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 Official Windows Phone 7 Discussion Thread!, WP7 market share from 2% to 10% now !!

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post Mar 13 2011, 09:14 PM

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I used to say that Samsung had the best hardware among the WP7 phones, not so sure after the recent update fiasco. I'd say wait till they sort out the update problems before considering a Samsung.
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post Mar 16 2011, 12:01 PM

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The games are running on XNA, not Silverlight.
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post Mar 16 2011, 04:09 PM

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Ok.. decided on the first game will actually be a game for my son to play.. So it's actually non of the above concepts, stay tuned!
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post Mar 18 2011, 12:53 AM

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And.. another step closer to getting something in the marketplace. Phone is now unlocked for dev mode.

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post Mar 20 2011, 10:04 AM

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So there I was trying out a simple concept of a math game with my son.



But I realized that in the end I dont have enough design skills to come up with something that looks attractive.

So I went back to testing the shooter concept for performance testing.




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post Mar 20 2011, 12:19 PM

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Just fps lor, since that's the most important factor that ppl will feel.
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post Mar 21 2011, 01:07 AM

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Hmmm.. I dont think Malaysian Dreamspark accounts will work. But hey.. go for it!
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post Mar 21 2011, 09:02 AM

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From what the instructions say, just submitting an app through the portal will get u the cert. Then you can unlock.
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post Mar 21 2011, 11:29 AM

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Errr.. MMS uses data connection to send and receive.
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post Mar 21 2011, 11:59 AM

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I think everyone has some sort of data plan one. Cause telcos want to enable ppl to make use of MMS.

If you don't want it to sync your contact data and stuff, go to Settings->Email & Accounts, set the grab content Every X option to manually.

There are a few more things that talk about auto sending data when connected in settings, just look through the options and turn them off.

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post Mar 21 2011, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(lenzmark @ Mar 21 2011, 12:46 PM)
is it possible to transfer powerpoint slide to hd7? and where is the download file when downloding in hd7?
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Take a look here.
http://www.marauderzstuff.com/PermaLink,gu...2048354b0b.aspx
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post Mar 21 2011, 07:54 PM

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Hmmmm... People should be linked to the mail accounts, so it should be ok if everything is manual
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post Mar 22 2011, 02:14 AM

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Hmm.. You are right.. Ok... Unlink Facebook n use only the app to access I guess.
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post Mar 24 2011, 10:50 AM

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Ok.. before anyone asks "Dude, where's my update?"
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-u...dule-world.aspx


Added on March 24, 2011, 10:58 amOh, AFAIK the phones in Malaysia falls under "Open Market Phones".

You can find your carrier by checking Setting -> Systems -> About.

If you're carrier tagged you'll see a "Carrier : XXXXX" listed. or it might say "Carrier : OPEN" if it's an open market phone.

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QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Mar 24 2011, 11:48 AM)
About the only hardware Microsoft can update simultaneously at one go, is the Xbox 360. Do you know why?
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Actually the 360's are not all upgraded at the same time, It is still staggered, but over the span of a few hours.
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post Mar 25 2011, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(Andrew Lim @ Mar 24 2011, 06:54 PM)
Why doesn't the desktop version of Microsoft Windows have this problem with Windows Update? There are even more manufacturers of PCs and laptops, but when Microsoft issues a security update, everybody gets it almost together. No such thing as staggered updates based on manufacturer.
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Please don't compare a platform with virtually limitless resources (PC) to a platform with constrained resources (Phone)

Architecturally they are designed differently, with full Windows they can abstract the interfaces to the hardware because they have the resources to do so.

On the phone they have to weigh how to do such abstraction because every additional instruction is extra battery power consumed, so less abstraction means more specific code to be written for each hardware platform.

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Nope. Still don't get it. The smartphone manufacturers and Microsoft are in total control of the eco-system. Probably even more than their PC counterparts. Since these phones were supposedly designed for Windows Phone 7 in mind, there is little excuse that they can't give timely updates.


Unfortunately that is how we think over here on this side of the ocean. You see, over here we buy the phone raw. Our phones aren't telco branded, locked, etc. etc. That's why we are used to buying expensive phones and changing them whenever we want.

The US model is different, the phone companies dont sell the phones directly to the user. The companies sell the phone to the telco, the telco decides what to put on the phone (apps, images) what features that gets taken in or removed (ie. remove any built in VOIP features, disable features when not on WiFi) this is Telco customization.

Whenever an update is delivered for the OS, the OEM will first test it to make sure it works on their hardware then the telcos have to test and ensure that it can work with all it's apps, and they need to disable all the features, bla bla bla. And that whatever new features introduced by the OS doesn't screw with their network.

The more customization a telco does to the phone the more time and $$$ it takes for the telco to get a new version out, hence the issue with the Android phones.

Apple doesn't allow much telco customization on the iphones therefore not much difference between telco updates.

Windows Phone 7 is a half half deal, the telcos can still customize certain parts of the OS but it's usually non essential (hence some phone's where the search button goes to Yahoo) But telcos would still want to go through the motions to ensure their network and phones dont get screwed when an update comes around.

MS on their part has released the table of telco's update schedule.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-u...dule-world.aspx
And users have already started screaming at Aussie telco Telstra since they havent even delivered first update.

The summary of this is that, the Telco holds quite a lot of power in the US to determine what phones get sold over there (look what happened to Nokia when they don't want to concede to the US telcos demands), and MS is actually trying to play nice with them by allowing some customization ala Android, but still dictate that updates need to be delivered in a given time frame ala Apple.

So they're stuck in an interesting position. My advice would be that if you want to get your WP7 updates as soon as possible, get an open carrier phone. Which is surprisingly easy in our country, technically our open carrier phones is worth alot to enthusiast since they will be first in line to get the updates the moment the hardware manufacturer finishes testing.

But my phone is Singtel branded cry.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(Andrew Lim @ Mar 25 2011, 12:05 PM)
Thanks marauderz for your explanation. smile.gif

So the main problem it seems would be telcos having too much power. I think Microsoft should try to make their software updates skip telco approval after the user purchases the phone. Perhaps the software stack in WP7 is not so flexible right now, but I'm hope Microsoft may be able to segregate Telco-specific modifications and OS-specific enhancements/upadtes.

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Actually its already quite seperated already, but telcos can't just take it on their word that the updates won't affect their networks, so they'll always want to test to be sure.


QUOTE(Andrew Lim @ Mar 25 2011, 12:05 PM)
There's one thing I have to disagree with you though: phones having not enough power. The computing power in basic smartphones is comparable to Windows PCs from 10 years ago. tongue.gif
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While its true that our phone's CPU has more computing power than a Windows PC 10 years again, on the phone every single ounce of that computing power you use goes into draining the batery. That's why when designing a portable system its not about how much computing power you can stuff into it, its how to balance power consumptopn vs available computing power.
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post Mar 26 2011, 01:20 PM

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eh, that has nothing to do with the update!
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post Mar 27 2011, 01:51 AM

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Hmm... interesting.
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Sorry, you can't change the ringtone to your own songs yet.

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