hi footballers, i just came back from a night game....i made a blunder this game...

the opponent was hurt in game, so we kick the ball out for him to be treated, then when the ball restart, referee ordered a fair play so our opponent throw in and kick the ball high up back towards our defensive third. I went up to collect the ball. It was a real high aerial ball. I chested the ball on the first touch and i saw their striker charging at me... I was a bit panic since i was the last man standing before the goalkeeper and the second touch after i chested was a desperate clear with my left foot. Becoz its my left foot....so it didnt went far, it went straight towards an opponent player and they counter attacked.


The problem is i dun really understand the fair play rules, since its a fair play , aren't we allowed to control the ball properly first before they made any attempt to regain possession? Shouldn't he allow me to play the ball on the ground first before charging at me ? =.=" I didn't know and didnt want to take the risk so i just clear it desperately.

Cause he charged at me when the ball is in the air, even before i chested the ball. It was technically challenging becoz its a high aerial ball.



the question that i want to make it clear.


IF i didnt touch the ball and let it bounce, and he got the ball, will it be a foul (unsporting behavior)?


If he got the ball from me after i chested (before the ball touch the ground), will it be a foul (unsporting behavior)?



cause everytime i watch fair play on professional they usually wont pressure the defenders that control the ball....

there isn't a technical rule on foul in that case I think. he can challenge for the ball or whatever, but obviously he wouldn't be 'fair' even though there is no foul committed technically.

fair play is all about the spirit. he should allow the ball to be passed to your keeper. and play to resume from there or something. sounds like your opponent is a bit of a tosser. does he play for uruguay? ; p

you said it yourself, those are professionals..not the one you played against (I guess)

and as soon as you chested the ball, means your team is in possesion of it just like before your opponent was hurt, and he is entitled to challenge you..just my opinion on that..yeah it may be unsporting, but I understand if the ref doesn't see it as a foul

This post has been edited by SGSuser: Dec 2 2010, 01:10 AM

wth uruguay =.=

lolz

maybe he's friends with suarez. who knows. better wear a tough scarf next match yo.

or maybe you need a fifa ref to referee your next match

even FIFA ref won't be able to do anything. technically he's not committing a foul. the only thing TS can do next time they play is to do the same, no fair play for them. who cares if their players injured, take advantage of them completely. if they complain, point out this incident.

fifa ref will have better explanation to him

just play to the ref's whistle, if he doesnt blow then continue playing...unless you see the injured opponent has a weird looking leg or something

don't think the referee is obliged 100% to blow even if opposition injured. it's kind of a subjective point in FIFA rules, subject to referee discretion. most times, it's the player themselves who play fairly and kick the ball out so that the injured can get treatment or leave the field. then play is given back to the team last in possession.

playing to ref's whistle can be unfair sometimes and cynical. like United against Spurs. clearly it's a matter of fair play or not. professional does not equal fair too.

so theres no fair play rules after all. =.=

no, there isn't.

Theres no fair play in Malaysia.

Teams have been using the so-called fair play to their advantage in some of the games I've seen. They just purposely kick the ball out at the very edge of the opponents half, so that the opponents will have a throw in at their own half. When the opponents take the throw in, they will put pressure & sometimes will get back possession.

There's nothing much U can do about that, becoz it's not a written rule. It's just courtesy.

instead of arguing about the fairplay system,why don't we talk about techincal stuff a bit.

next time learn to clear the ball properly.

LOL.just kidding.

if it's really high ball,why don't you just head it@let the ball bounce on the field first?

Fair play is too subjective to even discuss about because there's no proper ruleset. All comes down to the player to judge.

This post has been edited by Belphegor: Dec 2 2010, 11:10 AM

if i let it bounce then die liao, the striker can get it easily, i was confuse that time, i thought im suppose to be allowed to play the ball on the ground first at least....b4 he comes, or let me pass to the keeper first...

i have seen Selangor team clearly indicating that they will stop play and kick the ball out due to their own player's injury...

everyones stops play anticipating him to kick it out.. he kicked it high cross field towards the touch line ..but "miscues" it and the ball stayed in and received by another Selangor player on the far side...

to the horror of the opponent, insted of passing the ball out, he start to attack from there while the defensive line all over the place already stopped playing...

he passed the back to center.. 1 on 1 with keeper...goal..

needless to say they claimed no whistle from the referee...

thats profesional football for you..

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Dec 2 2010, 02:29 PM

leave it to GK is always good option, or even all defender and GK can leave the high ball until it goes out then u can have goal kick, we always do that in this situation

u defender? high ball coming let it bounce first. the striker come at you if you cannot tahan then grapple with him and fall down and hold the ball. most of it he get fk. if not he foul u get fk. lol

screw him bah, confront him, push his chest and start fighting, when ref ask, tell ref about it. problem solve.

I don't know how big is your field...

but normally after treatment and game restarted... the opponent shouldn't give u a lot of pressure.. and let u have freedom to pass the ball for a short while...

yeah like what the said before, there is no such thing as fair play rules, its just a common courtesy.

And to those who said let the ball bounce first, I'm pretty sure the striker was already running at him before he saw it, so if he let it bounce , there would be a higher chance of the striker getting it. But this is just whats playing in my imagination heh.

Unfortunate to you buddy, that guy needs to go back to moral's class

if it is Arsene Wenger, prolly he will insist a rematch
anyway, it is moral problem, and i believe you're panick situation... nex time better backpass to keeper, try not to aim goal mouth (make sure u kick with enough strength and dun bcome own goal too) or just clearance

Anyway, where do u guys play?

I did something real stupid today, we were having intercampus football tournament (all campus over the country gather at KL for football tournament) and i was suppose to start for my school. We discussed it before already, i was on the starting line up. But then i saw some of my opponent looks pro, i told the captain that i feel nervous and scared....then he took me off the starting line ...wtf...i feel so frustrated weih... at the end i played 15 min only, i did well and proved that im the player he will not want to miss, but f*** weih i cant believe im sub.... so f***ed up ... =,=


now i look so stupid .. zzz

This post has been edited by FLampard: Dec 4 2010, 01:39 AM

if mentality lose already not way someone will believe u can do it for real~
no matter how strong the opponent is, never think or tell yourself you're scared or worry about this and that.

u proved urself. let it be man. look out for future chances

Its normal la

i tend to feel nervous before big matches. Its the pressure that hits.

All the time. even when headmaster call me to his room (when i was in secondary) also i feel so. Sometimes a bit stomach ache.

and my heart beat will increase rapidly.

Sorry mate but I don't know if this issue should be made as a thread to be discussed in the Football Lounge. Be prepared to have this thread closed soon...

This post has been edited by schmeichel7: Dec 4 2010, 01:38 AM

i'll just be happy to get feedbacks.

u got what u deserved really

if i the captain i will do the same

low confidence, definitely going to bench.

but you're sharing the pressure with ur teammates, sure negative issue though. next time, learn from mistake

yea, high pressure = low performance.

thats why u in the bench.. u need to overcome this to prove ureself bro..

how is Football Lounge a place to discuss about how pissed you are being bench? This is not FLampard.blogspot.com u know?

Learn when to shut the fcuk up.

Your captain did the right thing.

You wouldn't be able to shine if you had that kind of mentality from the get go. So he put you on when everyone else is tired as hell. And lo and behold, you did well (how well I don't know).

why this shouldnt be in football lounge?

its a refreshing discussion compare to typical club idolization in other threads..

this is real life football..

you became 0.5" shame on u

Might I suggest creating an umbrella thread that covers a broader topic? Maybe, "Personal Footballing Experience" or something?

Agree, seems like TS has been creating threads based on personal football experience lately. That's why IcyDarling said it's like his blog. This kind of topic seems more suitable in kopitiam reli.

U know what kopitiam is all about, and u know what kind of replies i will get.

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Added on December 4, 2010, 9:37 amthis is football lounge where ppl discuss /share/give opinions/offer solution/ anything about football. At least thats what i thought.



its ok, i thought football lounge has a lot of experienced footballers.

This post has been edited by FLampard: Dec 4 2010, 09:37 AM

how is this football related? I mean, well it is FOOTBALL, bt whats the point of this thread really?

Its not like u see people starting thread about them playing football with their younger siblings at home, breaking vase in Football Lounge just because well, its football

unless well, maybe u trying to tell us, to have confident, but in that sense, its kind of invisible to me

It's ok man,create more football threads,this is what Football Longue is about,to talk about football..even though this may be more to personal story,but it's interesting to hear

Btw,FLampard,are u a professional footballer?How long have you been playing?

the point is he discussing these little things in football that you cannot see or exprience by watching football on your couch or at mamak stalls...

this is real life things that you can learn from other people's experience. this is about him. not about his opinion on some millionaire mat salleh who lives thousands of mile away..

its refreshing to say the least..

i dont agree that he should put it in an umbrella thread. those sort of thread will only create niche participants and we cannot create a general opinion and discussion as people outside does not know what current topic is discussed in there..

Ur captain is right. U r defender, if u nervous and scare how to handle the oopponent attackers ?

john terry seems angry......

this seems like a trolling topic.. but whatever...

its ur fault for admitting that ur nervous.

its a big match and no way people are gonna take a chance with a nervous defender (or any position at that).

so u are cool with the thread "i played football with my brother type of thread" here? eg of content I play football with my brother. I broke a vase

I'm alright with all his topics like Throw-Ins, then theres the rule that book the players for "Let Go" coz those are football discussions. What discussion is this bringing then? It just doesnt seem like a blogger type of post in his first post to you, isnt it?



I did something real stupid today, we were having intercampus football tournament (all campus over the country gather at KL for football tournament) and i was suppose to start for my school.
-already sound like what i will write in a diary, but alright, situations needed to make a clearer view of the topic

But then i saw some of my opponent looks pro, i told the captain that i feel nervous and scared.
-Personal view of the writer, feelings. What you feed a diary coz no one is looking

then he took me off the starting line ...wtf...i feel so frustrated weih
-sounds to me like a rant on the internet/ur personal diary. eg: mum scolded me. dam!

at the end i played 15 min only,
-more life story

i did well and proved that im the player he will not want to miss
-lolz boasting(this is not diary material, but im just saying it for the fun of it.

but f*** weih i cant believe im sub.... so f***ed up ... =,=
-woots, i remember alien2003 said before that even if u mask your fouls, its still "warning-able"


Wait, wheres the discussion of the topic then? What do we think of your captain? Or.. was it the attitude that u wanted to talk about?

If this goes on, im pretty sure this lounge is going to be flooded with every experience of his football tournament. eg: i scored a goal, yay!

maybe you're just trying to ease your nervousness by voicing it out to someone, but its a big game, and the captain won't second guess your words; and he won't risk the entire team's performance just to let you play

next time, learn to cope with this, and its only "they looked pro", not that they are really pro lol

yap i have no problem with"i played football with my brother type of thread" here. if you dont want to share your experience, why stop him from doing so..

and i dont think you have the right to scrutunize his style of writing. If we start doing that, this truly wont become a "FOOTBALL" lounge anymore. Try discussing what he want to say in there instead.

And i do think this "LOUNGE" would be more happening if EVERYONE share their exerience in real life tournaments. i myself would be interested to read and discuss about it. Especially those little things that Sebby Singh or Dez Corrkhill not already covered with.

right now the patern of this LOUNGE is everyone so boxed in discussion about their own favourite foreign clubs.. there is not much interaction to discuss anything besides that..

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Dec 4 2010, 12:13 PM

Lol...opening up a thread everytime something happened. Gotta agree with Duke with the umbrella.

Really? I played football with my brother thread? If we were to do that, u'd probably need to scroll to the 3rd pages to find some less active football fan thread. Its going be flooded, and sooner or later, its turning /k/

Im not commenting on his style of writing, im more of concerned about the content of the post.

a lounge full of personal experience lol... "yay i did a save" "yay i scored a goal" "yay i throwed one ball into the pitch" "i spit on the pitch" "i bought a ticket to watch football in Bukik Jalil"

What Shebby discussed is what they think. It'll be alright to share what you think about football, and maybe slip in ur experience. Not just post ur experience, without really expecting a discussion.

Lol IcyDarling you sound like you have got something against the TS,jealous he plays good football? Just cool man,don't think that far

nah... spm biology stress + no mu game tonight + i rather not say the last part

Please either do this in Kopitiam OR create a blog to do this then post the link in the signature.

The forum ain't the place to let your express your personal things like this.

For the record, you had done this more than once:

1) i said something stupid and was benched, =.=

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1663519&hl=

2) fair play problem, my blunder almost gave away goal

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1660859&hl=

On a second thought, I merged the second thread into this one and will keep it open but do not create another thread for another issue. I have renamed the topic to serve the purpose of discussion so use it for future "event".

Thanks.

This post has been edited by alien2003: Dec 4 2010, 04:34 PM

i dont think posting it in a blog or in /K/ will get him the feedback from general serious football activist as he required.

But your idea to rename the thread each time base in issues sounds reasonable..

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Dec 4 2010, 04:35 PM

so nice of alien to merge and create this thread..kutgw

wat kind of serious feedback he expect from "i kena kick out of the starting 11 for feeling opponent is strong?"

We have no problems for any discussion about personal playing experience but not to that extent of creating one thread everytime something "happen". If you get what I mean

something like "try harder, kid" or "tough luck mate" ROFL but yeah it's really not necessary to open a new thread each time his learn something new or something happened..then again I wouldnt really mind too since he's not talking all nonsense in all of his thread

wait til he starts commenting on our comments, then comes the bulls haha


anyway, since this is football experience

That day i play in school (yes aku 2 inci), the stupid padang got bukit bukit, how to dribble the ball like this? pass also hard, will bounce up one.. So what do you guys think the style of playing should be? High ball straight from keeper to striker head?
p/s: this is noob padang, so the length is not to the extent of pro football.

bukit bukit? i would rather not play, prevent injuries while running...kesian my expensive nikes

aiya == this one play fun fun one marh.. barefoot cukup bah. Its not really bukit2 all over, the flanks == my goodness, drible half way the ball will jump up one. so everyone compact in midfield and its hard to score goals like this ==

so i wondering if is there any type of dribbling skills made for bukit2x surface?

something along the line of how good communication skill with your coach is an underated detail easy to be ovelooked by young football players.

Personally i think his coach overracted. if he know his players ability well, he wouldnt make last minuted line up changes just because one of his players make a too positive remark about the opponents.

coach? i tot i read captain...that's true tbh, good point...but then whenever you tell your coach or in his case the captain(i assume no coach there) that he feels nervous and opponents look strong then the right thing is to let him sit out, who wants a nervy defender to play ffs...and you have to take into consideration other factors as well, maybe there were others equally good as him so the captain wants the change

or maybe becoz the captain saw him not able to control a pass well after the fair play incident so his faith in ts dropped

This post has been edited by SGSuser: Dec 4 2010, 05:09 PM

lol thank u mod alien2003, i was hoping to learn from ppl who are more experience than me, seems like i came to the wrong place.

I think it's a good topic. Quite a few here love football for the fact that they actually get down and dirty playing the game - and not some armchair manager who spend more time behind the screen than on actual grass. Or at least what's left of the grass in our fields... :-)

I absolutely agree with getting down and dirty, mr mike.

It's ok man,don't give a damn to him,just post more football experiences you have,some of us like miketee and me like hearing about football,because we are one of those type who likes going down and dirty playing the game,not some armchair manager who sits behind the screen and thinks he really knows about football,I love football,and also basketball

I abolutely agree

man, it's so hard to get a discussion going on in here without some wannabe mod shifting the argument to 'why this thread shouldn't be'. don't like the thread go comment elsewhere or PM a moderator with your reasons. man, the amount of wannabe mods in here, this is like PKR or something. =/

and TS, you're a young lad easily hurt and emo. toughen up, on the pitch and IRL. don't have to take everything personal you know?

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This post has been edited by FLampard: Dec 6 2010, 12:13 AM

mana u?

aww removed

This post has been edited by SGSuser: Dec 6 2010, 12:13 AM

I scared ppl recognize me wanna come whack me in real life.

btw , we won gold, with me starting or not

This post has been edited by FLampard: Dec 6 2010, 12:14 AM

u done nothing wrong why sked? afterall u said here all keyboard warriors only rite

i shy shy la


nvm, just SGSuser seen it will be enuf

he'll be the witness.

This post has been edited by FLampard: Dec 6 2010, 12:21 AM

I don't have much experience in playing football in tournament but i did have one or two. The rest only futsal. Was playing as a defensive midfielder during my college days in a tournament. Man, it's the most exhausting position i have ever played in.

which uni/college participated?

reli? i semput while playing wing, especially for my team that needs to defend a lot. up and down, up and down..when attack, need to run up until even into penalty box. when defending, especially if opposite flank is attacked, i need to tuck into defensive line. i could just stay higher, but dun want to kena yell by coach

even playing box to box midfielder i can manage, dunno why wing so tiring.

That's why la,why the hell go and talk about 'why this thread shouldn't be',bla,bla,bla'why this forum not the right place' etc. when all TS wanted to talk about was his footballing experience! You guys probably know who I'm talking about,dun wanna say any names

Hey share it with us la,we wanna see how u look like too

all campus in Msia of TARC.

You be the witness enuf la XD

cool..my fren also at tarc, duno got enter or not...congratz btw

ok la i show.....but plz dun quote this. and dun pariah go edit my photo i will come whack u for real


This post has been edited by FLampard: Dec 6 2010, 01:01 AM

Which one are you?Damn nice weh your team mostly Chinese,I'm not being racist but I find it uncomfortable to play football because MOST,if not ALL of them are Malays

mana u? (2nd time)

our team got 3 indians if u notice, and they get to play so there is no racism.


dun wan la, i shy.

why uncomfortable i grew up playing football with malays and ibans back in sarawak

but i do agree, 5 years ago hard to find chinese who likes football, at least in my hometown. it's like chinese = basketball Now, i think more and more are playing.

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Dec 6 2010, 12:32 AM

What I meant was,it's good that your team has at least a quite a few Chinese,my area there's not a single Chinese playing football,all Malays only I dun really feel comfortable playing with all malays,again I''m not being racist

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Added on December 6, 2010, 12:35 amLol I oso dunno why,just that I guess I'm not really close to them?

And I also think a lot of Chinese plays basketball too,but maybe now more Chinese playing football like u said,but I dunno,my area here mostly Malays,hard to find Chinese playing

This post has been edited by bigbangformula: Dec 6 2010, 12:35 AM

Don't wanna tell my college name la, later all here know me suddenly,

pyroboy1911, it's exhausting because i chased every opponent players who hold the ball to stop the supply in front of goal. man after the pass to another player, i have to chase that guy pulak, over and over.

Last time in college days the likes of Roy Keane, Gattusso and Vidic and even Alan Smith were my inspiration. Konon2 can play like that la, hahha but semput

Well, I guess maybe it's good to play with them then, providing they accept you to play together without racial issue get to know them better, you'll realize race counts for so little once u're on the field

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Added on December 6, 2010, 12:42 amAh yes I know that experience. Had the privilege to defend against 2 east Timor players, one of them played for the country's under-21 national team some time ago. Imagine chasing 2 Nani's passing and dribbling with each other

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Dec 6 2010, 12:42 AM

Maybe,but they kind of think that Chinese are not good in football,only basketball

Prove it to them then

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Dec 6 2010, 12:47 AM

Tell them China played in WC before

Yeah that's tiring play as that sort of role.

I know a Chinese guy, studied law in a local University, stopped halfway and took football studies course. very brave.

http://www.cyberlynx.edu.my/college_under_dfs.html

This post has been edited by maxizanc: Dec 6 2010, 01:02 AM