Playing against CPU is different than playing against human. Playing 6* against CPU is different than playing 3* against CPU. Its not so much the difficulty tahts changed but the reaction/speed that becomes unbalanced a bit.

And playing 6* against CPU doesnt' mean you'll beat a human player (even a newbie). To play 6* against a CPU, you need to play a certain style to win.

Play against human, he'll learn fast. You both can have so much fun.

Yeah you're right, abot the strategy. I forgot to mention that your stamina 'turun' like hell.

Refrees are a bit biased to the CPU. AI can get away with murder, while you'll be blown for the slightest mistime tackle. I've got a small trick that works sometimes. When you know you, going to get tackled, turn away, or back. Ref wil call foul. Using the R2 dragback also easy way to 'bait' the CPU to foul you.

Use it sometime, but if you overuse it, it takes the fun out of the game. If there's no risk, no gains. Sometime you benefit by being more direct. Yeah, you may get fouled, but if you lucky you may skip the tackle and be thru on goal.

I you play with people like me and my friends we don't press so much. We let each other play a lot, just closing the passing options down. It's more like "I know what you're trying to do, I know you think you know what I'll do, go ahead and try it, I've got you covered , lets see who surprises who then..ha.ha".

Our games usually 50% 0-0 or 1-1 draws. We usually play on 5* so our AI teamates are very good. It really take something special to score.

Once it gets boring, we usually team up 4 a side and play a cup or something.


Cheers.

Yup... u r rite. Even if u managed to play against 6 stars CPU, it doesn't mean u can beat a newbie human player in reality. After spending sometime playing with the CPU, u will get to their style of playing . Especially everytime down the flank, I just know what the CPU will do next . Playing against human create much more fun as the moves much more unpredictable

But there's always one type of lame stupid foul in the game.. when someone drop down and then while he's waking up, somebody walking around bang him.. Piii~!!! It's a foul

Too bad I didnt have any frenz have da same interest like me in the WE/PES game..

This post has been edited by vearn27: Oct 20 2005, 04:18 PM

Ha,ha.. Also when playing against human, you can gloat and show off a bit. When playing CPU, no body bothers. Also very ewasy to wind up human opponent, make them so 'gerammm'

Same problem here mate, no friends to sparr with. Have to wait 'balik kampung' only then can get proper challenge. Too bad I'll just be missing the tournament in KL by a few days.

Cheerio.

Haha.. u r absolutely right about it.. Showing off skills in front of the goal post when against GK.. doing Zidane's 360 Roulette, Ronaldo's steps over or Ronaldinho's flip-flap before scoring the goal.. seem like pointless as a single shot will shorten the 'delay' of the technique.. wahaha .. The CPU will feel 'nothing' being scored goal in that marvelous way.. unless the human feel satisfied.. but no one gonna compliment on it

sifus of WE(jiwa, vearn27)

care to explain whats the difference between line defence, sweeper(this one i tau), and another wan(which i cant remember the name?)

thanks...

*baru finish my season 1(division1), 2nd place , behind chelsea. Won the Div1 cup though

At last.. I changed my formation and also strategy.. now it become:

-------------------------------------------- Ronaldo (CF)------------------------
---------------------------- Raul (CF) --------------------------------------------
----- Kaka (ST)- -----------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------ Beckham (RMF) -----
------------------------------------- S. Gerrard (CMF) --------------------------
------------------- Park Ji Sung (CMF) ------------------------------------------
----- Ashley Cole (LSB) ------------------------------------ Chivu (RSB) -----
-------------------- S. Ramos (CB) ----- J. Woodgate (CB) ------------------
--------------------------------- Cassilas (GK) ----------------------------------

In my previous formation, the 'LMF' position seem handicapped in it .. lacking of contribution and thus wasted a player on the field as the gameplay mostly in the centre or the right side.. In the UEFA qualifying round, I'm losing 1-0 to AS Monaco in the 1st half with the previous formation, changed to this formation then as it already been in my mind for quite sometime. Gamble thru as I rested Gerrard on the bench coz he's fatigued. Then with magnificent new effective role of Kaka, he scored and the whole team charged forward. Ended up with 3-1 win and then I switched to this formation since that match *actually it's on trial *

Already set Ronaldo as the 1st lineup rather than Cisse, and then let Park Ji Sung taken Gravesen position as well .. somehow he's more effective now than declining Gravesen.. at last.. I found my choice for his replacement . The gameplay more effective now as more shots and possesion held, rather than depending of Gerrard as the key player to initiate an attack, Kaka the 'Second Top' yet another option thus most attacking direction and various option available .. Robinho now taken off from the 'sales' list for upcoming negotiation period as he's capable of playing well in that ST position too.. thus making him a subs for Kaka

guys
during the Master League mode,i create one formation that i love the most
so i save it under formation setting>stock>save

then i wanna use the formation back in Match Mode
but when i load the formation,nothing changes

can u guys tell me the proper way to save n loads formation ?

thanx in advance

this game is much slower comparitively to winning 8. why ahhhh? i am havin a lot of problem controlling the ball. i am very use to movin my players using the arrow buttons but i cant seem to get myself use to the analog button to control movement. but now, once i play WE9 using the arrow buttons, it seems hard to control the players. pls advise.

i already got an answer for this prob
got it from pesinsight.com forum

a user with nick madmax25 post this



yeappiee !!

Hi guys. Just dropping by. Been away from this forum for a while. Good to know all u WE9 kakis are still out there alive and kicking.

Special HI to vearn. Peace!

Hi there terranova, it been a while since u last posted here. Busy with work? Me now having holidays back in my hometown... just went to Low Yat and bought PS2 Controller to USB Adapter and PES5 for PC... gotta try out PC version once a while on PS2 Controller

Cheers~!

OMG!!! Didn't know theres so much WE9 kakis in LYN.Believe it or not, i just read the whole thread from page 1 to 12(currentpage). So many questions,so many experiences to share.....
I'm not a crazy fan of WE last time, I used to play it for a couple of weeks then I'll move on to another game. I've never took this game seriously,imagine playing an entire season without changing players lol.....but now I dunno why i'm hooked to WE9!!!!this happens when i decided to stop playing Resident evil 4 for awhile and now for the whole week I've been playing this game whenever I got the chance, up to 4 sumthing in the morning.sorry,i cut my crap now hehe

OK,from what i've read, most of you here plays 5* difficulty and above.....how u guys manage to win matches?????how often do u guys practise/play the game???
Well, now i've just completed my 1st season in ML using arsenal with those ciplak ML players such as Castoro,Miranda etc with 3* difficulty but i find it hard just to win a game...why???maybe i'm not pro yet or issit because of my weak players??

Now, during off-season, i purchased some youngsters with ok-ok stats and I notice I've improved my game alot but still I have problems scoring with header from crosses, its either my forwards don't get them or they'll knock it too high over the goal post but I only use A LITTLE power. Can someone tell me why?Issit because of the player's stats ?is there any controls to make the header go downwards?

What does R1 do???

Yo ~ yo ~ yo... welcome jonjon87 to da club~!

This thread been dying... although I started to compose my new ML's story planning to revive it another while... however, u r faster than me thou

Hehe... it sound like we're the 'same'.. coz last time also I used to buy a lot of other games and frankly, I only finished a few games... and not even 5% of my collection *not less and not much I got 3 dvd folders full of games *... I then stopped my 'buying' on other games after I started with Winning Eleven 6 and Pro Evolution Soccer 3... then from there I proceed to 'love the game' and rarely see myself buy other game than Winning Eleven or Pro Evolution Soccer series *helped me to save a lot also *

At first I started with 2* difficulty as I even failed to hold possesion of the ball when I'm playing 3*, not to mention to score with it ... After finished one or two seasons with 2*, I'm getting 'used' to the game and moved to 3* then... after another few seasons I constantly leading in the league table with ridiculous scoring and pulling myself very far from the 2nd spot , I wanted to try 4*... but I failed to win most of the time... so I gave up and stay on 3*. However one day, 'something' happened (if u really read back u should know ) and I'm so badly wanted to improve myself better

So.. I make a big leap to 5* then (that time haven't got 6*).. and playing the game every 2 hours a day at nite before sleep. At that time also I beginning to think of 'strategy' and 'formation' that would work 'better' with my line-up.. so after quite a while playing with the game.. I already used to 'hardest' difficulty level . I'm playing 6* now unless when new installation appeared, I'll play at 3* difficulty for one season to 'learn' and make myself 'used' to the new controls and then goto 6* after that

Players's ability and stats are really important, but the 'compatibility' between the players and URSELF will be more vital. Why? Bcoz u control them lor ... It doesn't mean u sure win when u got ALL STARS in ur team... It's just whether u matched 'them' or not... that's why I feel as different ppl using different gameplay style ... Also another thing, don't look down on those players with low stats... they might perform very well in the game instead

As for crosses and headers... u really need to learn the 'timing' to hit the square when the ball going to reach the players. Also the 'height' and 'heading' stats does take into account as well. Actually a lot summore such as the 'teamwork' between the crosser and the header for more accurate passing, the 'strength' of da player in struggling between few players... hehe

This post has been edited by vearn27: Nov 14 2005, 09:33 AM

Crossing has its techniques as well, such as tappping CIRCLE once, twice or thrice will determine ball path, directing the ball into the box with manual stick, timing of the shot or header (like Vearn mentioned), timing of the cross (i.e. wait a bit for strikers to move into box if your winger like Giggs/Ronaldo runs faster than the rest!), pulling headers back just before SQUARE.

Read manual from earlier post (if still available for download). If not, just let me know and I'll upload again.


This post has been edited by terranova: Nov 14 2005, 10:16 AM

It been a while since I last update my ML's story here... perhaps jiwa busying himself with PES5 ... I had that game too, but my love with WE just much better than it

My 3rd season with Real Madrid ended with 2 trophys and ranked 5th in the league. Although we had struggled thru to won the Div. 1 Cup and Champions League in a 'thin' margin, yet we still doing badly in da league. However, it's one happy thing to see Gerrard voted as the OVERALL BEST PLAYER of FIFA and Raul voted as the TOP SCORER & OVERALL BEST PLAYER in Div. 1 Cup . Anyway, during the off-season... I had 'used' up all the credits I had gained to gamble for league trophy next season *sound like Abramovich? but he had 'unlimited' *

A big changes been made to the lineup. Raul, Kaka and L. Gonzales (acquired earlier by other club trading over) been traded for Thierry Henry, Reyes and V. Persie from Arsenal. I had been looking around for 2nd and 'support' forward that could score and pass to my striker for the finishing. Raul seem to be capable of it, however his slow pace doesn't help much . Kaka been dropped from first selection after Robben came from Chelsea. Robben been showing spectacular performance on the left as 'Second Top' [ST]. Kaka been degrading and that's the reason he been dropped and showed the exit door. Looking for some other choices for [ST], then V. Persie name came into my mind for my 'unused' L. Gonzales

In the other way, Eto been acquired by trading Owen with them, Barcelona. He's good, but not stable. Been up and down with his form. He got some good real dribbling skills, but I'm looking forward for more goals contribution from him. That's why he been traded for Eto.

Here goes my new lineup with the same previous formation except being edited the positions a little bit:


------------------------------------------------- Ronaldo (CF)-------------------
------------------------------ T. Henry (CF) -------------------------------------
----- A. Robben (ST)- -----------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------ C. Ronaldo (RMF) ---
------------------------------------- S. Gerrard (CMF) --------------------------
------------------- Park Ji Sung (CMF) ------------------------------------------
----- Ashley Cole (LSB) ------------------------------------ Chivu (RSB) -----
-------------------- S. Ramos (CB) ----- J. Woodgate (CB) ------------------
--------------------------------- Cassilas (GK) ----------------------------------


Most played substitutes:

Samuel Eto [CF]
Dijbril Cisse [CF]
Reyes [ST]
V. Persie [ST]
Beckham [SMF]
Frabegas [CMF/SMF]
Gravesen [CMF]
Helguera [CMF/CB]
M. Saldago [SB]
Raul Bravo [CB/SB]
Kompany [CB/SB]
Marshall [GK]

Showing to the exit door:
Baptista [ST/CMF]
Fellipe [SB]
C. ?????? [GK]

Rotation been playing around for the forwards as many matches now; League Matches, Div. Cup Matches and Champions League Playoff. First choice for left [CF] definitely will be Henry as he's the one who can score and pass. As the right [CF], Ronaldo the most favoured. However, Eto and Dijbril Cisse being switched around with them as I'm looking for best pair to start with. Arjen Robben, the ex-Chelski performing extremely brilliant on the [ST] position replacing Kaka. Much more contributing in the attacks and even scored up a few for his own sheet.

C. Ronaldo on the right side showing better run-up than Beckham. Penetrating the upper right flank and messing around the defense with his good dribbling and passing skills. S. Gerrard, no need to explain further. He's the key player of the team playing an important role in the middle in both attacking and defending. With his excellent long range powerful shooting, the opponents really need to stay alert with him whenever there's space within his shooting range. Park Ji Sung, playing in the position where more defensive playing as he's placed lower. Not as 'solid' and 'strong' as Gravesen, but he's really flexible and fast. Having only Gravesen's solid defending and midfield control, Park is more effective showing up skills in a lot of area. Frabegas, the first choice substitute for [CMF], he's just like another Park.

In defensive playing, Ashley Cole and Chivu doing great down the flanks, although Chivu left-footed playing on the right. The pair of rotation between Sergio Ramos, J. Woodgate and Kompany handling their field of coverage very well and often all of them caught the opponents with off-side trap. Cassilas, the main GK of Real Madrid didn't disappoint any of his teammates and making critical saves most of the time. Marshall just following from his behind.

This post has been edited by vearn27: Nov 14 2005, 04:14 PM

Back from the holiday break then back to attend some courses. Only got into the office today. Reading thru all the posts so far. MAybe chip in some replies in a few days time. good to be back. Had a great time back in hometown with 3-4 days of heavy all-nighter 3v3 multiplayer. Seen some goals that I'd never been able to pull off in single palyer mode.

Cheers

Welcome back jiwa, it's great to see u again. Least I'm not that bored here

thanks....helped me alot heheheheehe....I'll try to get myself comfortable to the 3* for now(very different from WE8),will practise more hahaha. Is there any winning eleven competition or a place where u can challenge people??I wanna see pros play ler, I don't have friends that play winning eleven .Need to 'open' my eyes by seeing other people play hehe.

I got a problem here....if i'm not mistaken tapping O twice will cause the player to cross to the near post right????but everytime i press twice i goes all the way to the far post and sometimes out of the penalty box....wonder why???

Another thing is what do u mean by 'PULLING HEADERS BACK...'

Oh yeah, for freekicks, u guys use Square or circle?

Can upload the manual again??thanks!

This post has been edited by jonjon87: Nov 14 2005, 04:34 PM

Hm... what did u set for ur long pass option? Normally I'll select the 'option 4' (if I'm not mistaken ) where long pass is normal and crossing into the box carried out by 'L1 + O' buttons. So everytime I'll hit the 'L1' together along whenever I wanna pass into the box .. else it depends on setting, some options only 'auto' crossing into the box when player is down to the opponent's flank.. otherwise it may 'perform' normal pass

'PULLING HEADERS BACK' -- I guess terranova mean controlling the target player where he'll head the ball after a cross or corner kick been executed. By controlling and move him to a better position, higher chances of the shot will aim for goal and also more powerful

Well, I helped him to upload for ya~!


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4th season updates with Real Madrid

With the new players, new lineup, new formation and new strategy... Real Madrid is hoping to clinch the league title this season after doing a major players swapping last season despite finished 5th rank in last season.

10 matches had been played and for the very first time Real Madrid is leading in the league with 9 wins and 1 draw. Chelsea following behind by 1 point after defeated by Real Madrid in their 9th match. Thierry Henry proved the qualities in him for scoring the only goal in the match. Samuel Eto did showed spectacular performance as well after the trade with Owen from Barcelona. Michael Owen now doing really good in Barcelona and leading the top scorers list in the league with 7 goals.

Robben and Reyes didnt disappoint playing in the Second Top [ST] position. Both players marked with fast pace and easily helping in penetrating the defense and dangerous passes into the box. Van Persie in the other way, haven't shown his quality playing as [ST] but he did some remarkable performance and scored 1 goal when he's starting 2 matches as forward [CF] because 3 of Real's 4 forwards had been summoned for national duty and they're real fatigue once they're back to the squad. Perhaps Van Persie is more suitable playing as [CF] rather than [ST]. Most probably one of them will be leaving the squad for better chances to play as regular in some other team.

In the Champions League, Real successfullly won 5 and draw once in the playoff fixtures and now playing in the first round