Where does one draw the line between voicing and opinion and making an accusation though?

Rather than taking action, I'd rather they look at prevention. Accusations that a ref is biased usually surface after fans watch replays and the ref was clearly wrong. This in turn can be attributed to FIFAs reluctance to introduce video replays. I'll stop here before I stray any further but you get the gist of it.

For the sake of sticking to the thread title, I'll try to keep this discussion in the context of this incident. If I read you right, you are suggesting that the FA has clamp down on this to set and example. As it is they have been rather inconsistent in dealing with comments or accusations made verbally to the press. This in itself has led to accusations of favouratism practiced by the FA. If they do decide to make an example of Babel, they need to ensure that it is a blanket rule and that they punish any offender, regardless of reputation or status. Or, they can take this as a one-off and deal with each issue as it arises.

Where does one draw the line between voicing and opinion and making an accusation though?

Rather than taking action, I'd rather they look at prevention. Accusations that a ref is biased usually surface after fans watch replays and the ref was clearly wrong. This in turn can be attributed to FIFAs reluctance to introduce video replays. I'll stop here before I stray any further but you get the gist of it.

For the sake of sticking to the thread title, I'll try to keep this discussion in the context of this incident. If I read you right, you are suggesting that the FA has clamp down on this to set and example. As it is they have been rather inconsistent in dealing with comments or accusations made verbally to the press. This in itself has led to accusations of favouratism practiced by the FA. If they do decide to make an example of Babel, they need to ensure that it is a blanket rule and that they punish any offender, regardless of reputation or status. Or, they can take this as a one-off and deal with each issue as it arises.

If someone stands in the middle of 1 Utama and shouts, "my girlfriend is a whore!", can he get sued for defamation? I think not. Social media is basically someone shouting his thoughts out in the middle of 1 Utama albeit with the aid of a powerful sound wave enchancer.

......They had best be careful to remain fair and be seen to be fair, as recent campaigns have shown, if that ocean get whipped up it can envelope mere national bodies in a single dismissive wave.
Any attempt by the FA to become the Twitter Police will not only fail but it will also be incredibly unwelcome in the community of Twitter users and likely end up with the FA looking foolish.
What next for the FA? A full time Twitter officer to scan for and discipline the offenders, a 5th official in the changing room to listen out for “excited utterance” after the game?  May be a Blog bobby to review more considered comments.
As above, however offensive comments are, at the end of the day, offensive and the normal rules apply to me, you and Ryan Babel. His Tweets have become part of a bigger issue. It looks inevitable he will be taken through the FA procedure correctly and punished accordingly. That doesn’t mean though that any punishment is warranted or wise.

As a final thought, please compare Babel’s tweets against the record of the two managers from Saturday’s game. At different times to different games they have both “criticised” the referee. King Kenny appeared to call some of the same referees’ decisions’ a “joke” and who can forget Fergies’ “unfit” claim from a couple of years ago?

If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.

As a final thought, please compare Babel’s tweets against the record of the two managers from Saturday’s game. At different times to different games they have both “criticised” the referee. King Kenny appeared to call some of the same referees’ decisions’ a “joke” and who can forget Fergies’ “unfit” claim from a couple of years ago?

Let me be more succinct

Berba is known to dive. Yes he was booked before for diving.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...shois-yard.html

So IMO he is  a serial diver. I have posted that in MU thread and have been warned that action will be taken against me if I say anymore negative things about MU players in their thread 

Anyways most of us (non MU fans) agree that it shouldn't have been a penalty. That includes Liverpool players who are first account witnesses!

My point is that why and that of BABEL (our main protagonist in this thread) too  does MU always get the rub of the green i.e. Howard Webb apparently and without hesitation always give MU the ADVANTAGE (in this case a penalty & a Goal as a result) ?
And especially at OT. No?

So are we talking about who dives professionally and who dives like a retard?

If we've decided to carry on with the decision made by FA, I shall share my opinion.

I think FA just over-exaggerate the whole incident. But at same time, putting the ref with Man Utd shirt also somewhat insulting the ref and the club.

'What is it about Howard Webb and Old Trafford' asked the front-page blurb of F365 after Sunday's rather

controversial FA Cup clash. Well now you can judge for yourself with our guide to his last ten matches at OT...




Man United 1 Man City 2, February 10, 2008
City's victory is more comfortable than the scoreline suggests - United score their goal in injury-time - and Webb

enjoys a relatively easy day at the office. The game marks the last time that United fail to win a game at Old Trafford

officiated by the Yorkshireman.



Man 2 United Arsenal 1, April 19, 2008
There is little argument from the Arsenal players - five of whom are booked during the 90 minutes - when William

Gallas handles in the area and Webb awards a penalty that sees Cristiano Ronaldo equalise from the spot. Ten

minutes later, Owen Hargreaves - remember him? - scores United's winner direct from a free-kick.


"You could give or not give the penalty. For the free-kick, Gilberto did not touch him," complains Arsene Wenger.



Man United 3 Chelsea 0, January 11, 2009
Less than 48 hours after Rafa Benitez advises Luiz Felipe Scolari to "man-mark" Ferguson and his coaching staff

at half-time so that the referee is protected from interference, Webb cautions four Chelsea players within half an

hour before a Nemanja Vidic header on the stroke of half-time sets United on their way to an emphatic victory.


Just moments before the Vidic goal, Webb had ruled out a Wayne Rooney 'goal' after United had taken a short

corner that went unnoticed by most spectators inside Old Trafford.



Man United 2 Blackburn 1, February 21, 2009
Webb disallows a Jonny Evans header and cautions Cristiano Ronaldo for diving shortly before the forward scores

the game's winning goal. Rovers complain afterwards that Ronaldo should have also been booked for flicking out - it

hardly amounts to a kick - at David Dunn but the game's most controversial moment occurs in the final seconds

when a clear shirt-pull inside the area by Rafael on Morten Gamst Pedersen goes unpunished.


"It would have to be pretty blatant to get a penalty at Old Trafford. We all know that," rages an angry Sam Allardyce.

"You'd have to ask Howard Webb if Ronaldo should have been on the pitch. Those things come and go when you're

playing at Old Trafford, don't they?"



Man United 5 Tottenham 2, April 24, 2009
In the words of the Daily Telegraph, 'it could have been the decision that secured United the championship'. United

are trailing 2-0 with barely half an hour left to play when Webb - 'who was almost 35 yards away, and behind play' -

awards a penalty when Heurelho Gomes tangles with Michael Carrick. Replays clearly show the goalkeeper took

ball before man. "The players can't believe it," says Harry Redknapp. "It changed the game." Momentum shifted,

Spurs collapse and United never looked back.


"I think it was a case of a referee crumbling under the pressure at Old Trafford really," complains Jermaine Jenas.

"The atmosphere, the occasion, the importance of the match, a lot of factors take their toll when making decisions.

One thing which struck me about it was that he didn't even think. It was like he'd already made his mind up when he

came out for the second half that he was going to give something. It was a very important moment in the season."



Man United 3 Man City 1, January 27, 2010
Webb makes his first return to Old Trafford since the Gomes controversy for the second-leg Carling Cup semi-final.

United eventually progress to Wembley courtesy of an injury-time aggregate winner from Wayne Rooney, but the

outcome could have been very different had Rio Ferdinand justifiably received his marching orders after 24 minutes

of play after a clash with Carlos Tevez.


In the words of the BBC match report, 'Ferdinand was fortunate to escape punishment from referee Howard Webb

when he caught the Argentine in the face with a swinging arm as they tussled for possession.'



Man United 2 Liverpool 1, March 21, 2010
Sir Alex Ferguson and Rafa Benitez clash on the touchline after Webb awards the home side a controversial 19th-

minute penalty that enables the champions to draw level after Fernando Torres' early opener.


With replays also showing that the initial contact between Javier Mascherano and Antonio Valencia occurred

outside of the box, Benitez accuses the United player of diving to win the penalty. Ferguson responds by applauding

Webb's decision and arguing Mascherano should have been dismissed. "Refs are professional but we know about

the influence of Sir Alex in everything," counters Benitez.



Man United 3 Liverpool 2, September 19, 2010
Though Liverpool claw their way back into the match through two disputed decisions, neither call is made by Webb.

"They didn't offer anything and depended on decisions from the linesman to get back in the game," notes Sir Alex.

With Darren Cann flagging for both infringements, and replays offering no evidence that Webb would have awarded

either the free-kick or the penalty from which Steven Gerrard scores, the referee's big decision of the day is whether

or not to dismiss last man John O'Shea for pulling back Fernando Torres.


As F365 argued at the time: 'The decision was taken quickly and apparently made without any consultation between

Webb and Darren Cann, his long-time assistant whose flag-waving prompted the award of a free-kick. Ref365

argues in support of Webb on the basis that replays 'suggest' Torres would not have reached the ball. Denied the

use of a replay, it must have been a 50-50 call from the officials and it's certainly debatable whether a defender

making such a cynical foul in the full knowledge that he was the last man deserved the benefit of any doubt.'



Man United 1 Arsenal 0, December 13, 2010
Cann is not on duty and it is Webb's new assistant Dave Bryan who awards United a second-half penalty for a non-

existent handball by Gael Clichy. Webb rubber-stamps the award and justice - or something close to it - is only

served when Rooney blazes over the ball.


Four of the visitors are cautioned over the course of the game, while Rio Ferdinand escapes punishment for a hip-

high, studs-up challenge on Bacary Sagna and Darren Fletcher isn't even cautioned for chasing after Webb before

pushing the official.



Man United 1 Liverpool 0, January 9, 2011
In sharp contrast to events six months previously, it is Webb, from a distance of around 25 yards, who awards

United their match-winning penalty for an alleged offence that occurs on almost exactly the same part of the pitch

that saw Cann award Liverpool their penalty at Old Trafford in September. Replays indicate that Berbatov falls to the

ground in an exaggerated fashion and show that Webb linesman did not signal that any foul took place. "The penalty

is a joke," says new Pool boss Kenny Dalglish.


The Scot is further aggrieved by Webb's decision to dismiss Steven Gerrard but there is little sympathy for the

Liverpool captain after his reckless lunge

Worse crime ? Easy john terry tidur dgn awek wayne bridge.  Hands down. Tweeting cant even come close to this.

LOL. TS clearly have that much HATRED against Man Utd.

The thread started fine and he keep on babbling on Berbatov and Babel. To add insult to injury, he then go on find all of the matches that 'went' United's way.

TS, these things have their own fate and story. You have decisions go and against you. People, if they want, could easily dig up all of the materials on De Jong and pointed them up here.

Get back to the topic. Don't be an ass and make yourself look stupid.

Just to entertain you, here you go

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/no...ter-united-live

no offense to the chelsea fans, this is just a matter in entertaining the TS 'love' of Man United.