hi im new here in music section and im a newbie in keyboard that only noe how to play kiddies song ..can anyone recommend me to go music class like YAMAHA or find a personal teacher at home??? for music class i need to go 1utama to learn and is kind of inconvenience but for personal teacher i cant find a good one..btw im age 17+ now and i have a keyboard that worth Rm600+ at home

It is not encouraged to learn the piano with YAMAHA..

Mostly piano teachers are not hard to find unlike other instruments like violin, saxophone, clarinet, trumpet, trombone, flute because piano don't require so much skills like other instruments example trumpet, your buzzing must be stable. Therefore, your lungs' volume must be trained and the muscle of your diaphragm must be trained too so that you can hit high notes and low notes. And also there is one thing called intonation which require your buzzing and your air to produce appropriate.

Just practice and practice and practice in front of the piano for hours.
Who knows you can finished grade 8 in years of time ?
Good luck in finding a good teacher.

And just a reference for you, my first month of learning the piano is RM75 which has 4 lessons per month and each lessons are 30 minutes long. I don't know if you can find such cheap and good tutor and I don't know if the price has hiked.

well i dont want to be a orchestra or smth it is just a interest that i only need someone to tutor me how to read notes and the basics..well i search some video on internet but i will not progress very fast lol bcuz my basic is =.= so anyone here can recommend me a good tutor?

This post has been edited by funfunkid: Jan 9 2011, 06:49 PM

Who says playing piano doesn't require skills? You heard wrongly my friend. There are a lot of techniques to apply when playing, and they all sound different. Why is it some people graduate grade 8, but can't play well, and some people can play really well? It's all technique!

This post has been edited by maeyi: Jan 10 2011, 06:55 PM

eh so hows is it actually??

pls giv me suggestion :

the hard way or the easy way

EASY: go to music class..YAMAHA nears my mom working place..so is quite convenience but need to wait heck long after class...and the price is..i bet most of the ppl noe..and 1 day per week..need to start from the very beginning means i need to take a long time to progress lol

HARD: find a tutor which is =.= very hard and some is very hard to trust especially in forums..need to ask relative to help finding a good personal tutor..but the good thing is can progress very fast unlike like YAMAHA which need to take a very long time to progress...

so which one is good??

Funfun kid, where do you live? Suggest to find a music center near your place for your convenience.
if you intend to learn piano and staying nearby bandar sri damansara area, you can try www.deciso.my

grade 1 -45mins RM90

hope that helps.

do it the hard way can save some time and money Its not easy to find a good teacher. Can I know where do you stay? Maybe from the place you stay, I might be able to recommend you some good music schools?

ps for late reply..obviously in malaysia and stay in old klang road taman sri sentosa which is KL

haha... funfunkid, there is one in PJ old town just 5min from ur house. interested?

Piano doesnt require much skills?? hehehe.....I think you better learn piano 1st!

@liez
juz wan to noe u are student or teacher(adult) @_@ either one also can..and if u can come to my house and teach me can u giv me more detail PM me also can

@Karenalvin
can tell me the price and time? ^^

This post has been edited by funfunkid: Jan 10 2011, 08:24 PM

beginner is rm100 a month for 30 min sessions, i think.

time ah, its a school so quite many slots. when are u free? i be there tmrw morning. u might wana drop by if u have time lo.

@Karenalvin
im juz a student lol need to ask my mom to confirm haha..and i didnt have car lols need to consider do i need to go the complicated way like learning from grade 13 to ??? lol im not good in this XD can i noe the registration fee and other cost O.O

This post has been edited by funfunkid: Jan 10 2011, 09:00 PM

grade 13?

@Karenalvin
i think is the lowest grade at YAMAHA bah..really not sure..so now is sch days there will be less student right?? and which day can i come and only pay rm100 per month o.o only 1 day per week..ur music shop name is??

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Added on January 10, 2011, 11:18 pm@maeyi

er i send u a pm..can tell me more clearly send me a pm

This post has been edited by funfunkid: Jan 10 2011, 11:18 PM

@Karenalvin
the Grade 13 in yamaha, if i'm not mistaken, that's the Special course for music teaching or something like that.
Grade 13 the lowest and grade 5 consider the top. And not many of them who can reach grade 1&2.

@funfunkid
For piano lessons, normally from grade 1-8, follow by pre-dip, atcl/alcm, ltcl/llcm

is there class for once in every 2 weeks or even once a month?

Its yamaha syllabus.

question time:

is pedal are good?? good for?????

Pedal is essential

oh. haha.... i totally forgot keyboard dun always come with pedal.

yeah, pedal no good or not, its essential.

I usually abuse it to get a more legato sound haha

There are two types of courses you can go for:

A) ABRSM syllabus - Formal music education with Exams from grades 1-8 --> Diploma --> Degree
B) Casual play - More on the pop musics. No Exam, just for casual play (Including play by ear, it's a technique).

Keyboard != Piano

I prefer personal piano teacher that comes to the house.
Pretty piano teacher will be a great motivating factor that makes you practice harder! LOL

Hi all,
I plan to learn Keyboard soon
Some discourage me from learning Keyboard but Piano instead
GoD.. of course i know Piano sounds better
But due to many factors that I only be allowed to learn keyboard

There are few things that I wanted to know
1) Is it necessary to get a tutor?
2) Should/Must learn TauGe? ( previous I learn guitar by myself so i dont bother much about that ;P)
3) What actually different in Grade?

Thanks.

1)no if you are playing casually or playing for fun. Normally one learn keyboard to play chords and synchronize themselves in a band or vocal/choir team. unless they are playing keyboard like piano, instead of chords they play songs.
2)Not necessary if you are playing for fun. I knew alot of keyboardist played by ears thus its not necessary although I will recommend you to grasp an understanding about it. also, if you planned to play keyboard like piano, you will find notes(tauge) reading to be useful.
3)the higher a grade is, the harder one can pass that grade. people go to exam to examine themselves and see which levels they are.

conclusion, if you want to play songs, its better for you to look for a teacher and learn the notes. If you just want to play chords and assist a band/vocals/choir.... you can learn yourself from various source such as youtube/music books etc. oO there are also teachers that specialize in keyboard only.

This post has been edited by liez: Jan 16 2011, 08:23 AM

those who discouraged u from electronic keyboard are not doing it becoz of the sound, they are saying it becoz of the control and expression that are lacking in most keyboards

1) up to yourself, u can learn karate from books and youtube, but would u?

2) up to yourself again, u can learn to act in a shakespeare play without learning how to read, but would you?

3) its like belt in karate, u start off with white, then yellow, then all the way to black. a black belt can generally kill a white belt with KI alone. in piano u go from grade 1 to grade 8...

For me, I learnt organ.

If you have tutor, probably will let you know how to follow beats, set rhythm, and pedal control.
and remember, learn theory. so that you wont suffer urself on reading note when play the songs.

Hmm what is mean by Playing Keyboard like Piano, Instead of chords they play songs?
I thought both Keyboard and Piano can play Songs?


thx
In this case I think i shall learn tauge if I really into it.
So for Grade it is just to test ourself which levels we are at?


Yeah.. now i can see the functions of tutor =x

Btw, do you guys know is there any Musical School in Setapak?
and How much should I spend for the Keyboard?
Because my budget is only about RM350+/-

Thanks guys.

This post has been edited by Christopher7: Jan 16 2011, 05:05 PM

ermmmm.... i am afraid u need to spend much more than RM 350 for a keyboard. its is way way way too low of a budget

In this case i gonna give up on my MBP
How much do you think will be needed?

http://pianoforall.com/

Is this useful?
If i've to raise my budget for Keyboard i might as well need to pull out the fees for attending class

This post has been edited by Christopher7: Jan 16 2011, 07:10 PM

Guys,

Do you guys who have keyboard happen to hav this problem where the speakers produce constant humming buzz?

The buzz sounds like a static and would go away the second a note is played, but then when nothing is played it sounds again. It even sounds during the time gap between notes.

How could I fix this?

P/s - My keyboard is an old cheapo Casio LK series.

pianoforall, duno about it, cant comment. what kinda music do you wana play?

hmm.. I plan to play some Pop songs and Songs like Spanish Romance.
Normally how much should I spend for the Keyboard?
Cheap and good1
Roughly RM700

my 2 cents.

Now only I understand the main function of Keyboard
What do you think about the Schools there?
Normally they learn at Musical School can get certificate?
In this case i think i could only afford max of RM800 keyboard
But I wonder why some sellers are selling those keyboard ranging from RM300 - RMxxxx
What is the main different between those?
What keyboard do you think that is recommended for a beginner to start off?

Lastly, Is it advisable to get second hand keyboard?

Sorry for so many questions
and Thanks for your reply

wao my thread still alive~cool

cheaper keyboard do not have touch response, meaning that u cannot control the volume.

as to why sellers sell those is so as to cater to the demand. there are some who just wana hit some notes and will be happy, there are others who seek to put more emotion in their playing. different target audience different budget.

how serious are u in learning? if u are dead serious and even going for classes then there is really no point to get a toy instrument. it will only be a waste of your school fees if you dun have a proper instrument to play on.

secondhands are fine.

before anything else i guess u better spend some time to discover for yourself what you want in your music education and the amount effort you like to put it becoz a good keyboard is not cheap.....

Wow ... Piano don't require so much skills You are totally wrong, dude. Do you know these? Balancing tone, passing of thumb, arpeggio, singing top note, clean and clear running notes, broken octaves, octaves, trills, double trills ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU-5u2dmXdM
This is technique.

This post has been edited by christellia: Jan 16 2011, 11:14 PM

well you started your question and ask someone recommended you piano instead of keyboard....Thats why I tried to distinguised between keyboard and piano to you....They are not really the same thing in a technical term... so these words arent suppose to sue interchangeably but piano can do what a keyboard does and same goes to the keyboard.

my worst technique is playing stuff like Chopin Etude Op10-3 where it required 4th and 5th fingers of the right hand to play the melody but the 1st and 2nd of the same hand to play accompaniment...taht makes 1 hand to play 2 parts.... have to practice alot to control it....and it happened to quite some songs too.

This post has been edited by liez: Jan 16 2011, 11:33 PM

@christellia

true that

I see. I would put as much effort as possible if i am into it.
I think so far I could only raise a maximum budget of RM1.3k
If still it wasn't enough I think the alternative would be getting a second hand unit

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Added on January 16, 2011, 11:35 pmOkay~ thanks bro =)
I think I will check out yamaha soon!

btw, I downloaded some guide from Pianoforall.com
Donno if its useful or not.

Do you mind take a glance at it?

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Added on January 16, 2011, 11:42 pmDGX505 this Keyboard looks great.
When buying keyboard, must i get 88 keys? ( long term )

This post has been edited by Christopher7: Jan 16 2011, 11:42 PM

well...looks not bad at all.. you can try it...My first glance (at the books name ) is taht they gave you introduction to many types of genre a keyboardist should have. well... if RM120+ is not too expensive for you, maybe you can try them.

if you want to play sentimental songs, 88 keys is a must as it opened more options for you to swing/flash your improvisation.

DGX505 sounds not bad....


it says it was designed for piano levels. and it can change the sensitivity from light to heavy....its not too abd for a keyboard but Amazon is selling for about US$540 equivalent of our RM1620+ but overall i will say its not bad, quite good in fact. I opined based on how I look at the video demonstration, so it will be good if you can test out the keyboard yourself.

i actually spent about few hours "downloaded" it
Yeah... I think i might be getting it if i could get more $$ during CNY
or i will need to find a secondhand unit

thx!!

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Added on January 16, 2011, 11:57 pmThe " performance assist " =.="

This post has been edited by Christopher7: Jan 16 2011, 11:57 PM

well, good luck and hope you get a really good keyboard and have fun playing the keyboard, coz it really does

That is singing the top note Put more arm weight on the 4th and 5th fingers and curve more. 4th and 5th fingers are the weak fingers. That is why it is not easy. Maybe you can try these :

1.Get extension and lateral finger exercise to practice which involve legato inner note or outer note.
2.Play the piece with legato for your outer note but detached your inner note. Right hand part only. Listen to the outer note and sound them. Softer for inner note.

Thankss!! I hope to get one soon!
Having final exams but Keyboard distracted me~~

Thanks mate, I am still training my ring and pinky finger's strength because both the fingers are too reckless now. Thanks anyway.

Welcome and all the best to your final exam.

Anyone care to help me on this?

Pretty please?

I think it's better to contact the shop or direct contact casio. send back to them for service.

I'm afraid that would cost quite a hassle in term of time and money also.

If anyone of you hav experience this before, maybe you could provide me some help?

I believe you might be able to get some ideas by Googling
"Electronic keyboard humming sound"

Yea, that's very true.. a cheap keyboard is something like those toy you pull out from Toy 'R Us. get something decent if you insist on keyboard, i would say go for a 2nd hand piano around 8k to 12k. You wont regret getting a piano in the end. Cuz i've learnt piano before, and i can play keyboard, organ , piano or whatever with white keys and black keys on it... anywhere..


ps: Don't look or try on a Grand Piano.. is addictive.. =S

just helping you, I saw someone selling on the forum...maybe you can try to inquire/nego with him.

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1693522&hl=piano

2nd hand no need 8-12k lar. 12k u add 3 more k, u can buy 2nd hand baby grand already.

someone selling 5k+ in forum only
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1703525&hl=

another for 4.3k
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1354812&hl=

another for 3.8k
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1639448&hl=

another for 2.5k
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1323554&hl=

I wonder how much is the current market price
I think i will check out Yamaha tomorrow.

thx bro

This leads me to a site that tells that it may be with the problem with the capacitor.

Guess I really need to send to repair shop.

Hi guys....nice thread u guys having here....im 27 years old n never had any background in music lesson let it be instrument or notes...however im very passionate abt music n intend 2 learn keyboard soon.....im looking for a good tutor as well (preferably Indian since i would love to play indian songs)....i am looking at 2 models since im a beginner.....first one is Casio CTK 2100 and another keyboard is Yamaha PSRE223. both keyboards are priced at RM720. could u guys suggest me which of this will be very helpful for a beginner like me? appreciate for ur feedback...thank you

Hi guys

My humble suggestion would be to start your piano class first and check with them if you can drop by their center to practise before you decide to buy a keyboard or piano. The reason for this is that, you need to feel the touch of a real piano, listen to the sound to get an idea of how it sounds. For beginners with no musical background, it is not that crucial to have a keyboard/piano for the first month. Not because you do not need to practice but you need these exposures to help you find a decent keyboard/piano that you will be playing with for some time. If you invest in a crappy one, trust me, you will be dissapointed very2 soon and yet, forced to use it until you can afford something of better quality.

Just my 2 cents.

I originally budget was 300 for keyboard,
But as more opinion i got from the people
I realize that if really serious into it,
should get a better1.

I finally bought a Digital Piano costs RM3600 at 10% discount.

oh my God.... from RM300 to 700 to 1100 to 1800 and now 3600. Respect!

oh god... yammie again.... hehehehe... the market does not only have yammie...

hv fun shopping check this link.... ---> http://www.pianobuyer.com/fall10/46.html

use it as a guide... learn of some brands for own knowledge or anything.. hobby ka... for fun ka.. anything.... yes... surprise how many brands are there available in the market... if u have the pierce piano atlas u find over a million brandnames..... yes... many well-known brands from UK have all gone.... sad but true.... in the next few decades u see more factories closing one by one or if not shifting to the land of the dragon.... as the dragon is awake and it is just the beginning.... sad but true.... then again it is not a bad thing, the land of the dragon have proven themselves over the last decade.... an alternative to JUNK

u have a choice.... indeed... like buying a car or a house.. u have choice... listen to someone is good but do some shopping... it pays end of the day... at least u know u have finalized ur decision in buying this brand.. even if is a yammie end of day... at least u know why u made the decision in buying a particular brand... dont end up buying a piano and suddenly find another one that is much nicer and regret ......

ops i think i wrote too much... anyway i enjoy it and below list of piano brands that you be able to find in the malaysia... i distribute, import, export yes.. but i love to ask my customers or anyone to try out themselves.... every brands have their own tone character....

yamaha ->> www.yamaha.com.my
kawai, bluthner, haessler ->> use to be in ONe Utama but last heard they move to taman mayang.. behind St Ignatius Church.
wagner, hailun, petrof, weinbach, grotrian, schulze pollmann, bosendorfer, pearl river, ritmuller ->> www.wagnerpiano.com
samick, challen, barratt & robinson, grotrian, schimmel, c.steinbert ->> www.viennamusic.com.my
steinway, boston, essex, ritmuller ->> www.bentleymusic.om
young chang ->> www.ycmusic.com.my
perzina ->> heard there is a distributor but based in Johor (anybody?)
qrs music (auto player) ->> www.wagnerpiano.com
pianodisc (auto player) ->> www.viennamusic.com.my
disklavier (auto player) ->> www.yamaha.com.my



This post has been edited by jhp: Feb 19 2011, 10:52 AM

2nd hand piano .... if is in good condition... yes... then again how many good used condition pianos are there in the market? think about humidity.... they shorten the lifespan of the piano... 'technically known as compression set' plus other factors.....

how many ex-owner actually keep their pianos at RH of 50% constantly.... and if u r refering to reconditioned japanese piano? better think twice.. ops... triple times... for the age and for the money, you have plenty of choices today. they not gold.. they are rubbish wooden object discarded by japanese in favour for better instruments due to lack of performance or MUSICAL QUALITY....

grand piano... must look and try... it is just another piano that is differently designed... vertical versus horizontal.... full direct blow action versus gravity action... repetition, control and etc... get the feel of how both type of pianos react.... it doesnt matter if end of the day you ended up wif an upright... at least u gave urself a chance....

my advice... play more pianos.... and play more pianos... and play more pianos... and play more pianos... then... go from there... find the one you like... based on tone and touch... if you need time... go ahead.. u not going into a mini market buying sardins... u buying an instrument, if u find one that is right, WILL GIVE plenty of joy for the many years to come... IF u find a lemon, u will be every minute...

hv fun....

This post has been edited by jhp: Feb 19 2011, 10:39 AM

lol.. I sacrificed my macbook pro

i got my electronic keyboard ,casio CTK 496 for rm200++ 1 year ago..new one but display unit..its 61 keys though

can someone recommend me a good shop to purchase keybord ?? for young beginner to learn.. i duno where to buy... thanks..
cheap one will do thanks

How do u buy a display unit? IS it cos no more stock or u ask the shop if can get cheaper if buy the display unit?

If like dat i oso 1 buy display unit la since i dun think will have problem if tested at the shop