it).

here's how pilot know they were being locked. before lock-on, the radar warning receiver will detect the radar in pulses as the radar on the enemy fighter scan left and right periodically. Whether the radar wave that's bounce of your fighter was strong enough for the enemy radar to detect, you will never know. that mean's you know there's a radar pointed at your aircraft but you don't know wether it detect you or not. When the enemy radar lock on you, the radar warning receiver will give a long continuous tone like a buzzer. That's because the radar seeker head no longer swerve left and right but instead it pointed at your position and will stay with you wherever you fly.

There's no fully reliable way to detect a Heat seeking missile. recently, the american have developed a Missile approach warning system. it combine a heat sensor and a series of milimetric wave radar systems positioned throughout the airframe. The heat sensor will detect the plume from missile rocket motor and the milimetric wave radar will then track the missile as it approach the target. Not sure how effective the system is.



IR jammer originally is a system that transmit a pulses of IR emission. it has something to do with the early IR missile seeker which involve a rotating rectangular mirror. if i were to explain to you how this type of missile seeker work, it'll take several pages of article which i'm to lazy to write and you all too lazy to read. suffice to say that when IR seeker are not centre on target, it'll get pulse IR emission from target and when it center on target it'll get a continous IR emission from the target. IR jammer use the IR pulses to fool the Missile seeker into thinking it's not centre on target yet. But as the IR seeker are moving from traditional "Mirror Base Single Element" into more advance "CCD Base Multi-Elements", the pulse jammer are no longer effective. The laser jammer design to overwhelm the seeker only serve to give the missile extra IR energy for the missile to lock on to.

This post has been edited by Fadly: Jan 31 2011, 09:58 PM

We dun need dedicated attack heli if we have a good air defense system. Even USAF Apaches were grounded during the Kosovo campign due to the Serbs good air defense system. Therefore, we should invest more on mobile air defense system like the Tunguska or Tor M1

If PR dun whine, we'll end up over-priced military equipments. Mindef is a lubok for those cronies and JPs Inc.

I disagree. Dedicated attack helicopter are Indispensible in a modern highly mobile battlefield. even a few of this may influence the outcome of a battle.

another CV90 tank...
y no take BAE 1....
BAE...


Anders...


Austrian-Spanish ASCOD project

i thought a version of AV-8 is supposed to replace the scorpion.or is it for sibmas and condors only?

AV-8 is for sibmas and condors replacement

Attack helis only work well against enemies with non-adequate air defense system. Wonder why our defence planners werent that worried when Thailand, SG and Indon have attack helis? And all the time, those defence companies were the one who actually trying to push their products to us, including the unproven and large Rooivalk.

Gunship + elements of suprise can destroy tons of frontline... ---> there are tons of dimension of stratergy can be apply wit gunship... eventhough it is weak againts antiair...
Those country dun have huge amount of Gunship...
Indon only have 6units IINM typically useless... they dun even have the technology to guide long range attack for their Gunship so no worry here...
Singapore is our allies eventhough our politician condition are not as freindly but our military cooperation are pretty good...

we need opposition to not make MINDEF a lubuk emas but i just wish the make better arguments..their arguments are pretty weak.i thought PR had a number of ex-military officers in them.why not ask them..if they keep getting advise from ex-US secretary of defence tony pua then they are not gonna win the support of former and current serving soldiers where in some places are key voting areas.getting 5000++ votes helps alot..

helis? anti-matter rifle can take them down right?

they can't even get the simple thing right. what else can you expect from them? not worth arguing at all

i think you mean anti-material rifle..an anti matter rifle would probably create a black hole

oh ya.. .u r right... that 1... so how? can go through right? just a matter of hitting it?

if they went to MP.net or here it wouldnt hurt,but politicians usually ooze cocky-ness and douchebag-gatory

why are all politicians cocky?their tie too tight?parliment seat not comfy enough?maybe its the food served at the parliment cafeteria,i ate there and it tasted like cock

yeah its just a matter of hitting it..the bullet proof glass is able to withstand .50 BMG shots but other areas arent as armored..the main rotor and cockpit are the most armored areas...but i kindda doubt 1 shot would do it..concentrated fire maybe

watch MW2 ending, Price took a snipe shot at General Shepherds Heli at least 100 metres away on a SHAKING boat in the river and the heli went mayday.

if everyone was like price then helis are doomed liao

btw,nice quoted sig..ehem ehm...

Afghanistan in the 80's, people!

Attack Helicopter are pretty much useless when cheap MANPAD flooded the market.

hahaahaa tat quote from that bugger really impressed me and the mod with his enormous ego so much that the mod removed his comment

both, the advantage of scorpion is the speed!

The PUTD are taken the first step into it!
that's why they have AW109.

right, good network of mobile air defense system is vital.

actually I dont care the PR whine about the price if they make a right and thorough research and not just by googling ,

but when they always make stupid remarks that not helping at all!


sibmas, radpenzer and av8 is a wheel apc/ifv/fbi/cia/ncis/m.i.c.k.e.y.m.o.u.s.e while scorpion is tracked tank

rooivalk has been scraped from ATM procurement list even in the 90s (trust me I know) by the valuation team
a good manpads system one of the best way to counter attack copter


anti material rifle are hard to handle as due to the weight and the recoil in order to attack a fast moving target like helicopter

but a Manpads with heat seeking missile like our own Fn6!