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 ☆Fellowship of the Strings☆Violin,Viola,Cello etc., ~String Instruments Lovers are welcome!~

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post Jan 30 2011, 05:57 PM

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Hello, I'm an amateur violinist. Used to take lessons when I was in high school, stopped about 6 years ago. I have a full-sized Karl Höfner violin that I've not touched in a while--so much so the rubber on the shoulder rest is a goner, the varnish on the violin is faded and I don't know if the strings need to be replaced. For some reason the bowhair is super smooth, don't know why.

Have been mulling selling the violin, or to pick it up again but I'm really not sure. If I want to sell it, I was wondering how much I could put it up for?
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hey dude, so have u decided to sell ? haha cause i'm looking for one as well..
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post Jan 30 2011, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(Vio @ Jan 30 2011, 05:57 PM)
hey dude, so have u decided to sell ? haha cause i'm looking for one as well..
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What's your offer?
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post Jan 31 2011, 04:58 AM

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QUOTE(Stuffi @ Jan 30 2011, 12:10 PM)
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG ,
where is your house brows.gif  joo know what im going to do

VERY GORGEOUS
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waccha u gonna do shocking.gif cry.gif

QUOTE(kissmyass4147 @ Jan 30 2011, 03:30 PM)
Hello, I'm an amateur violinist. Used to take lessons when I was in high school, stopped about 6 years ago. I have a full-sized Karl Höfner violin that I've not touched in a while--so much so the rubber on the shoulder rest is a goner, the varnish on the violin is faded and I don't know if the strings need to be replaced. For some reason the bowhair is super smooth, don't know why.

Have been mulling selling the violin, or to pick it up again but I'm really not sure. If I want to sell it, I was wondering how much I could put it up for?
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you probably bought it at around RM180-300 (coz market is now selling new ones for RM260-290 in shops like woh fatt in petaling street). and for more than 6 years.... I am afraid its not gonna worth too much... Violin's price hike as it grew old if its hand made by a good luthier ... Same goes to violin bows which price will also hike if its hand made by a known violin bow maker. But you can't apply same to a machine-manufactured student's violin. For this type of violin, its good to let it go cheap if someone wants to buy it. smile.gif or keep it to pick up again. laugh.gif

Btw, I will add you into the violinist list. smile.gif

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post Jan 31 2011, 06:24 AM

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QUOTE(liez @ Jan 31 2011, 04:58 AM)
waccha u gonna do  shocking.gif  cry.gif
you probably bought it at around RM180-300 (coz market is now selling new ones for RM260-290 in shops like woh fatt in petaling street). and for more than 6 years.... I am afraid its not gonna worth too much... Violin's price hike as it grew old if its hand made by a good luthier ... Same goes to violin bows which price will also hike if its hand made by a known violin bow maker. But you can't apply same to a machine-manufactured student's violin. For this type of violin, its good to let it go cheap if someone wants to buy it.  smile.gif or keep it to pick up again.  laugh.gif

Btw, I will add you into the violinist list.  smile.gif
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Lol bro the value of the violin when it was new was about 6 times your price. This is a full-sized, Karl Hofner Bubenreuth 2000.
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post Jan 31 2011, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(kissmyass4147 @ Jan 31 2011, 06:24 AM)
Lol bro the value of the violin when it was new was about 6 times your price. This is a full-sized, Karl Hofner Bubenreuth 2000.
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O_o really? Coz you didn't specify the model I assume yours are the normal model that students use. Do you have idea whether it is a hand made ones or otherwise? Coz both fetches differences in price.
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QUOTE(liez @ Jan 31 2011, 09:26 AM)
O_o really? Coz you didn't specify the model I assume yours are the normal model that students use. Do you have idea whether it is a hand made ones or otherwise? Coz both fetches differences in price.
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As far as I know these are made in Bubenreuth, West Germany. But I will double check the model number and get back to you on that. Are second-hand violins generally worth more though?

I saw your new bow it looks awesome! Any cheaper ones around? I'm looking to get a new bow and shoulder rest if I decide not to sell. Also, know any luthiers who can properly clean the varnish on the violin body and the fade on the finger board? It's a little worn from 6 years of underuse otherwise it's a beautiful violin.
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QUOTE(kissmyass4147 @ Jan 31 2011, 10:09 AM)
As far as I know these are made in Bubenreuth, West Germany. But I will double check the model number and get back to you on that. Are second-hand violins generally worth more though?

I saw your new bow it looks awesome! Any cheaper ones around? I'm looking to get a new bow and shoulder rest if I decide not to sell. Also, know any luthiers who can properly clean the varnish on the violin body and the fade on the finger board? It's a little worn from 6 years of underuse otherwise it's a beautiful violin.
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Lol....no need to check it on purpose and get to me ler coz I don't really know Horfner models beside the student ones. Good second hand violins can worth more than newly made violins. laugh.gif

shoulder rest you can buy anyone you want as long as you feel comfort with them. Bows if you prefer cheaper ones.... There are alot of them. Maybe you can start with those Rm100-300 or RM500-800 first.

btw...you said you are looking for some luthiers or polishers to fix the violin right?

erm.... I don't really know one but I sent my violin to carismen dolce to fix once... Kinda pricey though... It cost about RM80 to fix my sound post alone and my cousin sister paid RM380 to fix sound post and the bridge altogether.

here's their contacts:-

Carismen Dolce Sdn. Bhd.
C-0-13 & C-1-13, Plaza Damas, No.60, Jalan Sri Hartamas 1,
50480 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Tel: 03-62032718 Fax: 03-62035415/62574564
E-mail:carismen@streamyx.com/ dolce@streamyx.com
Website: www.cdviolin.com

maybe anyone here can share more local violin fixers or polishers.

I heard Euro string too has context for this kind of service. Might want to try there as well?

Euro Music Distributor Sdn.bhd.
135A, Jln Imbi, 55100 Kuala Lumpur, Wilayah Persekutuan
03-2144 0117


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post Jan 31 2011, 11:06 AM

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lol i don't knw. coz i already have mine.. and i'm planning to get one for my sis for her birthday..
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post Jan 31 2011, 12:23 PM

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Hey thanks Liez. Vio, give it a thought la. That violin will cost upwards of RM1800 now so you might want to consider a cheaper alternative.

Cheers.
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post Jan 31 2011, 12:42 PM

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2nd Hand violins are in abundance. There are tons of them! :-) That was how I bought mine. No way I can get to try ALL cos too many...so I bought mine after hearing as many I can could.

Take your time.
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QUOTE(kissmyass4147 @ Jan 31 2011, 12:23 PM)
Hey thanks Liez. Vio, give it a thought la. That violin will cost upwards of RM1800 now so you might want to consider a cheaper alternative.

Cheers.
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haha can giv me a range?
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post Jan 31 2011, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(Vio @ Jan 31 2011, 01:36 PM)
haha can giv me a range?
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Well, if you think she's going to be serious about it, get a good one. If just 'cuba try dulu' get one of those Skylark (Chinese) violins. They're only a few hundred each.

Btw Liez, I recall someone writing about a carbon fibre bow the other day. Is it good?
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post Jan 31 2011, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(kissmyass4147 @ Jan 31 2011, 02:11 PM)
Well, if you think she's going to be serious about it, get a good one. If just 'cuba try dulu' get one of those Skylark (Chinese) violins. They're only a few hundred each.

Btw Liez, I recall someone writing about a carbon fibre bow the other day. Is it good?
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don't worry haha she seems serious abt it.. and if she's not i can use it.. so still planning to sell?
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post Jan 31 2011, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(liez @ Jan 31 2011, 10:58 AM)
erm.... I don't really know one but I sent my violin to carismen dolce to fix once... Kinda pricey though... It cost about RM80 to fix my sound post alone and my cousin sister paid RM380 to fix sound post and the bridge altogether.
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oh, that big mouth lion shop ah...hahaha...

the in house luthier has got some good skill, probably one of the top 5 luthier in malaysia. but that guy lack some brain, and attitude is the WORST i've seen. ruined my violin before with some seriously stupid act, no apology, no nothing, some more talk c*ck to me. he probably did much better job now than before, but the price is going up up up, and attitude going down down down.

i don't like that shop. not that they're conman, but there're much better place for you to shop, with much less inflated price tag. the only good thing about the in house luthier is that he's doing this for a living, so you can reach him very easily and will get the job done pretty fast.


QUOTE(liez @ Jan 31 2011, 10:58 AM)
I heard Euro string too has context for this kind of service. Might want to try there as well?
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if you're not fussy about fine workmanship, euro music is a much better place to hang around. they can do decent job, but not that type who's deeply into repairing instruments. same as carismen dolce, they're very easy to reach and they'll fix your violin pretty fast too with some delay occasionally.

my current favourite luthier worked at home, along with instrument selling and little bit of teaching/performing. very good attitude, but a very busy man, sometimes quite difficult to reach him and make appointments. oh well, can't have the best of both world i guess.
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QUOTE(Vio @ Jan 31 2011, 02:59 PM)
don't worry haha she seems serious abt it.. and if she's not i can use it.. so still planning to sell?
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I'll PM you if I am.
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QUOTE(kissmyass4147 @ Jan 31 2011, 10:09 AM)
As far as I know these are made in Bubenreuth, West Germany. But I will double check the model number and get back to you on that. Are second-hand violins generally worth more though?

I saw your new bow it looks awesome! Any cheaper ones around? I'm looking to get a new bow and shoulder rest if I decide not to sell. Also, know any luthiers who can properly clean the varnish on the violin body and the fade on the finger board? It's a little worn from 6 years of underuse otherwise it's a beautiful violin.
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perhaps you should try Early Music Venture at Taman Desa. The boss is Mr. Wong but quite difficult to catch him in the morning...nice chap biggrin.gif
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post Feb 1 2011, 01:21 AM

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QUOTE(kissmyass4147 @ Jan 31 2011, 02:11 PM)
Well, if you think she's going to be serious about it, get a good one. If just 'cuba try dulu' get one of those Skylark (Chinese) violins. They're only a few hundred each.

Btw Liez, I recall someone writing about a carbon fibre bow the other day. Is it good?
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carbon fiber bows are generally a bow made out of carbon fiber to replace the scarce supply of pernambuco woods due to the depletion of pernambuco forest in south America...

carbon fiber(CF) bow is normally lighter than the traditional pernambuco bow and some claimed them to be more balance but you shouldn't start thinking CF bows are better than pernambuco bows. At the end of the day, its still the matter of budget as CF bows are far more cheaper than a pernambuco bow. So to sums it up....It depends what you are comparing... such as an expensive CF bow with a cheap wood bow. or a CF bow and a wood bow of same price....etc... here's a summary by one guy in a forum.

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At $250 and under, carbon fiber bows are very very hard to beat.

Up to about $800 or so, carbon fiber bows tend to be as good or better tnan your typical wood bow of comparable price.

At about $1,000 you can start getting master made wood bows that will outperform all but the best (and typically more expensive) carbon fiber bows.

I've not tried the $1,800 and up carbon fiber bows so I can't comment on how they compare to similarly priced wood bows.

At $3,000 and up, it's no contest. Wood rules.

- Ray Chen


so conclusion....its about the matter of budget and what's best in the price range.

To answer your question, CF bow is good as they are economical and not as heavy as wood bow though the tonality part is still debatable. There are some professionals are even using CF bows as for today.

here are some of the good CF bows that are recommended...

coda bows
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arcus bow
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my 2 cents. smile.gif

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He seems to be okay to me just that he speaks very very soft on the phone and I can hardly hear what he is trying to say thus I had to repeat the exact conversation with him twice at least. Like you say he is good though the price is a lil high. The reason I will go there is because of my cousin sister. But the music shop there is not too bad (though again and again you can expect their price to be a lil high), you can find many bows from different country there, many music books which some of them are currently out of stock in KL, some violins (but mostly are student model and some of them with very astonishing name but still a typical machine made student violin with a lil high price)

If you don't mind, you may share your luthier's contact here so forumers might have more choices when it comes to violin restoration.
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the coda and arcus carbon fibre bow available in malaysia ar?
how much roughly ?
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I do not know but you can try to find them in music stores.... lol. Not really a fan of CF bow coz bored of it already since been using it for many years since I was still a kid but Forgot all the feelings already. Coz I stopped 8 years in between. sweat.gif

Anyway... here are their websites.

http://www.codabow.com/
http://www.arcus-bow.de/english/01e_welcome.htm

you can contact them and acquire infos about their bows' availability and buy the bows directly from them. If you had no knowledge about this kind of international trade thingy. You can contacts some third party to help you bring them in.... Can easily find them in service noticeboard. those who helped others buy stuff from e-bayor amazon are the third party I am referring to....

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QUOTE(liez @ Feb 1 2011, 01:21 AM)
He seems to be okay to me just that he speaks very very soft on the phone and I can hardly hear what he is trying to say thus I had to repeat the exact conversation with him twice at least. Like you say he is good though the price is a lil high. The reason I will go there is because of my cousin sister. But the music shop there is not too bad (though again and again you can expect their price to be a lil high), you can find many bows from different country there, many music books which some of them are currently out of stock in KL, some violins (but mostly are student model and some of them with very astonishing name but still a typical machine made student violin with a lil high price)

If you don't mind, you may share your luthier's contact here so forumers might have more choices when it comes to violin restoration.
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of course he's ok with anyone who walk in with cash ready. he will not dare to challenge with money. dry.gif

if you try to annoy him more, he'll show his attitude, especially those more troublesome works that'll require lots of effort and time. i'm very fussy about my violin, and know exactly what kind of potential my violin has. asked him to tweak my violin more (even after he ruined my violin) he dare tell me he don't want to "waste" his time and ask me to tweak my violin myself, and get the tools myself.

imagine if he's a doctor and you're the patient, how will you feel? rolleyes.gif

by the way, remove all those "lil" in your post to make more sense. i wouldn't call RM1500~RM2000 violin selling at RM7000 "lil" high. tongue.gif


QUOTE(Stuffi @ Feb 1 2011, 11:31 AM)
the coda and arcus carbon fibre bow available in malaysia ar?
how much roughly ?
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cheapest Arcus bow is already 4 figure range. i don't have any experiences with Coda, but once owned the Arcus top model before. my advice is, if you want to get an Arcus, choose the lowest range instead, top of the line model doesn't worth the price IMHO. i sold my Arcus because found an old brand-less wooden bow (said to be french) that play and sound way better than that Arcus, that cost MUCH lower.

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