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post Jul 6 2011, 03:59 AM

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QUOTE(monsta2011 @ Jul 5 2011, 08:14 PM)
Hi I would like to know whether the audit department is male dominated? and approximately how many junior associates are there?
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My dear, it's FEMALE dominated LOL and there's TONNES of junior associates.
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post Jul 10 2011, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(monsta2011 @ Jul 10 2011, 02:28 PM)
Don't you guys find it scary to go home late at night? Especially when you have to pick up your car in the car park. That place is prone to car thieves/rapists at night  shocking.gif  unless u know there's Batman around.
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Hahaha, yeah. Just take the relevant safety precautions and you'll be fine. Repark your car, don't work alone (besides if you wanna work alone you might as well go home, or go find starbucks or some nice chillaxed cafe somewhere)

QUOTE(monsta2011 @ Jul 10 2011, 06:32 PM)
Is it possible to bring work home?
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Generally, yes, but not all the time (especially during key dates). I can be very lenient initially, but I mentally keep notes of a person's progress. If that person is obviously not working as fast as he/she should, I'll make a bit of noise. And if it doesnt work, I'll jsut escalates it upward that this associate is not performing, and will be reflected accordingly. I am nice to people whom I find to be competent, but really strict to the rest.

Call me biased, but it's how I manage. If you don't deserve the free rein, you don't get it.
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post Jul 10 2011, 11:00 PM

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Join EY. People are nicer there smile.gif
In PwC, you have people like myself. Nasty, demanding and a little power crazy.
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post Jul 11 2011, 02:13 AM

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DOnt worry about it smile.gif Shud be fine. Im sure they have some medical coverage XD
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post Jul 12 2011, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(seeya @ Jul 11 2011, 08:07 PM)
i get GFS from EY..while for PwC, i can only know which department i m in after i go in...both give same basic salary which is 2700...

i heard tat PwC can claim a lot things like broadband, telephone etc.
erm, correct me if what i heard is wrong....
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Correction. We get an 'allowance' for telephone, nto claim. We get an RM40/mth limit on bband too.
Inversely, at 1st year and 2nd year senior levels, the salaries of EY (from what I heard) is higher than PwC.
Its a tradeoff. Tit for tat.
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post Jul 12 2011, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(besaid @ Jul 12 2011, 06:03 PM)
ThanatosSwiftfire, now I am doing internship at another big 4. I would like to ask what is your expectation for VTs and fresh AAs?
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Can't answer you, because it depends on how is the workload on the assignment. If we have sufficient staff, expectations on the VTs might not be so high. If we dont, everyone will have to pick up the shortfall, and that includes the VTs.

Generally, I expect being able to write a sentence, not timid and willing to ask questions, knows how to be tactful with the client (i'm personally still working on this, but it's great when some VTs just have the natural charm with the clients), knows how to use excel decently well (basic formulaas), and then of course, of strong accounting knowledge (up to a point la. I'm expecting if like.. if a sales happens, u know what the debit and credits shud be.. kind of thing).

Everything else, just pick up quickly as you go. =)
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post Jul 21 2011, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(Debuantu @ Jul 21 2011, 08:09 PM)
Haha I see. I guess it's better to get another phone number.


Added on July 21, 2011, 10:37 pmCareers for People Who Don't Like People sweat.gif
http://education.yahoo.net/articles/jobs_for_haters.htm

Is it true that the auditors/accountants don't interact much with people? Do you think such career suits a quiet person?
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Wrong. You have to be able to deal with DIFFICULT people, generally all the time. Dealing with people must be natural to you, because we are a service industry. smile.gif
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post Jul 26 2011, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(Garfie @ Jul 26 2011, 01:40 AM)
lol @ thanatos. dealing with people, or being submissive to people i.e. client? big difference there whoa.... whistling.gif
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Hahahaha i admit im pretty submissive. My EQ is way up there! LOL.
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post Oct 14 2011, 10:02 PM

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Right now, it's relatively comparable, except for PwC which is lower than the rest in terms of basic salary for the average performer.

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post Oct 23 2011, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(YH90 @ Oct 23 2011, 10:25 AM)
I have a friend, a fresh grad in KPMG CF who was advised to spent a year in audit before coming back to CF. And friends have told me about the learning curve as well.

Joining as an auditor gives us insights of MNC's best practices which enables us to join consultancy later on to consult on inferior firms? Is my point valid? Since MNC's operations are assumed to be at its best in the industry, we will be able to consult what we have learned from there and adjust accordingly to suit lesser firms?
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Just one question, how well do you think you know the details of how our clients operations are?
I might know the rough processes, and what sort of documents are needed along the way, but I've got little idea of what their decision making processes are like, or what sort of thought process do they go through on whether to decide on make payments etc or not.

Without knowing the details, I find it hard to sell myself as a subject matter expert, even though I've been doing say client X for the last 4 years.
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post Jan 27 2012, 03:20 PM

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Good lord my intern is so blur sotong I wanna strangle them.. Damn them CFAB interns.
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post Feb 5 2012, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(Jia Lin @ Feb 5 2012, 03:01 PM)
Would like to ask, anyone here having internship for CFAB/ICAEW, or an ICAEW graduate?
How's the programme actually?
how do u think on ACCA vs ICAEW?
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I have no issues with the ICAEW programme, and in my personal opinion they are a more prestigious programme compared to ACCA.

But I have a huge HUGE HUUUUGEEEE problem with the CFAB - > ICAEW interns, based on the few interns that I've come across in my life in PwC.

1. Most have HORRIBLE Microsoft excel skills.
2. Most have no idea what the hell is going on. (don't even have a decent idea how an invoice looks like ><)
3. Most don't really have any 'heart' to really learn, or to build up their knowledge of the working world.
4. Most are super young (18/19 years old) and frankly, at that age, you're just an immature kid, despite what you may think of yourself.

Whereas compared to my other interns who are.. 22/23 y/o from USM/UM/UUM or TAR etc.. those are much better adjusted and show better knack of what's going on.

SO yeah.




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post Feb 6 2012, 12:33 PM

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In terms of excel/work, I'm just expecting u to remember a few simple things.

a) Keep your files organised. Save copies of your own work, and arrange them so that you can find them when we ask you to show it to us.
b) Know how to use =sum and do multiplications etc
c) Know how to document neatly. (seriously, all you need to do is just make sure all the fonts you use are the same size, make sure the numbers have the some amount of decimals, and don't use too many colors etc...)

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post Feb 13 2012, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(Knight_2008 @ Feb 6 2012, 01:05 PM)
lol.. and they can't do even that? i'm under the impression that big 4 have an induction and training programme for them
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Hahaha. There's alot of things new graduates don't know how to do.


QUOTE(morgana_jara @ Feb 6 2012, 09:53 PM)
It's assumed that you have basic Excel and Word skills when you join. Afterall, most joiners are fresh graduates from unis/ACCA, and surely must have used Excel/Word in their assignments. The induction and training in the Big 4 when you first enter is more of knowing HR policies, office rules, how to use the timesheet to record your work and audit methodologies.
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Students think they'll only pick it up at work. Employers assume they'll pick it up in college. The front line staff who needs to train these people out of necessity are the ones that suffer. sad.gif
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QUOTE(Paradice @ Feb 23 2012, 11:39 PM)
Looks like some CFAB intern got off to a bad start with you. But is the problem with CFAB students or generally fresh graduates?
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Erm, the problem is there for most new associates/interns, but for if we're looking specifically at interns, CFAB interns are generally the worse. I've gotten bad experiences from 2 CFAB interns (both during peak), and have heard of similar complaints from my peers.

That said, I have heard of good ones. But the general outlook and perception of CFAB interns for me, is that they suck.

Hahaha, I gave bad ratings to people who got off badly with me. If you're not good enough, sorry to say, you're not good enough. I'll save my fellow colleagues from the suffering of living/working with a half-past-six staff that can't even get basic things right. If you've been a senior and been through the suffering of fixing your teammates' incomplete work, you'll know what it feels like.

Sure, in a perfect environment, everyone would be given a chance to learn and fix themselves, but during peak and we're short of seniors as it is, and you give me attitude and do half past six work for me? Sorry. YHe's gonna get it. And trust me, I'll tell the person who the intern will be working for next that the intern needs 'special' attention.

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QUOTE(superhero_123 @ Mar 5 2012, 02:47 PM)
Hi,

Some introduction. I am an IT staff with 5 yrs experience as an System Engineer with 2 years experience in information security, risk assessment, vulnerability assessment, vulnerability scanning and etc. I have just passed my CISA exam last December, pending certification.

Do you know if there is any opening suitable for my experience and do they take anyone without audit experiences? What salary range do you think is applicable for my experience?

Thanks in advance for any comment.
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PwC SPA advisory. They'll need your skillset. PM Me, I can recommend u, and we share the employee referral fee. (lol)
They might take u from a senior Associate to manager, depending on how hard you push and bargain tongue.gif
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QUOTE(allornothing @ Jun 12 2012, 12:29 PM)
Many reasons. One might want to migrate to Australia in the future. An Australian degree is automatically awarded extra points for migration. Some parents believe paying more (compared to about 35k for ACCA) will have a more complete educational experience. You get to do internships, have real semester breaks, access to research databases, learn to research, experience different cultures, cultivate critical thinking skills. They believe that education is not about just passing your exams.

I'm from Sunway. And I would advise you to enjoy your uni life first. If possible, take the degree route.
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QUOTE(z21j @ Jul 5 2012, 06:14 PM)
haha... terbalik...

For audit & advisory

ey is the hardest even you are 1st class hon. PWC, KPMG will surely take u if you are excellent in academic.
ey has unique selection/shortlistings criteria and even 1st class hon wont get shortlisted.

While Deloitte, BDO, Crowe Horwath quite easy.

For tax,

Deloitte is the toughest.
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Oh. Didn't know that. Last time I went to EY, wasn't difficult to get shortlisted at all. Interview, interview again, then offered d.
Then again, PwC also called me la.
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post Jul 10 2012, 06:44 PM

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On a side note, anyone in PwC lately noticing all the hot chicks in our office? Seems mostly fresh cos I've not seen them before. XD
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QUOTE(acgerlok7 @ Jul 11 2012, 09:53 AM)
Hi dear sifus, i have a question in mind, if I want to enter auditing/chartered accounting, Is it better for me to take a degree for say in Monash then proceed to work in Big 4 before moving on to pursue my professional qualifications? Because im worried since a monash business degree is an australian one, it might not be as recogsnised by ACCA/ICAEW and not as many exemptions as before for me to get into the prof programmes and then later on to Big 4 here or in Singapore. sad.gif
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I think you can actually try to approach ACCA/ICAEW on how many papers you'll be exempted for your that particular degree, then only move on whether to decide it'll be okay. Perhaps send ICAEW and ACCA an email to their student contact number etc and see what they come back with?

On average, general business degrees don't get as many exemptions from ACCA/ICAEW/ICAA etc, generally because the focus is less on the accounting and finance items that are covered by the above.

Alternatively, if you have seniors or friends who've done the same degree as you, you might try to reach out to them and ask them about exemptions. Nothing to lose, innit smile.gif

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