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post Jan 12 2011, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jan 12 2011, 12:25 PM)
Congratulate smile.gif This is one of my target LCD also during check-up, due to no stock, only left display set, finally I choose Samsung LA40C530 as I find it more nice color for me and support variety media format include .MKV (I don't own any standalone Media Player at the moment) ... I get quota both at RM 1800, hehe...
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thank you andrewst for all the answers. You are an expert in LCD TV. Let me digest the stuff you wrote and if I don't understand, will post something. BTw, which shop is selling samsung LA40C530 at rm1800. I went a few shops in penang and quoted this price and many shop could not match this price . The best price was rm2300.

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QUOTE(razor75 @ Jan 12 2011, 03:39 PM)
thank you andrewst for all the answers. You are an expert in LCD TV. Let me digest the stuff you wrote and if I don't understand, will post something. BTw, which shop is selling samsung LA40C530 at rm1800. I went a few shops in  penang and quoted this price and many shop could not match this price . The best price was rm2300. 

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You are welcome, smile.gif I am not expert, I also learning smile.gif
I buy at Segamat, Johor. I notice quite few post such price, even as low as RM 1.7k in KL at C530 thread. I not sure how the price at Penang.
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post Jan 12 2011, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jan 12 2011, 03:45 PM)
You are welcome, smile.gif I am not expert, I also learning smile.gif
I buy at Segamat, Johor. I notice quite few post such price, even as low as RM 1.7k in KL at C530 thread. I not sure how the price at Penang.
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why u guys still getiing the ldc tv compared to led?
need opinion urgently

i am thinkiong of sharp quotrron led.. worth buying?

for viewing distance of 8 ft -10 ft, wat size is best? 46" or 52'?
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QUOTE(Robin Liew @ Jan 12 2011, 04:39 PM)
why u guys still getiing the ldc tv compared to led?
need opinion urgently

i am thinkiong of sharp quotrron led.. worth buying?

for viewing distance of 8 ft -10 ft, wat size is best? 46" or 52'?
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Because budget not allowed biggrin.gif

Get the biggest you can afford thumbup.gif Don't forget to check it it's fit in your TV cabinet, but not the case if you'll wall mount it.
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post Jan 12 2011, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(Robin Liew @ Jan 12 2011, 04:39 PM)
why u guys still getiing the ldc tv compared to led?
need opinion urgently

i am thinkiong of sharp quotrron led.. worth buying?

for viewing distance of 8 ft -10 ft, wat size is best? 46" or 52'?
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Because LCD is cheap now... LED still slightly pricey and it is not a must + you buy how expensive also same life spending time, you just get slightly better image but that amount is enough for you to get 2 units of LCD TV. You may seen certain shop LCD display is really bad compare with LED, actually it is not, it just a gimmick done. LCD now is similar quality with LED as same panel still in use just the backlight is different. They is no pure LED TV Panel yet, only backlight at the moment.

In my opinion, LED only slightly better on
  • Better Black (Pure Black, similar with Plasma) - I am ok with this since I watch movie in bright room..so I see the black still pure black.
  • More Vivid Color - LCD is vivid enough, sometimes LED backlight is over vivid.
  • More Power Energy - this the only good point.
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For 8ft distance, I think 46 inch is far than enough, at least it still reasonable price, the 52 inch only extra 6 inch but it cost you extra RM 4.5k which not worth for me.

This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Jan 12 2011, 05:46 PM
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post Jan 12 2011, 06:08 PM

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52" sharp quotron led can get at rm8k

46" sharp aquos lcd can get at rm4099

46" led sharp quotron can get at rm5799

46" led and lcd diff is rm1700

s which to get

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post Jan 12 2011, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jan 12 2011, 05:14 PM)

In my opinion, LED only slightly better on


  • Better Black (Pure Black, similar with Plasma) - I am ok with this since I watch movie in bright room..so I see the black still pure black.

  • More Vivid Color - LCD is vivid enough, sometimes LED backlight is over vivid.

  • More Power Energy - this the only good point.

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For 8ft distance, I think 46 inch is far than enough, at least it still reasonable price, the 52 inch only extra 6 inch but it cost you extra RM 4.5k which not worth for me.
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i only recently realise one of the most important ingredient of a good picture is the color black. And the best black is usually plasma with LED approaching or as good but at much higher price. But plasma also have cons.

As for color, some like vivid color and some like natural color instead.

For 46", I reckon not more 8/9-ft.



This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Jan 13 2011, 12:17 AM
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QUOTE(Robin Liew @ Jan 12 2011, 06:08 PM)
52" sharp quotron led  can get at rm8k

46" sharp aquos lcd can get at rm4099

46" led sharp quotron can get at rm5799

46" led and lcd diff is rm1700

s which to get

advise dvise
pls
opinion
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why only sharp brand ? sweat.gif
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post Jan 13 2011, 01:24 AM

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QUOTE(Robin Liew @ Jan 12 2011, 06:08 PM)
52" sharp quotron led  can get at rm8k

46" sharp aquos lcd can get at rm4099

46" led sharp quotron can get at rm5799

46" led and lcd diff is rm1700

s which to get

advise dvise
pls
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LC40LE820M is RM3599..

add 6 inch diagonally in size, you add up RM2200...wowww weeeee..
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post Jan 13 2011, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jan 12 2011, 07:13 PM)
i only recently realise one of the most important ingredient of a good picture is the color black. And the best black is usually plasma with LED approaching or as good but at much higher price. But plasma also have cons.

As for color, some like vivid color and some like natural color instead.

For 46", I reckon not more 8/9-ft.
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Hi , just wnt to understand why is black the most important ingredient of a good picture ?
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QUOTE(Robin Liew @ Jan 12 2011, 06:08 PM)
52" sharp quotron led  can get at rm8k
46" sharp aquos lcd can get at rm4099
46" led sharp quotron can get at rm5799
46" led and lcd diff is rm1700
s which to get
advise dvise
pls
opinion
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how about Panny plasma P50V20K - RM5.4k brows.gif
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post Jan 13 2011, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(71ers @ Jan 13 2011, 11:38 AM)
Hi , just wnt to understand why is black the most important ingredient of a good picture ?
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Black is important but not extremely must be pure black.

If your living room is bright, you watch TV with light on, Latest LCD is far enough black already. Not necessary a Plasma or LED for pure black solution.

If you watch TV with light off, then you will seen the screen became slightly grey in dark scenes for LCD.

Which means if you prefer watching TV with no light, the best suite still plasma, LED wise might over bright for you and hurting your eyes.

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post Jan 13 2011, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(71ers @ Jan 13 2011, 11:38 AM)
Hi , just wnt to understand why is black the most important ingredient of a good picture ?
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I have seen these scenario often and never understood why the picture on LCD is lousy. Now I think it's due to to the color 'black'. Correct me if I am wrong.

Imagine a picture with a gentlemen with a DARK suit. And he is standing in front of a VERY DARK table. In other word, while both are DARK, the table is DARKER than the suit. In real life, our human eyes can tell the different between the two darkness but not LCD. This is because while LCD's dark can reach the "DARK" level of the suit, it can not reach the "VERY DARK" level of the table. So when I looked at the picture, the gentleman and the table look like 'joined' together. Now where got gentlemen wearing a table?

Now imagine looking at a picture of a woman with dark hair standing in front of a darker background. LCD have a hard time showing the different level of dark so now you have the woman's hair "joined" to the background. Funny if you ask me.

And mind you, I saw that in lighted showroom. But nowadays, some LCD are starting to have better dark but from what I read, never to the level of Plasma. LED dark can be as good but never better than Plasma. May be even but at far higher price.







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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jan 13 2011, 06:00 PM)
I have seen these scenario often and never understood why the picture on LCD is lousy. Now I think it's due to to the color 'black'. Correct me if I am wrong.

Imagine a picture with a gentlemen with a DARK suit. And he is standing in front of a VERY DARK table. In other word, while both are DARK, the table is DARKER than the suit. In real life, our human eyes can tell the different between the two darkness but not LCD. This is because while LCD's dark can reach the "DARK" level of the suit, it can not reach the "VERY DARK" level of the table. So when I looked at the picture, the gentleman and the table look like 'joined' together. Now where got gentlemen wearing a table?

Now imagine looking at a picture of a woman with dark hair standing in front of a darker background. LCD have a hard time showing the different level of dark so now you have the woman's hair "joined" to the background. Funny if you ask me.

And mind you, I saw that in lighted showroom. But nowadays, some LCD are starting to have better dark but from what I read, never to the level of Plasma. LED dark can be as good but never better than Plasma. May be even but at far higher price.
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Above situation I agree on old LCD, new LCD is ok and you won't get such bad look on above situation, it is not as dark as Plasma (none can fight Plasma pure black yet even LED).

But I can't stand on Plasma, the way it draw the picture is which I can't accept. I know Plasma is perfect in Black & Motion, but the way Plasma generate out the picture is the part I cannot accept it. Last time I thought I am weird, then after discussion with people I know, I just knew I am not the only one cannot accept how Plasma draw a picture.

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post Jan 13 2011, 08:26 PM

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I only know how to look at picture but not how they are being generate. So curious as to how does Plasma generate picture that's different from LCD?
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jan 13 2011, 08:26 PM)
I only know how to look at picture but not how they are being generate. So curious as to how does Plasma generate picture that's different from LCD?
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I not sure how to describe, what I mean is the way Plasma display the image is not my type like, I feel it just a HD quality CRT type TV when I look at Plasma. They are scan line by line (looks like).
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post Jan 13 2011, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jan 13 2011, 08:48 PM)
I not sure how to describe, what I mean is the way Plasma display the image is not my type like, I feel it just a HD quality CRT type TV when I look at Plasma. They are scan line by line (looks like).
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When I was comparing the HD Ready P50X and the Full HD P50U, I notice if standing only 3 or 4-ft away, I can see the line by line like you mentioned on the P50X. But not the Full HD P50U.

Of course if you sit further away from the P50X, you wouldn't notice the line.

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jan 13 2011, 10:55 PM)
When I was comparing the HD Ready P50X and the Full HD P50U, I notice if standing only 3 or 4-ft away, I can see the line by line like you mentioned on the P50X. But not the Full HD P50U.

Of course if you sit further away from the P50X, you wouldn't notice the line.
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Then I shall go check latest high end series plasma.
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I learn a lot from these explanations but to a laymen person who doesn't notice things like this, i will have to start looking into details the next time i watch a movie.
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QUOTE(71ers @ Jan 14 2011, 11:12 AM)
I learn a lot from these explanations but to a laymen person who doesn't notice things like this, i will have to start looking into details the next time i watch a movie.
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To me, another vitally important thing to realize is "ambient light". It's simply the surrounding light that you will be using your TV in.

In a brightly lighted retail showroom or house room with lots of sunlight coming in, LCD/LED might be a better choice because they are simply brighter thus better able to compete with the surrounding lights than Plasma. Also, their screen typically have less reflection. On a flip side, they can be too bright and some people would even called it harsh and unbearable to watch especially in dimmer room. Thus in dimmer lighted room, Plasma might be a better choice and far cheaper than LED.







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