This post has been edited by insane.kill: Dec 21 2010, 08:27 AM

Selalu menyalahkan Indonesia karena melakukan naturalisasi, tetapi Malaysia melakukannya jauh lebih dahulu sebelum Indonesia, kenapa sekarang Malaysia meributkan naturalisasi Indonesia???
Apa karena kalah 5-1 lalu mencari kesalahan bangsa lain, respect....la

Mahadevan Sathasivam --> first naturalization athlete in SEA, Cricket Captain of Malaysia, before hijack from Srilanka
link --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahadevan_Sathasivam

we talk about FOOTBALL, not cricket. Malaysian rugby team also have naturalized players from Fiji iinm

I remember that Germany have 7 citizenship on their main team.

On offense to any Indonesian friends here, RM400~RM550 is dirt cheap plus accommodation to watch the final in Jakarta but I value my life, I'm scared if their fans welcome us with sharpen bamboo once we arrive at the airport

Head-to-head record (1999-2010)

Matches played: 9
Wins: Malaysia 1:4 Indonesia
Draws: 4

Head-to-head record (since 1957)


This post has been edited by AKace: Dec 21 2010, 12:11 PM

let me enlighten you

Miroslave Klose stayed in Germany since he was 7 years old

Marko Marin was only two years old when his family moved to Germany in 1991

In 1987, when Łukasz Podolski was two years old, his family emigrated from Poland to West Germany

Piotr Trochowski was born in Tczew, Pomeranian Voivodeship in Poland. The family, with father Wiesław and mother Alicja, left for Hamburg under the right of return for those of ethnic German ancestry when Piotr was five years old

Mario Gomez, Dennis Aogo, Jerome Boateng, Serdir Tasci, Sami Khedira, Mesut Ozil was born and grown up in Germany

Cacau lived in Germany for 8 years (Cristian Gonzales faced the same condition. lived in Indonesia for 7 years and applied for Indonesian citizenship)

several days ago indon fans crash the PSSI (like FAM) office..

many suporters didnt get the ticket



before that match,, malaysia able to won 2-1 in GBK

i mean Malaysia won 1 match while Indonesia won 4 matches out of 9 encounters since 1999

This post has been edited by AKace: Dec 21 2010, 12:19 PM

lets the best team wins..
i'll sure watch this first leg final in bukit jalil

-garuda didadaku-

dapat tiket dari mana bro?

berapa harganya?

wanna one oso..

+1.

ozil, khedira and boateng all has german parents.

i think people tak faham what means by 'naturalisasi'.

i havent got the ticket yet.. i'll ask my friend to Q in bukit jalil on friday
marilah indonesian and malaysian watch together.. we all loves football wat..
its all about the game

anyone know where to buy the tickets?

if they still don't trust me, they can try wiki all those german players

wiki :naturalization is the acquisition of citizenship and nationality by somebody who was not a citizen or national of that country when he or she was born.
In general, basic requirements for naturalization are that the applicant hold a legal status as a full-time resident for a minimum period of time and that the applicant promise to obey and uphold that country's laws, to which an oath or pledge of allegiance is sometimes added. Some countries also require that a naturalized national must renounce any other citizenship that they currently hold, forbidding dual citizenship, but whether this renunciation actually causes loss of the person's original citizenship will again depend on the laws of the countries involved.

yes. christian gonzales is a naturalization player. no doubt about it. he born in uruguay and married with Indonesian girl then live for 7 year in indonesia. why he just do naturalization now? because he must live more than 5 year according to indonesian law. one of another requirement to be indonesian is that the person must have a family member or blood line. just like irvan. and also gonzales.
its not true that indonesia pushing team skill by just adding new naturalization player suddenly for aff. gonzales have been apply for this membership since 10 years a go and he following all the requirement.

indonesian team has been runner up since 1999, and in 10 year never have any naturalization player. so its kinda new and attract people attention.
IMHO you must see that after loosing 1-7 to uruguay all indonesian half-blood player in seri a italia dutch liga australia liga etc rushing back to indonesia. so its a advantage and i hope we be mature to see it. i mean we respect malaysian team dont want to use naturalization but i hope the same respect come from them to our choice using naturalization.

i mean its like a eating burger. some people like to use chili some like to use tomato ketchup. some just like to eat it without any.
of course the people eat that burger have their own reason why use or why not right? instead blaming, cursing, that other burger taste great, why not enjoying your own choice and

This post has been edited by upilkenyal: Dec 21 2010, 04:42 PM

Hi All

Im from Batam Indonesia.
I want watch this match at Bukit Jalil ?
Who can help me. When I can get the ticket ?
I don't care about this forum. Many people only heckler.
But I have many friend from JB and I ever stay in KL also JB really nice.
All Malaysia people and nasi lemak and nasi kandar.
Please just enjoy watch this game.

Does it even matter? In the end what matter is that the player gives 100% to the country that he plays. In some cases, some of these "naturalised" players are more loyal to the country.

second that.... sometime, when we gave then then the nationality, they will appreciate it more, as compare to local born who will take it for granted..

indonesia 4 times went to final. they always using their nation player..

only this time they include 2 import players.

even without gonzales/irfan they're still have good team..

like boaz and yongky

boaz not played this time because of his undiciplined manner with riedl. if not, perhaps he will play as right winger or striker

This post has been edited by lezciel: Dec 21 2010, 04:54 PM