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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club - The Kop Talks 2011, Konchesky, Ayala left, Torres next?

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post Jan 20 2011, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(digilife @ Jan 20 2011, 10:32 AM)
our team was used to be a FEARED team under those Managers

hope those Aura will be back if KD is still the manager by next season

Feared team means we are already one Nil up b4 the match even begin thumbup.gif
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Yup, really agree with you, but now our defence have too many weakness that give our opponents a lot of chances. We need to let our opponents know that if you trying to attack us, you may risk to concede goals for us because our defenders are so solid and we do not worry about it at all, we can concentrate on attacking side.
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Don't know why, I'm not one bit excited about any new signings, I'm just looking forward to the next game, wanting us to win it for the king.

Like Duke mentioned earlier, pass and move, I see us going that direction from our recent football. Suarez or not, I refuse to believe that our squad is in fact that week. Lucas has pretty much taken over 50% of Mascherano's work and in fact added a little bit of spices himself. Meireles added some mobility as well as the "don't mess with me" look to boss the midfield, both players pretty much complement each other with their habit of passing short as well as move around to find spaces.

Personally, I do not like to talk about formations or tactics, I'm no expert there and I find it hard to discuss as I believe there are more to things than just formation. Rafa Benitez (Here we go again) once mentioned 4-4-2, 4-5-1, 4-3-3, etc are all similar, it just depends on how much you wanna push the wingers, the defenders as well as how many strikers you wanna go with, if you intend to play with 4-3-3, from a 4-5-1, we just need to push our wide players up front, from a 4-4-2, which in our case, Gerrard to support the strikers and so on. So to judge a formation based on the players on the field is pretty shallow imo.

Suarez will definitely contribute some, but I do believe, with Kenny back at helm, it could be back to the old Liverpool style, keep everything private till done. So I'm not optimistic about this signing, plus 18 million quid, it's hard to imagine that the owners would spend that much on a temporary manager.
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post Jan 20 2011, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(Petre @ Jan 20 2011, 08:57 AM)
roy keane?
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post Jan 20 2011, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Jan 20 2011, 10:45 AM)
Don't know why, I'm not one bit excited about any new signings, I'm just looking forward to the next game, wanting us to win it for the king.

Like Duke mentioned earlier, pass and move, I see us going that direction from our recent football. Suarez or not, I refuse to believe that our squad is in fact that week. Lucas has pretty much taken over 50% of Mascherano's work and in fact added a little bit of spices himself. Meireles added some mobility as well as the "don't mess with me" look to boss the midfield, both players pretty much complement each other with their habit of passing short as well as move around to find spaces.

Personally, I do not like to talk about formations or tactics, I'm no expert there and I find it hard to discuss as I believe there are more to things than just formation. Rafa Benitez (Here we go again) once mentioned 4-4-2, 4-5-1, 4-3-3, etc are all similar, it just depends on how much you wanna push the wingers, the defenders as well as how many strikers you wanna go with, if you intend to play with 4-3-3, from a 4-5-1, we just need to push our wide players up front, from a 4-4-2, which in our case, Gerrard to support the strikers and so on. So to judge a formation based on the players on the field is pretty shallow imo.

Suarez will definitely contribute some, but I do believe, with Kenny back at helm, it could be back to the old Liverpool style, keep everything private till done. So I'm not optimistic about this signing, plus 18 million quid, it's hard to imagine that the owners would spend that much on a temporary manager.
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Wouldn't it mean that King Kenny will be at the helm for a long time?
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post Jan 20 2011, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(coolmast3r @ Jan 20 2011, 01:40 PM)
Wouldn't it mean that King Kenny will be at the helm for a long time?
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the one that is controlling the transfer is damien comolli..not kenny..
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 20 2011, 09:55 AM)
Aye and the ressies beat your team as well, Man City  smile.gif


Added on January 20, 2011, 10:20 amReading several threads here, I see one commonality. Posters are always talking about which positions to bolster. Seriously, new players come secondary to me. To what you say? To developing a system of play. The latter is long term of course but every new manager should work hard on getting whatever players he has at his disposal to play his way. The reason Liverpool were so successful in the past over 4 managers i.e. Shankly, Paisley, Fagan and Dalglish, is because we played good football and regardless of which players came or left, our style never changed. It is also the reason Man Utd are doing so well despite fielding average players in various positions over the years. What I would like to focus on is what Dalglish is trying to do to address this issue. Its been said to death that we used to pass and move, and with Dalglish focusing on 5-a-sides, I'm hoping it will only be a matter of time when we see the team attacking in pockets of 3-5 players. We've already seen signs of this. When we have an established style, you don't need too many expensive big signings because each player makes the other stronger and better.
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I agree, team play is the most important, not players.
You can have 10x Torres on the field, but still lose the game.

The most important thing is know how to play football, fluid football, and water-tight defence.
AF and AW is the example, player come and go, while style of football, ability to play football rather remain intact.


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post Jan 20 2011, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(digilife @ Jan 20 2011, 09:34 AM)
see wat happened to Chelsea's Defence once Carvalho was sold?

we need a big size, dark skinned defensive player like Bramble

any suggestion?
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Bramble? he's improving from his time at Newcastle and Wigan but he's a bit like calamity.

QUOTE(coolmast3r @ Jan 20 2011, 01:40 PM)
Wouldn't it mean that King Kenny will be at the helm for a long time?
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It's now or never. if the board don't act fast to help KD rebuild the squad during the current transfer window and remainder of the season, Liverpool will go nowhere except down. For long term or not, KD is a Liverpool manager and the board must provide with what KD needs that might be able to help Liverpool climb back to the top half of the table and safe from the relegation zone.

Once the players adopted to the playing system establish by KD, Liverpool will get the stability needed. As long Liverpool are still in EPL, KD and the players can live to fight for another day.
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post Jan 20 2011, 05:26 PM

I was like LOL :D
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 20 2011, 03:15 PM)
I agree, team play is the most important, not players.
You can have 10x Torres on the field, but still lose the game.

The most important thing is know how to play football, fluid football, and water-tight defence.
AF and AW is the example, player come and go, while style of football, ability to play football rather remain intact.
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Very true! thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
and Liverpool has lost it. I believe. Looking back at Liverpool game play while still having luis garcia, risse, kewell, xabi.
is very different compared to nowadays
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Titus "I can't focus" Bramble? We seriously need to set out sights higher. I don't see why being "dark skinned" has anything to do with it but Bramble is nothing more than a capable backup. Once a promising youngster, he never fulfilled his potential because he couldn't keep his concentration and as a defender, you can never swich off..


Added on January 20, 2011, 7:31 pmKewell? Didn't do anything in a red shirt and pissed McMahon off whilst testing during the 2nd leg against Barcelona.

I was thinking further back. If you think we played riveting football under Benitez, try to d/l older games during the days of Dalglish or earlier.

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post Jan 20 2011, 07:46 PM

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Even Evan's boys were entertaining. The McManaman lad could dribble as well as anybody, although his crosses and finishing often left much to be desired. Good thing we had Fowler up top back then eh?
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errr...im agree with 'team play' not the player. what about 'manager must bring out the best from the player?'
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those who disagree with me that we brought in too many flops previously is really an ignorant egoist.

don't forget how much we spend on Robbie Keane, Bellamy, Johnson, Pennant, Aquilani, Josemi, Krompkamp, Leto etc...

and we let go Peter Crouch and these players easily ie. Smicer, Hypia, Hamann, these players can still play actually. They can be like Scholes or Giggs in the team, where we lack off now.

We shouldn't release players or sell for profit just for that few millions, see why Brown, O' shea never complain of not getting enough matches? Because they know....and respect SAF.


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QUOTE(fk2222 @ Jan 20 2011, 11:50 PM)
those who disagree with me that we brought in too many flops previously is really an ignorant egoist.

don't forget how much we spend on Robbie Keane, Bellamy, Johnson, Pennant, Aquilani, Josemi, Krompkamp, Leto etc...

and we let go Peter Crouch and these players easily ie. Smicer, Hypia, Hamann, these players can still play actually. They can be like Scholes or Giggs in the team, where we lack off now.

We shouldn't release players or sell for profit just for that few millions, see why Brown, O' shea never complain of not getting enough matches? Because they know....and respect SAF.
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Too many mediocre signings... and we ended up spending a lot overall. Would you buy 10 Wiras, or just one BMW? One would think it would be obvious, especially you really need ONE good car.


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Liverpool director Damien Comolli has revealed the club ARE interested in Luis Suarez and Ashley Young, although there is no movement over their potential transfers to Anfield.

"We are looking primarily for an offensive player because the team is short on pace,'' he said. ''As for Suarez, At the moment there is no dialogue with Ajax but he is one of the players we are interested in. Will he be available in January? It's another issue.

"As for Young, if he is available then he will be of interest for us. But I do not think that this is the case."
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 20 2011, 05:37 PM)
Titus "I can't focus" Bramble? We seriously need to set out sights higher. I don't see why being "dark skinned" has anything to do with it but Bramble is nothing more than a capable backup. Once a promising youngster, he never fulfilled his potential because he couldn't keep his concentration and as a defender, you can never swich off..


Added on January 20, 2011, 7:31 pmKewell? Didn't do anything in a red shirt and pissed McMahon off whilst testing during the 2nd leg against Barcelona.

I was thinking further back. If you think we played riveting football under Benitez, try to d/l older games during the days of Dalglish or earlier.
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agreed. titus Bramble is a good defender but he is not consistent. it is normal for a defender to have a bad day once in a while but in Bramble case, he's like a time bomb. u'll never know when he's going to commit a silly mistake that prove to be costly. it's a big no. Still have many proven centre backs out there such as Kjaer (a Liverpool fan), Gary Cahill, Ryan Shawcross (unless u don't mind that he is once an MU player), and Matthew Upson who would open to a chance of joining Liverpool.

QUOTE(fk2222 @ Jan 20 2011, 11:50 PM)
those who disagree with me that we brought in too many flops previously is really an ignorant egoist.

don't forget how much we spend on Robbie Keane, Bellamy, Johnson, Pennant, Aquilani, Josemi, Krompkamp, Leto etc...

and we let go Peter Crouch and these players easily ie. Smicer, Hypia, Hamann, these players can still play actually. They can be like Scholes or Giggs in the team, where we lack off now.

We shouldn't release players or sell for profit just for that few millions, see why Brown, O' shea never complain of not getting enough matches? Because they know....and respect SAF.
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Aquilani weren't given much chance to prove his worth given that he just recover from serious injury. about the others, yeah, a failure but Bellamy look ok to me during his time at anfield. Harry Kewell was the biggest dissapointment among them all i guess.

QUOTE(weichieh007 @ Jan 21 2011, 09:22 AM)
Liverpool director Damien Comolli has revealed the club ARE interested in Luis Suarez and Ashley Young, although there is no movement over their potential transfers to Anfield.

"We are looking primarily for an offensive player because the team is short on pace,'' he said. ''As for Suarez, At the moment there is no dialogue with Ajax but he is one of the players we are interested in. Will he be available in January? It's another issue.

"As for Young, if he is available then he will be of interest for us. But I do not think that this is the case."
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Ashley Young eh? English players don't come cheap. He's good nonetheless; pacy, tricky, good delivery but this season he's not the ashley Young we knew last season.
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QUOTE(fk2222 @ Jan 20 2011, 11:50 PM)
those who disagree with me that we brought in too many flops previously is really an ignorant egoist.

don't forget how much we spend on Robbie Keane, Bellamy, Johnson, Pennant, Aquilani, Josemi, Krompkamp, Leto etc...

and we let go Peter Crouch and these players easily ie. Smicer, Hypia, Hamann, these players can still play actually. They can be like Scholes or Giggs in the team, where we lack off now.

We shouldn't release players or sell for profit just for that few millions, see why Brown, O' shea never complain of not getting enough matches? Because they know....and respect SAF.
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kromkamp free..josemi was a cheap buy..bellamy was never a flop..we sold him for a profit...keane i agree..biggest flop under Rafa..crouch was making noises bout not getting a game..rafa have to sell unhappy player..and we got profit from it..johnson flop??...yea rite!!..but to compare with other clubs..our transfer record is not that bad...sheva for 30m & now where he's playing?..remember Veron for 28m??..crocked hargreaves for 17m??...every club has their bad buys..u will never see a club got their transfer 100% right! nod.gif
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QUOTE(kamkamparadise @ Jan 21 2011, 09:42 AM)
Still have many proven centre backs out there such as Kjaer (a Liverpool fan), Gary Cahill, Ryan Shawcross (unless u don't mind that he is once an MU player), and Matthew Upson who would open to a chance of joining Liverpool.
Actually, I would love to see how Martin Kelly will do there. From what I've seen this season, he's more physically adept than Martin Skrtel. Both are the same height but Kelly has been stronger in the air, and he's definitely the quicker of the two. Skrtel doesn't read the game particularly well either and with a little more exposure, Kelly could just turn out to be Carra's replacement. No need to look elsewhere unless we absolutely have to. Having said that, signing a centreback is crucial to address our immediate defensive woes what with Skrtel out of sorts, Carra looking like he's getting on and Kyrgiakos vulnerable against quicker forwards.

Sami Hyypia? Fantastic player but I've nothing against the club letting him go. He constantly found it a struggle to keep pace with the game in England and I do think it was time for him to find greener pastures. Looking forward to him returning in the capacity of a coach though.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 21 2011, 10:47 AM)
Actually, I would love to see how Martin Kelly will do there. From what I've seen this season, he's more physically adept than Martin Skrtel. Both are the same height but Kelly has been stronger in the air, and he's definitely the quicker of the two. Skrtel doesn't read the game particularly well either and with a little more exposure, Kelly could just turn out to be Carra's replacement. No need to look elsewhere unless we absolutely have to. Having said that, signing a centreback is crucial to address our immediate defensive woes what with Skrtel out of sorts, Carra looking like he's getting on and Kyrgiakos vulnerable against quicker forwards.

Sami Hyypia? Fantastic player but I've nothing against the club letting him go. He constantly found it a struggle to keep pace with the game in England and I do think it was time for him to find greener pastures. Looking forward to him returning in the capacity of a coach though.
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CB is needed, too many mistake and loose defending, as seen from the Everton match.

Leading 1-0 comfortably, suddenly 2 error defending causing 3 points gone.

Krygiakos is particularly useful for corner kick, as aerial ability/attacking sense is good, but defending wise sometimes very shaky and no confidence enough.

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On the issue of transfers, looks like we're weighing up a bid for James Milner. Seems like he's been around for ages but he's still only 25. Of all the players we've been linked with recently, I think Milner is the most exciting. He can play anywhere across the middle and he's quick enough to play wide.

On another note, Xabi says "hi".

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You'll never walk alone: Real Madrid ace Xabi Alonso declares his love for Liverpool supporters
By Ashley Gray

Xabi Alonso has paid a glowing tribute to Liverpool supporters and admits the time he spent at Anfield will always have a special place in his heart.

The Spain midfielder quit Merseyside for Real Madrid before the start of last season and has impressed as much in La Liga as he did in the Barclays Premier League.

But back in an environment where supporters are quick to wave white handkerchiefs of surrender in a show of dissent against the clubs they love, Alonso remembers a very different attitude from The Kop.

'To play for Liverpool is something very special,’ he told the Spanish editition of Vogue magazine.

‘There is a very intimate connection between the fans and players that doesn’t exist at other clubs.

‘Even in bad times, the stands do not whistle, instead they sing, “You’ll Never Walk Alone”.’

The 29-year-old’s wife Nagore has equally fond memories of her former home after making the life-changing decision to move when Alonso moved from Real Sociedad to Liverpool in 2004.

Nagore, who had their first child Jontxu on Merseyside in 2008 and has since added daughter Ane to the family, said: ‘It was the best move I made (coming to Liverpool).
‘The relationship went a step further. I had been working on a film production team (at the time), but I packed my bags and went.’

And while many WAGs worry that their partners will appear in lurid newspaper headlines, she has few fears about the man she married eight years ago.
‘I can’t complain,’ she said. ‘I am lucky - Xabi doesn’t go to parties. He spends all his free time with us. After a match or training, he comes straight home.’

Liverpool fans may wish he never left them and there is still a bond with his old club.

Alonso was a surprise visitor to Anfield when Liverpool beat Aston Villa 3-0 in December and, earlier this month, he sent new Reds boss Kenny Dalglish a good luck message via Twitter.

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