Is new Proton Saga BLM a good car? And worth to buy? Won't be got any problem even after 3 to 5 years?
Is new Proton Saga BLM a good car?, Compare to toyota, nissan ...
Is new Proton Saga BLM a good car?, Compare to toyota, nissan ...
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Nov 19 2010, 10:25 PM, updated 14y ago
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Is new Proton Saga BLM a good car? And worth to buy? Won't be got any problem even after 3 to 5 years?
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Nov 19 2010, 10:27 PM
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u referring to current model or the facelift?
if wan buy now better wait for dec or better next year jan.coz proton launching the facelift on dec |
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Nov 19 2010, 10:43 PM
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facelif? I means the whole car..
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Nov 19 2010, 10:46 PM
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You compare to what? Toyota Camry? Celica? Nissan Sylphy? 370Z?
What kind of problem you refer to? Engine broken? Mind you Saga BLM 1st launch until now no more than 4 years, who knows it will tahan 5 years or not... |
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Nov 19 2010, 10:52 PM
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Its a car which is good for less than 6 months. After that there will be breakdowns after breakdowns. So yea its a6 month car.
Avoid at all cost. You might pay less compared to myvi, but this is an example of penny wise , pound foolish. |
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Nov 19 2010, 10:57 PM
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 19 2010, 10:52 PM) Its a car which is good for less than 6 months. After that there will be breakdowns after breakdowns. So yea its a6 month car. If this is reality, you won't see any Saga BLM with new no plate on road. ROFL.Avoid at all cost. You might pay less compared to myvi, but this is an example of penny wise , pound foolish. |
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Nov 19 2010, 11:00 PM
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Alot of ppl dont know . Think its cheap . Buy it. Problem happen. Wat can they do? Cheap ma
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Nov 19 2010, 11:01 PM
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so saga blm <viva<myvi?
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Nov 19 2010, 11:06 PM
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 19 2010, 10:52 PM) Its a car which is good for less than 6 months. After that there will be breakdowns after breakdowns. So yea its a6 month car. my brother in law had use the car for almost a year now...no problem at all...even the car is BIG...i guess,,,its bigger and comfort than gen2..(at the passenger seat)Avoid at all cost. You might pay less compared to myvi, but this is an example of penny wise , pound foolish. |
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Nov 19 2010, 11:11 PM
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QUOTE(k3nji @ Nov 19 2010, 11:06 PM) my brother in law had use the car for almost a year now...no problem at all...even the car is BIG...i guess,,,its bigger and comfort than gen2..(at the passenger seat) Some ppl is truly unfortunate one, breakdown after breakdown after 6 months, maybe the world's unlucky BLM user. |
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Nov 19 2010, 11:17 PM
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BLM is a good car. better than city
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Nov 19 2010, 11:48 PM
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QUOTE(Taipan052 @ Nov 19 2010, 11:17 PM) lol bro, did anyone bash any other car here? why must u mention city? did TS even referring or drawing the comparison to Honda?? BLM better than city in what way? Look? engine? performance? fuel consumption? top speed? 0-100km/h speed? reliability? I know Kevin bash your Forte, and u would love to revenge it here. Did anyone start bashing each other now here in this thread? they were merely discussing and u come up with BLM is a good car. better than city On the other thread, u asked others not to bash without facts, now are u trying to bash with facts? If yes, please provide me the facts please? I would love to see how good is a BLM compare to city.... PLEASSSSEEEE??? I BEG U for this... Grow up or get a life please. Dont bring your emotions from 1 thread to another just because u see the one who bashed u is here. |
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Nov 19 2010, 11:59 PM
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Nov 19 2010, 11:48 PM) lol bro, did anyone bash any other car here? why must u mention city? lolz. its because he's starting to bash proton. and yeah because he is just a fanboy.did TS even referring or drawing the comparison to Honda?? BLM better than city in what way? Look? engine? performance? fuel consumption? top speed? 0-100km/h speed? reliability? I know Kevin bash your Forte, and u would love to revenge it here. Did anyone start bashing each other now here in this thread? they were merely discussing and u come up with BLM is a good car. better than city On the other thread, u asked others not to bash without facts, now are u trying to bash with facts? If yes, please provide me the facts please? I would love to see how good is a BLM compare to city.... PLEASSSSEEEE??? I BEG U for this... Grow up or get a life please. Dont bring your emotions from 1 thread to another just because u see the one who bashed u is here. and why do you write like this to me? seems u also butthurt for no reason on my last comment on the other thread. get a life dude. you're the one who cannot understand what i'm saying before refer this http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=37841615 and this http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=37840811 |
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Nov 20 2010, 12:00 AM
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Saga is a car for the mass. in the past, Ford & VW used to make cars for the masses...
good transportation...this Saga. i wont say its not a good car, because it is a transportation. that is all there is. buy it for that function & purpose, and hopefully dont expect too much. |
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Nov 20 2010, 12:04 AM
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QUOTE(eddie_al @ Nov 20 2010, 12:00 AM) Saga is a car for the mass. in the past, Ford & VW used to make cars for the masses... +1good transportation...this Saga. i wont say its not a good car, because it is a transportation. that is all there is. buy it for that function & purpose, and hopefully dont expect too much. |
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Nov 20 2010, 12:24 AM
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QUOTE(Taipan052 @ Nov 19 2010, 11:59 PM) lolz. its because he's starting to bash proton. and yeah because he is just a fanboy. u get me wrong here dude, your last comment on the other thread > I did not reply nor hit back, because I ACCEPT it, so dont have to talk much.and why do you write like this to me? seems u also butthurt for no reason on my last comment on the other thread. get a life dude. you're the one who cannot understand what i'm saying before refer this http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=37841615 and this http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=37840811 I dont think i cannot understand what u're saying before, Btw, thanks for providing. I'm someone good who can talk to, so let's stick to the topic and just stop the bashing temporary k? |
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Nov 20 2010, 12:27 AM
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QUOTE(Taipan052 @ Nov 19 2010, 11:17 PM) 'BLM is better than city' is simply emotional and misleading without any facts. Added on November 20, 2010, 12:29 am QUOTE(tehoice @ Nov 20 2010, 12:24 AM) u get me wrong here dude, your last comment on the other thread > I did not reply nor hit back, because I ACCEPT it, so dont have to talk much. +1. No need to argue who is basher, we know since we saw his post in this thread, simply no brainer and unconstructive.I dont think i cannot understand what u're saying before, Btw, thanks for providing. I'm someone good who can talk to, so let's stick to the topic and just stop the bashing temporary k? Added on November 20, 2010, 12:31 am QUOTE(eddie_al @ Nov 20 2010, 12:00 AM) Saga is a car for the mass. in the past, Ford & VW used to make cars for the masses... +100. Don't expect too much from it.good transportation...this Saga. i wont say its not a good car, because it is a transportation. that is all there is. buy it for that function & purpose, and hopefully dont expect too much. At least aircon coldest compare to same class, at least alot more comfortable compare to previous gen Saga (all kind of Saga), then why it isn't a good car? This post has been edited by coolkwc: Nov 20 2010, 12:31 AM |
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Nov 20 2010, 12:38 AM
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Nov 20 2010, 12:27 AM) 'BLM is better than city' is simply emotional and misleading without any facts. it's a sarcasm words to reply kevin's bashing post on Saga only good for 6 months's car.Added on November 20, 2010, 12:29 am +1. No need to argue who is basher, we know since we saw his post in this thread, simply no brainer and unconstructive. Added on November 20, 2010, 12:31 am +100. Don't expect too much from it. At least aircon coldest compare to same class, at least alot more comfortable compare to previous gen Saga (all kind of Saga), then why it isn't a good car? Saga is good. my house got one. |
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Nov 20 2010, 12:39 AM
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my friend's 2 year old Saga BLM no problem oso.. how come you say 6 months got problem d? ..
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Nov 20 2010, 12:50 AM
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QUOTE(queenc @ Nov 19 2010, 11:01 PM) QUOTE(Taipan052 @ Nov 19 2010, 11:17 PM) misleadings.... <- see! one liner comment also.My saga blm, a bit over 1 year old, the clutch got problem. Brought it to the service center, they say clutch bengkok, so change new one, as it is under warranty. But after they replace the clutch plate, release bearing and blah blah blah... Something was still loose, i can hear sounds, and the aeroplane sound of my iafm is gone already. Then i went back to have them check, they tighten the under carriage and adjust and tighten the engine mounting also, now, there is still some sounds, i feel like the clutch set wasn't installed properly. The car was very good when i first bought it(quiet, solid, got aeroplane sound), but the stupid technician in the service center made my car worse. I now blacklist this service center. |
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Nov 20 2010, 12:58 AM
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 19 2010, 10:52 PM) Its a car which is good for less than 6 months. After that there will be breakdowns after breakdowns. So yea its a6 month car. 6 month my ass. dont listen to these ppl ts.Avoid at all cost. You might pay less compared to myvi, but this is an example of penny wise , pound foolish. |
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Nov 20 2010, 01:06 AM
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If you think BLM is not a good car, then by all means buy other cars. Seriously, with the near price tag of a viva, its just affordable for a small family with a tight budget. My sis has been using it. Frequent service timing and there hasn't been any problem for a couple of years. FC might be higher than your average 800cc compact car, but for the price tag, form and function, I think we can compromise that.
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Nov 20 2010, 01:26 AM
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QUOTE(Vervain @ Nov 20 2010, 01:06 AM) If you think BLM is not a good car, then by all means buy other cars. Seriously, with the near price tag of a viva, its just affordable for a small family with a tight budget. My sis has been using it. Frequent service timing and there hasn't been any problem for a couple of years. FC might be higher than your average 800cc compact car, but for the price tag, form and function, I think we can compromise that. well said, as long as u r willing to spend some times to repair, with ur hard work i believe d car will serve u well for at least 5 years. |
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Nov 20 2010, 01:31 AM
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Well, u just have to expect BLM to bring you from Point A -> Point B, it can help you carry some stuff as well.. (Let don't talk about Design and performance, it is not my cup of tea or coffee...)
and another reason why people will consider BLM is Mat Rampit Upgrade themself to having a car, by no worry over Rain and Shine.. (have air-con some more if sit in car..) and another reason PATRIOT over Malaysian Product (which i don't recommended).. |
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Nov 20 2010, 02:22 AM
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 19 2010, 10:52 PM) Its a car which is good for less than 6 months. After that there will be breakdowns after breakdowns. So yea its a6 month car. Avoid at all cost. You might pay less compared to myvi, but this is an example of penny wise , pound foolish. QUOTE(Taipan052 @ Nov 19 2010, 11:17 PM) |
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Nov 20 2010, 02:24 AM
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Nov 19 2010, 11:48 PM) lol bro, did anyone bash any other car here? why must u mention city? You are the one who needs to grow up kid. Is goddamn obvious that kevin started to bash without actual facts saying 6 months car and bla bla bla~ Taipan is merely showing him how useless his dumb replies without facts by saying ''BLM is better than city''.did TS even referring or drawing the comparison to Honda?? BLM better than city in what way? Look? engine? performance? fuel consumption? top speed? 0-100km/h speed? reliability? I know Kevin bash your Forte, and u would love to revenge it here. Did anyone start bashing each other now here in this thread? they were merely discussing and u come up with BLM is a good car. better than city On the other thread, u asked others not to bash without facts, now are u trying to bash with facts? If yes, please provide me the facts please? I would love to see how good is a BLM compare to city.... PLEASSSSEEEE??? I BEG U for this... Grow up or get a life please. Dont bring your emotions from 1 thread to another just because u see the one who bashed u is here. This post has been edited by xVince: Nov 20 2010, 02:26 AM |
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Nov 20 2010, 03:23 AM
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QUOTE(xVince @ Nov 20 2010, 02:26 AM) You are the one who needs to grow up kid. Is goddamn obvious that kevin started to bash without actual facts saying 6 months car and bla bla bla~ Taipan is merely showing him how useless his dumb replies without facts by saying ''BLM is better than city''. +1QUOTE Its a car which is good for less than 6 months. After that there will be breakdowns after breakdowns. So yea its a6 month car. Avoid at all cost. You might pay less compared to myvi, but this is an example of penny wise , pound foolish. Please please! If you think BLM is not a good car? Why not u make your own car? Please wait until you can make your own car only bash other car maker company pls! This post has been edited by SatriaCPS5368: Nov 20 2010, 03:25 AM |
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Nov 20 2010, 04:01 AM
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What you pay is what you get.
The car itself is not that bad. Engine is using old technology. Basic components are there to drive you around. FC is only mediocre. Very bad FC for city driving but good for highway driving. What entails good car? For some people, like me, that also includes the branding and after sales service. Anyone who owned a proton before will know what I am saying. Proton's servicing is one of the worst in the industry. However, like I already said, you pay for P you get P. You pay for H you get H. So it depends on your affordability and priority. |
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Nov 20 2010, 07:09 AM
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Wow.. It's real alot of comment down here.. Would like to see owner of Saga BLM here for 1 to 3 years above.. How is it really help us in traveling? Was not expect it will better then camry, accord and cefiro those high class car.. But if compare to Vios, city, i think it wont lose out too far away.
Saga would got new facelift soon? What is the facelift? |
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Nov 20 2010, 08:56 AM
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BLM is good.. my bro used it since the 1st launch.. no problem la.. dont hear any fanboi comment la.. =_='' this is a fact..
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Nov 20 2010, 09:11 AM
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 19 2010, 10:52 PM) Its a car which is good for less than 6 months. After that there will be breakdowns after breakdowns. So yea its a6 month car. BLM drives like a car more than a myvi...Avoid at all cost. You might pay less compared to myvi, but this is an example of penny wise , pound foolish. but quality wise is questionable... |
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Nov 20 2010, 09:23 AM
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Getting a BLM really depends on luck. Is it launched 4 years ago? Because I've already heard some BLM engine that sounds like a lorry engine, katakkatakkatakkatakkatak sounds, it was lady driver.
what you pay is what you get. but my neighbour all using proton too, no problems with theirs. This post has been edited by terradrive: Nov 20 2010, 09:23 AM |
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Nov 20 2010, 09:46 AM
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QUOTE(XeonBox @ Nov 20 2010, 07:09 AM) Wow.. It's real alot of comment down here.. Would like to see owner of Saga BLM here for 1 to 3 years above.. How is it really help us in traveling? Was not expect it will better then camry, accord and cefiro those high class car.. But if compare to Vios, city, i think it wont lose out too far away. Get some times to read through this thread, adi Version 11, better than u create this thread and invite some basher inside... Saga would got new facelift soon? What is the facelift? BLM CLUB V11 |
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Nov 20 2010, 11:23 AM
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QUOTE(ssaturn @ Nov 20 2010, 01:31 AM) Well, u just have to expect BLM to bring you from Point A -> Point B, it can help you carry some stuff as well.. (Let don't talk about Design and performance, it is not my cup of tea or coffee...) It's like someone saidand another reason why people will consider BLM is Mat Rampit Upgrade themself to having a car, by no worry over Rain and Shine.. (have air-con some more if sit in car..) and another reason PATRIOT over Malaysian Product (which i don't recommended).. It's a cheap and cheerful car made from a jungle clearing company |
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QUOTE(alexus @ Nov 20 2010, 12:50 AM) misleadings.... <- see! one liner comment also. Which service center? If can i wan to avoid going there..My saga blm, a bit over 1 year old, the clutch got problem. Brought it to the service center, they say clutch bengkok, so change new one, as it is under warranty. But after they replace the clutch plate, release bearing and blah blah blah... Something was still loose, i can hear sounds, and the aeroplane sound of my iafm is gone already. Then i went back to have them check, they tighten the under carriage and adjust and tighten the engine mounting also, now, there is still some sounds, i feel like the clutch set wasn't installed properly. The car was very good when i first bought it(quiet, solid, got aeroplane sound), but the stupid technician in the service center made my car worse. I now blacklist this service center. |
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Nov 20 2010, 12:00 PM
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I still remember two years ago, I bring my old iswara to one protong service centre regarding the PS problem.
Ask this guy, he ask me to refer that guy, ask that guy, that guy ask me to refer.. Lastly, one guy come to serve me, but I think he is stupid and know nothing about the car. He take a very thick reference book(at least 5cm), page by page..half an hour later I jalan~ Proton car is ok but the Service department no proper training... |
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QUOTE(SatriaCPS5368 @ Nov 20 2010, 03:23 AM) +1 thats invalid argument.. if like what u said, dont ever say xxx yyy zzz is bad etc coz u cant make a product better than them!Please please! If you think BLM is not a good car? Why not u make your own car? Please wait until you can make your own car only bash other car maker company pls! but hey, those reviewer cant make better cars and yet they still criticize! go flame them in magazines or even tv show! QUOTE(abubin @ Nov 20 2010, 04:01 AM) What you pay is what you get. wow define VERY BAD.. how many KM/L only consider good for u? what about bad? what about very bad? lmaoThe car itself is not that bad. Engine is using old technology. Basic components are there to drive you around. FC is only mediocre. Very bad FC for city driving but good for highway driving. What entails good car? For some people, like me, that also includes the branding and after sales service. Anyone who owned a proton before will know what I am saying. Proton's servicing is one of the worst in the industry. However, like I already said, you pay for P you get P. You pay for H you get H. So it depends on your affordability and priority. |
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Nov 20 2010, 12:03 PM
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My close friend is driving a saga BLM and I get to drive it every now and then.
I drove it more than 1000km and spend reasonable hours in it. My comments are as follows- Saga BLM is a good car for its price. It is very cheap and it is quite a bargain because you can get a fairly big car plus more than enough headroom. In other words, it's a budget car. Having said that, i never fail to have leg cramp on a long journey due to the position of the pedal. For some reasons, the brake pedal is set too high for me. I have a sneo at home, surprisingly with my height, i feel more at home in my neo. I reckon the reason is that neo allows me to sit further to the back. As for the performance, i am driving the 1.3 AT. The car is extremely sluggish and quite a torture to drive. The auto tranny appears to be sleeping all the time and only starts working after .5 - 1sec after you step on the gas pedal. Handling wise, the car feels light and doesn't give me the confidence in high speed cornering, unlike the sneo. Mileage quite bad but that is subjective because i had to accelerate quite often to keep up with the road traffic (especially on the faster lanes). Bottomline is, Saga BLM is a good point A to B car for the price. But if you start comparing, to me, Saga BLM does not have any advantage over either toyota or honda (again, apart from the price). If you don't like slow car, try to stay away. |
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Nov 20 2010, 12:24 PM
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QUOTE(Zaypher @ Nov 20 2010, 12:03 PM) My close friend is driving a saga BLM and I get to drive it every now and then. u r basically comparing ur car with satria neo in term of performance and handling..I drove it more than 1000km and spend reasonable hours in it. My comments are as follows- Saga BLM is a good car for its price. It is very cheap and it is quite a bargain because you can get a fairly big car plus more than enough headroom. In other words, it's a budget car. Having said that, i never fail to have leg cramp on a long journey due to the position of the pedal. For some reasons, the brake pedal is set too high for me. I have a sneo at home, surprisingly with my height, i feel more at home in my neo. I reckon the reason is that neo allows me to sit further to the back. As for the performance, i am driving the 1.3 AT. The car is extremely sluggish and quite a torture to drive. The auto tranny appears to be sleeping all the time and only starts working after .5 - 1sec after you step on the gas pedal. Handling wise, the car feels light and doesn't give me the confidence in high speed cornering, unlike the sneo. Mileage quite bad but that is subjective because i had to accelerate quite often to keep up with the road traffic (especially on the faster lanes). Bottomline is, Saga BLM is a good point A to B car for the price. But if you start comparing, to me, Saga BLM does not have any advantage over either toyota or honda (again, apart from the price). If you don't like slow car, try to stay away. try comparing with city or vios whereby they are both same size, same shocks setup (front mcpherson, rear torsion beam) as well as a sedan |
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Nov 20 2010, 12:28 PM
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In a Nutshell,THE Blm is a "CHEAP " car if there is no Myvi around.Why? Cause with Myvi around it,it makes the Proton looks rubbish especially since you are paying aroung RM 35k ++ for a 100% Msian made car.Why not top up a lil ,get a Myvi at least it has some Jap DNA in it .And you wont regret if you get the SE version.
Much better ,more reliable,lower running costs in the long run,cheaper spare parts,100X better service centre compared to Proton SC,pickup and driving around the CITY is a breeze. Think about it,and you would come to a conclusion that the BLM is not as CHEAP as you think it is. |
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Nov 20 2010, 12:45 PM
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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Nov 20 2010, 12:24 PM) u r basically comparing ur car with satria neo in term of performance and handling.. i didn't really compare both neo and blm. I'm merely sharing my personal comments on BLM.try comparing with city or vios whereby they are both same size, same shocks setup (front mcpherson, rear torsion beam) as well as a sedan I can't compare city or vios as i don't drive them long enough and/or merely a passenger. |
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Nov 20 2010, 12:49 PM
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myvi also 100% msian made car with no Jap DNA in it. Don't kid yourself kevin. even the japanese laugh at people like you.
exaggeration is complete proof why no one should take you seriously in this topic. i drive both a myvi and a saga blm. do you? the only difference is myvi is good in the city and saga on the highways. handling overall, saga triumphs hands down. the ABS on the myvi almost doesn't exist and cornering is sloppy and unstable. the saga has the same vibration levels at 140kph as a myvi at 80kph. FACT. on my experience from stories i'd also rather not be in a myvi when a crash happens. This post has been edited by flag: Nov 20 2010, 12:50 PM |
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QUOTE(Zaypher @ Nov 20 2010, 12:03 PM) My close friend is driving a saga BLM and I get to drive it every now and then. U r definitely correct on this one, it's a torture to drive, at first it seems ok for the underpowered part because of town driving, but when go for long distances or go up a hill, u'll regret driving it. and the build quality is one of the worst, the car got squeaking sounds everywhere, just after 3 months! I've got the 1.3 auto full spec which cost RM37k, it's darn expensive if u ask me. and the response time for the auto gearbox is just pathetic, full throttle for almost 2 second then only got response. and don't let me mention the brakes.......again.........and the stupidly high FC, full tank (to the max) go up cameron highlands 1 and a half trips only the fuel tank kosong, can barely make it to the nearest petrol station in brinchang. RM60 can only go 240km, it's worst than my RB20det which can go a full 2 trips for RM60 if i drive smoothly (in the BLM no one can drive smoothly because it's so underpowered)I drove it more than 1000km and spend reasonable hours in it. My comments are as follows- Saga BLM is a good car for its price. It is very cheap and it is quite a bargain because you can get a fairly big car plus more than enough headroom. In other words, it's a budget car. Having said that, i never fail to have leg cramp on a long journey due to the position of the pedal. For some reasons, the brake pedal is set too high for me. I have a sneo at home, surprisingly with my height, i feel more at home in my neo. I reckon the reason is that neo allows me to sit further to the back. As for the performance, i am driving the 1.3 AT. The car is extremely sluggish and quite a torture to drive. The auto tranny appears to be sleeping all the time and only starts working after .5 - 1sec after you step on the gas pedal. Handling wise, the car feels light and doesn't give me the confidence in high speed cornering, unlike the sneo. Mileage quite bad but that is subjective because i had to accelerate quite often to keep up with the road traffic (especially on the faster lanes). Bottomline is, Saga BLM is a good point A to B car for the price. But if you start comparing, to me, Saga BLM does not have any advantage over either toyota or honda (again, apart from the price). If you don't like slow car, try to stay away. bottom line is, use it ONLY for town driving and if u don't like to drive fast, or else don't even think about it. QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 20 2010, 12:28 PM) In a Nutshell,THE Blm is a "CHEAP " car if there is no Myvi around.Why? Cause with Myvi around it,it makes the Proton looks rubbish especially since you are paying aroung RM 35k ++ for a 100% Msian made car.Why not top up a lil ,get a Myvi at least it has some Jap DNA in it .And you wont regret if you get the SE version. Myvi is totally overated, and it's not 'cheap' either for a car that has no boot. but i know this is malaysia, there's not much choices when u r looking at cars around this kind of price tag, except if u buy 2nd hand, which u can get 2 hands full of choices (great choices if i might add)Much better ,more reliable,lower running costs in the long run,cheaper spare parts,100X better service centre compared to Proton SC,pickup and driving around the CITY is a breeze. Think about it,and you would come to a conclusion that the BLM is not as CHEAP as you think it is. and u r saying MYVI has some jap DNA in it, i'll agree with u for a bit, but i'll need to correct u: MYVI has some VERY OUTDATED jap DNA in it...... This post has been edited by stormlcc: Nov 20 2010, 12:55 PM |
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Nov 20 2010, 01:08 PM
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Nov 20 2010, 12:50 PM) U r definitely correct on this one, it's a torture to drive, at first it seems ok for the underpowered part because of town driving, but when go for long distances or go up a hill, u'll regret driving it. and the build quality is one of the worst, the car got squeaking sounds everywhere, just after 3 months! I've got the 1.3 auto full spec which cost RM37k, it's darn expensive if u ask me. and the response time for the auto gearbox is just pathetic, full throttle for almost 2 second then only got response. and don't let me mention the brakes.......again.........and the stupidly high FC, full tank (to the max) go up cameron highlands 1 and a half trips only the fuel tank kosong, can barely make it to the nearest petrol station in brinchang. RM60 can only go 240km, it's worst than my RB20det which can go a full 2 trips for RM60 if i drive smoothly (in the BLM no one can drive smoothly because it's so underpowered) thanks, i'm speaking from personal experience. Actually, my friend's BLM is mainly city driving and even that is a toture to me. Sometimes, i feel thankful because i don't need to drive it too often. YOu nail it on the spot, no one can drive smoothly with the BLM. you just have to floor it to keep up, which means, you will be spending a lot of time reving it above 4k rpm to just keep up with the flow of traffic. But then, my friend is happy with it. I think you need to be someone like my friend to find it 'ok' with saga. bottom line is, use it ONLY for town driving and if u don't like to drive fast, or else don't even think about it. Myvi is totally overated, and it's not 'cheap' either for a car that has no boot. but i know this is malaysia, there's not much choices when u r looking at cars around this kind of price tag, except if u buy 2nd hand, which u can get 2 hands full of choices (great choices if i might add) and u r saying MYVI has some jap DNA in it, i'll agree with u for a bit, but i'll need to correct u: MYVI has some VERY OUTDATED jap DNA in it...... Speaking of myvi, i just don't understand that car. RM 50k + for a 1.3 with crappy handling. I don't understand la. |
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QUOTE(Zaypher @ Nov 20 2010, 01:08 PM) thanks, i'm speaking from personal experience. Actually, my friend's BLM is mainly city driving and even that is a toture to me. Sometimes, i feel thankful because i don't need to drive it too often. YOu nail it on the spot, no one can drive smoothly with the BLM. you just have to floor it to keep up, which means, you will be spending a lot of time reving it above 4k rpm to just keep up with the flow of traffic. But then, my friend is happy with it. I think you need to be someone like my friend to find it 'ok' with saga. You only cover half of the story, don forget there is manual variant for BLM. I don't rev my manual BLM more than 3k to keep up with the flow of traffic. Ppl expect too much on 1.3 engine with auto tranny, and they bought and complain BLM is sucks, but they forgot for 1.3 with considering heavy body, manual is the proper choice rather than auto. Speaking of myvi, i just don't understand that car. RM 50k + for a 1.3 with crappy handling. I don't understand la. Speaking about Myvi as well, i rather go for B-line Persona for <RM50k for larger cabin and alot better handling. For TS u should considering Persona as well, even B-line is good enuf. This post has been edited by coolkwc: Nov 20 2010, 01:24 PM |
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Nov 20 2010, 01:34 PM
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QUOTE(Zaypher @ Nov 20 2010, 01:08 PM) thanks, i'm speaking from personal experience. Actually, my friend's BLM is mainly city driving and even that is a toture to me. Sometimes, i feel thankful because i don't need to drive it too often. YOu nail it on the spot, no one can drive smoothly with the BLM. you just have to floor it to keep up, which means, you will be spending a lot of time reving it above 4k rpm to just keep up with the flow of traffic. But then, my friend is happy with it. I think you need to be someone like my friend to find it 'ok' with saga. hmmm, then mind to give some example of a 'good' cars below 50k? sometimes for a fresh grad like me when it comes to purchasing a car its really a headache as there is not much choice out there with low budget.Speaking of myvi, i just don't understand that car. RM 50k + for a 1.3 with crappy handling. I don't understand la. btw, for ppl commented that saga is a bad city car, does that apply to manual saga as well? i have sat few times in my fren manual saga. i feel it is quite fast and comfortable. |
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Nov 20 2010, 01:41 PM
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QUOTE(flag @ Nov 20 2010, 12:49 PM) myvi also 100% msian made car with no Jap DNA in it. Don't kid yourself kevin. even the japanese laugh at people like you. U are a joke, myvi vibrate at 80km/h? I drove a myvi se before i m driving this nhc. Smooth n stable up to 150km/h.. Dont bull me.. And it has jap dna in it. Go read up kiddo. exaggeration is complete proof why no one should take you seriously in this topic. i drive both a myvi and a saga blm. do you? the only difference is myvi is good in the city and saga on the highways. handling overall, saga triumphs hands down. the ABS on the myvi almost doesn't exist and cornering is sloppy and unstable. the saga has the same vibration levels at 140kph as a myvi at 80kph. FACT. on my experience from stories i'd also rather not be in a myvi when a crash happens. QUOTE(stormlcc @ Nov 20 2010, 12:50 PM) U r definitely correct on this one, it's a torture to drive, at first it seems ok for the underpowered part because of town driving, but when go for long distances or go up a hill, u'll regret driving it. and the build quality is one of the worst, the car got squeaking sounds everywhere, just after 3 months! I've got the 1.3 auto full spec which cost RM37k, it's darn expensive if u ask me. and the response time for the auto gearbox is just pathetic, full throttle for almost 2 second then only got response. and don't let me mention the brakes.......again.........and the stupidly high FC, full tank (to the max) go up cameron highlands 1 and a half trips only the fuel tank kosong, can barely make it to the nearest petrol station in brinchang. RM60 can only go 240km, it's worst than my RB20det which can go a full 2 trips for RM60 if i drive smoothly (in the BLM no one can drive smoothly because it's so underpowered) bottom line is, use it ONLY for town driving and if u don't like to drive fast, or else don't even think about it. Myvi is totally overated, and it's not 'cheap' either for a car that has no boot. but i know this is malaysia, there's not much choices when u r looking at cars around this kind of price tag, except if u buy 2nd hand, which u can get 2 hands full of choices (great choices if i might add) and u r saying MYVI has some jap DNA in it, i'll agree with u for a bit, but i'll need to correct u: MYVI has some VERY OUTDATED jap DNA in it...... Added on November 20, 2010, 1:43 pm QUOTE(stormlcc @ Nov 20 2010, 12:50 PM) U r definitely correct on this one, it's a torture to drive, at first it seems ok for the underpowered part because of town driving, but when go for long distances or go up a hill, u'll regret driving it. and the build quality is one of the worst, the car got squeaking sounds everywhere, just after 3 months! I've got the 1.3 auto full spec which cost RM37k, it's darn expensive if u ask me. and the response time for the auto gearbox is just pathetic, full throttle for almost 2 second then only got response. and don't let me mention the brakes.......again.........and the stupidly high FC, full tank (to the max) go up cameron highlands 1 and a half trips only the fuel tank kosong, can barely make it to the nearest petrol station in brinchang. RM60 can only go 240km, it's worst than my RB20det which can go a full 2 trips for RM60 if i drive smoothly (in the BLM no one can drive smoothly because it's so underpowered) Yes outdatef jap tech is still 100x times better than Latest Msian tech! Sorry to burst ur bubble, thts a factfbottom line is, use it ONLY for town driving and if u don't like to drive fast, or else don't even think about it. Myvi is totally overated, and it's not 'cheap' either for a car that has no boot. but i know this is malaysia, there's not much choices when u r looking at cars around this kind of price tag, except if u buy 2nd hand, which u can get 2 hands full of choices (great choices if i might add) and u r saying MYVI has some jap DNA in it, i'll agree with u for a bit, but i'll need to correct u: MYVI has some VERY OUTDATED jap DNA in it...... This post has been edited by kevin23: Nov 20 2010, 01:43 PM |
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myvi start to vibrate at 130km/h this is a fact face by alot of driver.just go for a race with a blm,we will see whose the champ in cornering & highspeed
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 20 2010, 01:41 PM) U are a joke, myvi vibrate at 80km/h? I drove a myvi se before i m driving this nhc. Smooth n stable up to 150km/h.. Dont bull me.. And it has jap dna in it. Go read up kiddo. dude BLM not as bad as u thought, the car simply deliver what u would expect for a RM35k car, nothing more nothing less. Few of my friends who driving saga BLM have got no complaint whatsoever as the car just drive fairly well. Yes underpower 1.3L BUT i seriously think that without saga's existence will u put ur money to a viva? given same amount of money? for even lower CC and fragile car structure?Added on November 20, 2010, 1:43 pm Yes outdatef jap tech is still 100x times better than Latest Msian tech! Sorry to burst ur bubble, thts a factf |
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QUOTE(ahshuy @ Nov 20 2010, 02:37 PM) dude BLM not as bad as u thought, the car simply deliver what u would expect for a RM35k car, nothing more nothing less. Few of my friends who driving saga BLM have got no complaint whatsoever as the car just drive fairly well. Yes underpower 1.3L BUT i seriously think that without saga's existence will u put ur money to a viva? given same amount of money? for even lower CC and fragile car structure? you are correct..at that price pls do not aspect too much, viva is over price for its size..not satisfied with blm,u may try persona..another great car at its price not good enough,go for inspira not 100% jap DNA after some tweak by proton engineer,but it will surely tarpau any vios,city on road |
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sit in my friend saga blm before and drive it, even in manual transmission its pick up also very slow and have to keep it above 3.5k rpm only you can feel the power. cabin insulation also quite good for his price and feel more solid than myvi. engine noise quite strong from outside. not very fuel efficient car compare to other car even car with larger cc better than it.
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When you have more load in the car. Don't expect a small engine to produce the same amount of acceleration as a no load car. If you ask me blm is much agile in terms of acceleration as compared with a waja w/ torque dip.
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QUOTE(Vervain @ Nov 20 2010, 04:07 PM) When you have more load in the car. Don't expect a small engine to produce the same amount of acceleration as a no load car. If you ask me blm is much agile in terms of acceleration as compared with a waja w/ torque dip. u r comparing a an already rubbish car with a toxic waste that malaysia produced (at least some rubbish can be recycled), it isn't fair at all. plus, we are not talking about a super underpowered BLM with full load, just one or two person in the car, do u think that it'll effect the power and handling so much? if a BLM has a full load, with 4 passengers and a boot full of luggage, it won't even go up a slope.....well......i'm being exaggerating, it will go up a slop, if u use low gear, and ONLY low gear for auto.ppl who wants to order a MYVI, should see this and wait: http://paultan.org/2010/03/01/new-perodua-...-liter-version/ ppl who just got their new MYVI: |
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Nov 20 2010, 07:27 PM
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seriously, is blm underpowered? im driving all my daily car of various displacement be it 1.3L Campro and vvt-i, 1.5L VTEC, 1.6L MIVEC, 2.0L i-VTEC, 3.0L VQ, and i still think the 1.3L CamPro is not as underpowered as what u all mentioned?
Issit because u all mod 9 9 or do implant on the standard engine then comparing directly to the stock standard engine? or im not as power-hunger as u all? |
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Nov 20 2010, 07:32 PM
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Proton <<<< go figure
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Nov 20 2010, 07:42 PM
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QUOTE(Frostlord @ Nov 20 2010, 07:32 PM) nope, sorry, i dont buy that..for me, brand is second, value is priority.. having said that, despite owning proton, perodua, toyota, honda and nissan, when i wana buy car and proton give the best deal, i will still get proton. FACT well, maybe u r telling me its the people mindset and perception.. and i truthfully agree with that |
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Nov 20 2010, 07:59 PM
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proton, the car manufacturer who after 20 years (+-) in business they still cant stand on their own leg
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Nov 20 2010, 08:02 PM
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Nov 20 2010, 08:13 PM
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nope, im only talking about making profit and does not need to rely on gov money to survive in current market
oh btw, does some of the car here looks familiar to you? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Lancer no, im not speaking about inspira Added on November 20, 2010, 8:31 pm QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Nov 20 2010, 08:02 PM) i thought they already created savvy, gen2/persona and exora on their own? why still cant stand? oh and dun worry, i wont talk about itand dont start about import tax thingy.. its getting dull we all know they cant survive without it. FACT This post has been edited by Frostlord: Nov 20 2010, 08:31 PM |
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 20 2010, 12:28 PM) In a Nutshell,THE Blm is a "CHEAP " car if there is no Myvi around.Why? Cause with Myvi around it,it makes the Proton looks rubbish especially since you are paying aroung RM 35k ++ for a 100% Msian made car.Why not top up a lil ,get a Myvi at least it has some Jap DNA in it .And you wont regret if you get the SE version. lol Much better ,more reliable,lower running costs in the long run,cheaper spare parts,100X better service centre compared to Proton SC,pickup and driving around the CITY is a breeze. Think about it,and you would come to a conclusion that the BLM is not as CHEAP as you think it is. pure proud with H Japanese person and mark rubbish to others. no wonder i see ur H over their also will a junk one day This post has been edited by dadurtyz: Nov 20 2010, 09:18 PM |
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@kevin
the way u think is wrong. y? let me give u an example lets take Honda City Basic which is around 85k i top up 5k, i get full spec Honda City. Sounds good? sure then i top up a bit more, i can get Jazz. With Jazz price, if i top up around 10k more, i can get Civic... the list never ends This post has been edited by Frostlord: Nov 20 2010, 10:09 PM |
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Nov 20 2010, 06:10 PM) u r comparing a an already rubbish car with a toxic waste that malaysia produced (at least some rubbish can be recycled), it isn't fair at all. plus, we are not talking about a super underpowered BLM with full load, just one or two person in the car, do u think that it'll effect the power and handling so much? if a BLM has a full load, with 4 passengers and a boot full of luggage, it won't even go up a slope.....well......i'm being exaggerating, it will go up a slop, if u use low gear, and ONLY low gear for auto. It's not as bad as you think. Looky here. Your underpower feel might not be the same as me. For me the real underpower car I've experience is an old auto Unser. Climbing up a slope would barely accelerate while folks from behind would honk the daylight out of me. ppl who wants to order a MYVI, should see this and wait: http://paultan.org/2010/03/01/new-perodua-...-liter-version/ ppl who just got their new MYVI: I've rode up my friends blm went we decide to go genting for a little luck. 5 people in the car, the vehicle will still climb without the need to lock on lower gears. But climbing speed is not blazing fast. It's not that bad as it seems. It's only when you're cruising and suddenly you need a surge of power to quickly get you line up in a upfront jam. |
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Nov 20 2010, 10:59 PM
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BLM is a better choice compared to the MyVi (dont mention the VaVi please)
Stronger chassis, bigger compartment. MyVi (or Perodua, for that matter) are overrated. I drive a Merc, Hilux, and 2 Honda`s.Used to drive a powerful Wira Mivec. My aunt own a BLM, so I really know how to compare all 6 car. Its a topoftheline manual (not sure which model) somehow I really dont feel that its underpowered? The car can still easily keep up at highway speed with Civic FD, Merc E230, and City. We even go up to Cameron, Genting, Bukit Tinggi (Berjaya Hills) without having to stop to wait for others and without having to crawl up at 60kmj. Only the Wira M sometimes have to wait for others.. Unless you are talking about racing speed, which is kinda stupid I will say with a cheap car like that. But nevertheless, there is a lot of stupid VaVi driver speeding at the car limit on highway trying to keep up with bigger car If you really want speed and power, work harder save more money, buy a bigger engined car. Even the City iVtec is not "powerful" for me. Its still a normal car for daily usage. For low budget driver, BLM definitely the best choice. |
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QUOTE(EyraYus @ Nov 20 2010, 10:59 PM) BLM is a better choice compared to the MyVi (dont mention the VaVi please) agreed. u can mod ur wira/waja/wiralution/wajalution all u want, but u still cant beat my porsheStronger chassis, bigger compartment. MyVi (or Perodua, for that matter) are overrated. I drive a Merc, Hilux, and 2 Honda`s.Used to drive a powerful Wira Mivec. My aunt own a BLM, so I really know how to compare all 6 car. Its a topoftheline manual (not sure which model) somehow I really dont feel that its underpowered? The car can still easily keep up at highway speed with Civic FD, Merc E230, and City. We even go up to Cameron, Genting, Bukit Tinggi (Berjaya Hills) without having to stop to wait for others and without having to crawl up at 60kmj. Only the Wira M sometimes have to wait for others.. Unless you are talking about racing speed, which is kinda stupid I will say with a cheap car like that. But nevertheless, there is a lot of stupid VaVi driver speeding at the car limit on highway trying to keep up with bigger car If you really want speed and power, work harder save more money, buy a bigger engined car. Even the City iVtec is not "powerful" for me. Its still a normal car for daily usage. For low budget driver, BLM definitely the best choice. IMHO, buying car is all about preferences. If u dun like the car, dun get it. its not a shirt where u can "dun wear it" if u dun like it. it costs thousands of dollars to buy a car and u will be using it for a long time. So if u buy a car that u do not like (i dun care how good that car is), u r not going to be happy. And u will suffer trying to maintain that car |
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QUOTE(Zaypher @ Nov 20 2010, 12:03 PM) My close friend is driving a saga BLM and I get to drive it every now and then. its damn true for the brake pedal part, why its so high?? I drove it more than 1000km and spend reasonable hours in it. My comments are as follows- Saga BLM is a good car for its price. It is very cheap and it is quite a bargain because you can get a fairly big car plus more than enough headroom. In other words, it's a budget car. Having said that, i never fail to have leg cramp on a long journey due to the position of the pedal. For some reasons, the brake pedal is set too high for me. I have a sneo at home, surprisingly with my height, i feel more at home in my neo. I reckon the reason is that neo allows me to sit further to the back. As for the performance, i am driving the 1.3 AT. The car is extremely sluggish and quite a torture to drive. The auto tranny appears to be sleeping all the time and only starts working after .5 - 1sec after you step on the gas pedal. Handling wise, the car feels light and doesn't give me the confidence in high speed cornering, unlike the sneo. Mileage quite bad but that is subjective because i had to accelerate quite often to keep up with the road traffic (especially on the faster lanes). Bottomline is, Saga BLM is a good point A to B car for the price. But if you start comparing, to me, Saga BLM does not have any advantage over either toyota or honda (again, apart from the price). If you don't like slow car, try to stay away. all cars is purpose for point A to B, am i right? and saga serve me wall for that. |
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QUOTE(Frostlord @ Nov 20 2010, 08:13 PM) nope, im only talking about making profit and does not need to rely on gov money to survive in current market did gov still inject money to keep proton alive? oh btw, does some of the car here looks familiar to you? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Lancer no, im not speaking about inspira Added on November 20, 2010, 8:31 pm oh and dun worry, i wont talk about it we all know they cant survive without it. FACT anyway, what if some familar like mirage asti, mirage cyborg, and old lancer mx same with wira and the geng? they are not the 1st to do so QUOTE(EyraYus @ Nov 20 2010, 10:59 PM) BLM is a better choice compared to the MyVi (dont mention the VaVi please) exactly and precisely of what i wanted to convey!Stronger chassis, bigger compartment. MyVi (or Perodua, for that matter) are overrated. I drive a Merc, Hilux, and 2 Honda`s.Used to drive a powerful Wira Mivec. My aunt own a BLM, so I really know how to compare all 6 car. Its a topoftheline manual (not sure which model) somehow I really dont feel that its underpowered? The car can still easily keep up at highway speed with Civic FD, Merc E230, and City. We even go up to Cameron, Genting, Bukit Tinggi (Berjaya Hills) without having to stop to wait for others and without having to crawl up at 60kmj. Only the Wira M sometimes have to wait for others.. Unless you are talking about racing speed, which is kinda stupid I will say with a cheap car like that. But nevertheless, there is a lot of stupid VaVi driver speeding at the car limit on highway trying to keep up with bigger car If you really want speed and power, work harder save more money, buy a bigger engined car. Even the City iVtec is not "powerful" for me. Its still a normal car for daily usage. For low budget driver, BLM definitely the best choice. thats my point, i've drove alot of cars daily and underpowered does not come into my mind when driving the saga blm at all considering its only 1.3L and it does what i expect it to do.. im really baffled how people can comment until this car power sooo damn bad LOL |
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Nov 21 2010, 03:07 AM
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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Nov 21 2010, 02:36 AM) did gov still inject money to keep proton alive? :hmmm: too bad i dont have any "public releasable proof" for thisanyway, what if some familar like mirage asti, mirage cyborg, and old lancer mx same with wira and the geng? they are not the 1st to do so exactly and precisely of what i wanted to convey! thats my point, i've drove alot of cars daily and underpowered does not come into my mind when driving the saga blm at all considering its only 1.3L and it does what i expect it to do.. im really baffled how people can comment until this car power sooo damn bad LOL just bear in mind that everything in the paper is not 100% true, esp the Star |
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Nov 21 2010, 03:18 AM
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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Nov 20 2010, 12:00 PM) thats invalid argument.. if like what u said, dont ever say xxx yyy zzz is bad etc coz u cant make a product better than them! That's not what i mean. He shouldn't judge the car just because it is made by PROTON. It depends on the owner him/herself. If you give the owner a Mercedes or a BMW but doesn't maintain or service it, do you think the car will be still good after some time? but hey, those reviewer cant make better cars and yet they still criticize! go flame them in magazines or even tv show! ps: i know what im saying now does not explain what i said earlier....because i was in chinese mode QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Nov 20 2010, 12:00 PM) thats invalid argument.. if like what u said, dont ever say xxx yyy zzz is bad etc coz u cant make a product better than them! Yes these people don't make cars but like you say, they review cars. They are professional and paid to find pros and cons of the car. I believe the amount of research and the amount of cars tested is more than anyone of us here. That's why not much people against Jeremy Clarkson when he criticize the car because he have already done his research and tested the car himself. MOST IMPORTANTLY HE DID NOT MENTION ANY CAR THAT WILL ONLY LAST FOR 6 MONTH! For kevin situation, i'm sure he doesn't own the car himself nor tested the car(maybe) and he is telling me the car is good for 6 month only. If it's true i'm sure the PROTON Saga BLM will extinct because after using it for 6 month, it will be going in to the potong shop.but hey, those reviewer cant make better cars and yet they still criticize! go flame them in magazines or even tv show! This post has been edited by SatriaCPS5368: Nov 21 2010, 05:07 AM |
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Nov 21 2010, 04:19 AM
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QUOTE(SatriaCPS5368 @ Nov 21 2010, 03:18 AM) If it's true i'm sure there is PROTON Saga BLM will extinct because after using it for 6 month it will be going in to the potong shop. Yet there is still hell lot of BLM out there going strong since the launching. Even my aunt BLM are not taken care of properly (old folks..they only know how to drive..what is engine oil?) are still going strong.Haters gonna hate, really. |
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Nov 21 2010, 12:53 PM
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My colleague thrash his BLM since the day he got the car. No brain ah beng who thought installing sky high spoiler will make the car go faster.. hahaha...
His ah beng mindset makes me scare to have a ride with he driving his car. lol.. And after 1 year ++ his mighty whitey BLM still going strong. But once having problem with IAFM. That's the only problem I've ever heard of from him. |
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Nov 21 2010, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE(Frostlord @ Nov 20 2010, 07:59 PM) proton, the car manufacturer who after 20 years (+-) in business they still cant stand on their own leg H is 51yrs, T is more than that..so u want a 25yrs car manufacturer to reach those standard? can you do that if you are given a chance? question back yourself,can you in 25yrs have a same standard with H & T? |
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Nov 21 2010, 09:02 PM
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Saga BLM is a good car.
It won't breakdown like some ppl say. As long as u bring it for constant servicing with the good mechanic the car is fine. All those breakdown bullsh.t is because those noob driver nvr maintain their car. This post has been edited by heavenly91: Nov 21 2010, 09:03 PM |
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Nov 21 2010, 10:32 PM
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QUOTE(Frostlord @ Nov 20 2010, 10:05 PM) @kevin ZOMG,this is one of the most ridicolous statement i hv ever heard.the way u think is wrong. y? let me give u an example lets take Honda City Basic which is around 85k i top up 5k, i get full spec Honda City. Sounds good? sure then i top up a bit more, i can get Jazz. With Jazz price, if i top up around 10k more, i can get Civic... the list never ends Of course you need to set your budget.How much you are willing to pay for a car,what is the MAXIMUM price you are willing to pay for a car. This is basic lah,dude.If your theory is true,then why dont I get a Ferrari then .My goodness.Pls think before you write. WhaT i meant is ,why dont you top up extra get a Good Jap DNA car that last long than pay RM 30+k for a piece of junk that you know you will change in a few years time? Sometimes,going for the cheapest car doesnt pay off. BLM is seriously rubbish.Sat in it before,maybe the only good thing is that its body is solid.Thats all thats good about it. Thats why Myvi is still selling by the bucketloads even though its more expensive than BLM. Ppl know how to see the value in it.Perodua copy Passo which is Jap and it sold by the bucketloads. Now Proton copy Mitsu cuz they see P2 so successful. After 25 freaking years,with full gment support ,this is the rubbish that its giving back to the nation.Pathetic. |
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Nov 21 2010, 10:36 PM
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 21 2010, 10:32 PM) ZOMG,this is one of the most ridicolous statement i hv ever heard. lets say BLM doesnt even exist in this world, what choices do u have? for 30k++?Of course you need to set your budget.How much you are willing to pay for a car,what is the MAXIMUM price you are willing to pay for a car. This is basic lah,dude.If your theory is true,then why dont I get a Ferrari then .My goodness.Pls think before you write. WhaT i meant is ,why dont you top up extra get a Good Jap DNA car that last long than pay RM 30+k for a piece of junk that you know you will change in a few years time? Sometimes,going for the cheapest car doesnt pay off. BLM is seriously rubbish.Sat in it before,maybe the only good thing is that its body is solid.Thats all thats good about it. Thats why Myvi is still selling by the bucketloads even though its more expensive than BLM. Ppl know how to see the value in it.Perodua copy Passo which is Jap and it sold by the bucketloads. Now Proton copy Mitsu cuz they see P2 so successful. After 25 freaking years,with full gment support ,this is the rubbish that its giving back to the nation.Pathetic. |
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Nov 21 2010, 10:37 PM
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dn nd explain further la.
kevin23 shld jz migrate to japan.i bet he'll cum thr |
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Nov 21 2010, 10:37 PM
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QUOTE(heavenly91 @ Nov 21 2010, 09:02 PM) Saga BLM is a good car. Some cars no matter how good you maintain them ,they still have problems.It won't breakdown like some ppl say. As long as u bring it for constant servicing with the good mechanic the car is fine. All those breakdown bullsh.t is because those noob driver nvr maintain their car. My sis using BLM.She is doing sales so she travel alot around Msia.Service as per Proton manual. 1st day get the car,central alarm rosak.Cannot lock door. Within the 1st month,radiator leak. So now your gonna say ,my sis unlucky right? Rubbish car is rubbish car. She had enough, sold it off at a dirt cheap price.Lost quite a sum.Bought a Myvi and is happily driving it around without a single PROBLEM! Clocked 35700 kms already.Not a single problem. Added on November 21, 2010, 10:39 pm QUOTE(ahshuy @ Nov 21 2010, 10:36 PM) LOL,I wanna ask you .Are you paying cash RM 30k for your car no right? You take bank loan right unless you are some rich a$$ buy car pay cash.So whats the problem buy a Myvi at RM 40k + .Just take bank loan .The installment is not a huge difference.And it makes more sense! QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Nov 21 2010, 10:37 PM) Who cares what you think.Your comment hardly hurts me.This post has been edited by kevin23: Nov 21 2010, 10:39 PM |
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Nov 21 2010, 10:41 PM
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Nov 19 2010, 11:11 PM) Some ppl is truly unfortunate one, breakdown after breakdown after 6 months, maybe the world's unlucky BLM user. you got me..mine broke down on the 1st few mins on the road...and for 6 more times before they managed to fix the problem...now already 2 and half years....ok lar..just a bit underpower ..and some "squekkyyyy" sound here and there.... cheapest sedan mar.. |
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Nov 21 2010, 10:43 PM
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QUOTE(raywong81 @ Nov 21 2010, 10:41 PM) you got me..mine broke down on the 1st few mins on the road...and for 6 more times before they managed to fix the problem...now already 2 and half years....ok lar..just a bit underpower ..and some "squekkyyyy" sound here and there.... cheapest sedan mar.. Yea my sis radiator leak within the 1st month.Such a stupid car.But glad ur BLM no more additional problems now. |
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Nov 21 2010, 10:55 PM
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Nov 21 2010, 10:37 PM) LOL,I wanna ask you .Are you paying cash RM 30k for your car no right? You take bank loan right unless you are some rich a$$ buy car pay cash. Maybe few hundred installment per month is nothing to u, but it does hurt alot to certain people.So whats the problem buy a Myvi at RM 40k + .Just take bank loan .The installment is not a huge difference.And it makes more sense! presumably that u're budget constraint, and u have so many installments need to pay, u seriously need boot space to ferry ur stuffs, u need economical and affordable car to use. Out of so many cars, what choices do u have? BLM is designed to be met the most basic needs for all people, it delivers what u would expect for a 30k car; my family have been owning proton for >15years yet it serves us till now. Some of my friends who drives BLM have not problem whatsoever as to date. Why u think BLM is such a bad car? Ur past bad experience doesnt justify for the entire users' experience, probably ur sister is being unlucky and got a lemon BLM instead. |
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Nov 21 2010, 11:23 PM
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Saga BLM is a good car, worth for money. Been use saga blm since March 2008 until now mileage clocked 56k+ KM .. no any major problem , jz normal service only.
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Nov 22 2010, 12:55 AM
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « How could you compare Myvi and BLM when they both are from the different segment? Its like comparing a cow and a mouse. People choose Myvi because it is compact car and easy to slot into the car parks. When they 1st stated rebadging cars from Mitsubishi, You people says copy cat this and that. Then they decided to make their own car on their own, then you say problematic this and that. Now rebadge the Lancer GT and you complain copy cat again. What the hell you want them to do? » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Correction. Instead of saying that she's unluckly, I would say she's effing luckly. Out of so many people who brought the saga blm, she is the 1st 1 who encounter so much problem on the car. Its like striking a lottery. She should be proud of it. |
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Nov 22 2010, 03:51 AM
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Haih.. If proton never existed the goverment wont imply tax on foreign car and all this bullshit will stop happening.. we'll be happily using foreign cars now.. i think after i die Proton still will always be the underdog in the CarWorld.. tsk tsk
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Nov 22 2010, 01:38 PM
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so where do the tax money come from? Remember auto tax is one of the biggest income for the G.
so I'm happy that the tax money come from car which I buy once every 5 yrs. Not from income tax that I pay every year, or for fuel which I have to pay every week. So good to have Proton, P2 and Naza around, selling cars for ppl who just want to pay 50% of the auto tax. |
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Nov 22 2010, 04:30 PM
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drove an 1.3 auto -- my only question is;
WHAT DID THEY USE AS ITS ENGINE?? DONKEY?? overall, everything's okay. oh, except for the latest breakdown. no ignition at all. pity my auntie. |
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Nov 22 2010, 08:41 PM
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Donkey?
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Nov 22 2010, 08:48 PM
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I was thinking of buying one also. The only thing that is keeping me from buying it is the bad fuel economy. I think the body is much better than the Wira. In fact since Gen 2 the metal quality has improved. U don't see the familiar mini dents on the doors anymore. The only thing keeping me from buying it is the bad fuel economy. This is a confirmed fact. But its the cheapest sedan available now. If no money, definitely could take a look at this.
Even the almighty Myvi suffers from some niggles. Like mysterious squeaks under the dash, faulty DV player after a year, bad rear door hydraulic supports and some more. But people still buy them because its cheap to run. So long u keep the service schedule prompt and not add a lot of silly electronics in it. |
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Nov 22 2010, 09:47 PM
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Is it very high on fuel consumption?
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Nov 23 2010, 02:30 AM
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QUOTE(XeonBox @ Nov 22 2010, 09:47 PM) Inheritage the same flaws as any normal DOHC configuration engine without Variable Timing Valve opening technology (VTEC, CVT, CVTi, VVT, CPS) .. only gain power @ high RPM.The IAFM technology only helps a bit to eliminate the torque Dip as the 1st gen campro engine suffer but does not help on the FC, In other words.. if you want to maximize the fuel consumed = power of SAGA, you must drive @ high RPM most of the time.. And better to choose manual, since you can play around with the RPM Note : IAFM tech its not a new thing in the market.. before my 1985 Ford BD Laser TX3 already using this technology mated with 1.6 N/A DOHC configuration engine This post has been edited by ajaibman: Nov 23 2010, 02:32 AM |
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Nov 23 2010, 08:51 AM
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QUOTE(Ryurox2020 @ Nov 22 2010, 03:51 AM) Haih.. If proton never existed the goverment wont imply tax on foreign car and all this bullshit will stop happening.. we'll be happily using foreign cars now.. i think after i die Proton still will always be the underdog in the CarWorld.. tsk tsk are u dreaming? which country wont imply import tax on foreign car? wake up dudeQUOTE(ajaibman @ Nov 23 2010, 02:30 AM) Inheritage the same flaws as any normal DOHC configuration engine without Variable Timing Valve opening technology (VTEC, CVT, CVTi, VVT, CPS) .. only gain power @ high RPM. even the vvt is not new.. but the latest tech implement them to works better, just like the IAFM technology.The IAFM technology only helps a bit to eliminate the torque Dip as the 1st gen campro engine suffer but does not help on the FC, In other words.. if you want to maximize the fuel consumed = power of SAGA, you must drive @ high RPM most of the time.. And better to choose manual, since you can play around with the RPM Note : IAFM tech its not a new thing in the market.. before my 1985 Ford BD Laser TX3 already using this technology mated with 1.6 N/A DOHC configuration engine |
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Nov 23 2010, 09:39 PM
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so IAFM is good?
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Nov 24 2010, 12:59 AM
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good in someway but not good enough for campro 1.3..
even the honda R20A i-VTEC also implement dual runner intake manifold similar to iafm |
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Nov 24 2010, 09:09 PM
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Some more any other information?
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Nov 25 2010, 06:06 AM
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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Nov 23 2010, 08:51 AM) are u dreaming? which country wont imply import tax on foreign car? wake up dude LOL! do you know how effing high the imported tax on foreign car in malaysia compare to other contries?even the vvt is not new.. but the latest tech implement them to works better, just like the IAFM technology. you need to WAKE UP or should i say read? rofl |
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Nov 25 2010, 06:26 AM
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Proton Inspira is a good car because it is NOT developed by Proton
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Nov 25 2010, 08:54 AM
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QUOTE(Decent chap @ Nov 25 2010, 12:42 AM) Saga BLM weakness: tell me which B-Segment car isnt like that?- Very fuel consumptious in traffic jams only. - Not good for fat people. If got 2 fat people in front, confirm the driver's hand will touch the front passenger's hand. - If your family got 5 fat people (70kg), the car can barely move. Trust me. heck, even vios and city also will QUOTE(Ryurox2020 @ Nov 25 2010, 06:06 AM) LOL! do you know how effing high the imported tax on foreign car in malaysia compare to other contries? like i care. Buy if u can afford, cant afford enjoy ur perodua/proton. case closeyou need to WAKE UP or should i say read? rofl u cant do shit about that.. yes, not even an effin little shit u can do about that face the fact and stop complaining like 5 years old Added on November 25, 2010, 9:01 am QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 25 2010, 08:54 AM) But Since it's re badge by Proton, it automatically becomes no good. oh really? numerous reviewer who claimed them self as "neutral" said inspira had better handling etc than lancer..looks ugly straight away and lost all appeal. well, malaysian are seriously brand concious This post has been edited by imperialrealcs: Nov 25 2010, 09:01 AM |
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Nov 25 2010, 09:01 AM
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i also wanna share, SAGA BLM(SE version) is also in my list...
i really love it, and book it... I love that car, BUT!!!! problem is, i've waited 2 mths for it(promised from SA) but didn't delivered his word. after 2 mths from the day i book, i go ask him, he said nid wait another 2 months, coz proton factory got watever bla bla bla from him...excuses excuses excuses...when i go ask main proton dealer, he said SE version need wait at least 4 months. so, i cancel the booking, full refund and go for Forte(which juz 2 weeks i get the car).. Saga BLM is a very good car, mainly i love it coz of the comfort, compact, big boot, audio also not bad(SE version), leather seats(red and black..my fav)...engine wise, auto...although power and pickup not dat good, but i still like it...a basic city car... go for it, B/M line...SE is worth to wait(only if the SA tell me the truth) i hate SA that lies here and there |
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mine is BLM N-Line (black bumper, white body, the LOWEST trim of saga).. actually i applied for M-Line but i need a car so badly coz i juz had a new born (my old car rosak coz langgar anjing)... i take any model in their stock so i got N-Line and they return the remaining balance to me...
my fc is RM50 - 260km (city) and RM50 - 340km (highway) i never drive below 3k... if clear street owez wanna go above 120km/h... max speed i've done 160km/h (that time i say babai to honda city)... mind u guys here in kuching we hav no highway... not that shitty FC, for a shitty driver like me who always floor the pedal, the FC is considered good... i think 1.3 campro iafm is for harsh driving, not city or jiwang drive... my sister and my besfren both owned a 1.3 myvi... both white... i owez drive both - in term of stability, blm win.. myvi havent reach 100 the car alrdy wobbly... - accelaration myvi win from 0 - 70/80... starting from 80 blm wil say babai to myvi... - body build (make-up, assembly quality) myvi is slightly better than blm.. that part perodua > proton... if u like "keamanan" while driving, myvi engine is really silent... i cant hear the engine sound from inside the car while idling... for a revving heart, blm is the choice.. sound better if the iafm kick in... campro engine is noisy... sound insulation, BLM is very bad... spend few hundreds to improve the insulation... i've driven blm for a year now and no prob... my fren's blm alrdy 3rd year, no prob also... only the battery, 1st batch hav prob with that, replaced by sc for free and he smiling until now... dun miss the service and the car wont let u down... but no one knows the dark spell of the potong will kena u... random problem occur to unlucky user... This post has been edited by omara86: Nov 25 2010, 11:25 AM |
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makan minyak...ard 20c/km...
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Nov 25 2010, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE(XionCity @ Nov 25 2010, 09:10 AM) i also wanna share, SAGA BLM(SE version) is also in my list... that's y i change the trim... waited so long so i change to any available... 2 days after i request for change, i got the car...i really love it, and book it... I love that car, BUT!!!! problem is, i've waited 2 mths for it(promised from SA) but didn't delivered his word. after 2 mths from the day i book, i go ask him, he said nid wait another 2 months, coz proton factory got watever bla bla bla from him...excuses excuses excuses...when i go ask main proton dealer, he said SE version need wait at least 4 months. so, i cancel the booking, full refund and go for Forte(which juz 2 weeks i get the car).. Saga BLM is a very good car, mainly i love it coz of the comfort, compact, big boot, audio also not bad(SE version), leather seats(red and black..my fav)...engine wise, auto...although power and pickup not dat good, but i still like it...a basic city car... go for it, B/M line...SE is worth to wait(only if the SA tell me the truth) i hate SA that lies here and there |
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Nov 25 2010, 12:54 PM
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Nov 26 2010, 10:01 PM
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Very noisy for BLM inside the car?
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Nov 26 2010, 10:41 PM
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I am still driving this car after 2 and half years. No problem so far. Auto car. Fuel usage a bit high but why care so much about it since you are paying for that price for that car. If you want a fuel saving car. Myself you get a City or Viva. I have no regrets so far.
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QUOTE(XeonBox @ Nov 26 2010, 10:01 PM) After been driving a noisier car before this, the BLM seems on par. I can live with it, but at times you wish its quieter on highways. Solution: turn on the radio or do some soundproofing. Road noise is an issue too. If compare to a myvi, myvi is much quieter. But the BLM offers a better package compared to the myvi, but with quality issues (depends on luck though). |
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BLM is comparable/ same class with the new city and the new vios. In term of pick up, BLM SE (M) take lead to 120kph, then you can see vios coming and follow by the new city. Probably BLM has a light body. Interior wise, i can say is acceptable and normal only, it's more roomy for passenger and has all the basic things for daily drive. Its price at less than 40k somemore. I encourage those fresh grade to consider the car.
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Nov 27 2010, 10:18 PM
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Junior Member
185 posts Joined: Mar 2007 |
Good Car? Answer: No
Base on 1.3L Car BLM SE MANUAL Pros: 1. Good Aircon. Powerful even at idling. 2. Good reliability even with abusive driving. (For me) The So-So 1. Okay Stereo. Powerful but not clear. The Bad. 1. Horrid understeer. 10KMH slower than Standard Wira when taking corners. (Hear the tires screaming for mercy). I can't believe people say this car neutral. O_O 2. Poor powerband when lower than 3000RPM. 3. Not so fuel economy. 4. Poor throttle respond(Laggy). Have 0.5 second delay when pressing and releasing fuel. (You can try stabbing the throttle quickly) 5. Signal Stalk on the left side. Hassle when change gear and signaling. 6. Hate the "lorry like" manual gear shift. Feels deep, mushy. Top Speed flat out : 165 KMH Final Verdict : Would rather buy a second hand Wira and throw RM20k to upgrade/refurbish. This post has been edited by LittleBro: Nov 27 2010, 10:20 PM |
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Nov 27 2010, 10:37 PM
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Junior Member
26 posts Joined: Feb 2010 |
Waiting for new Myvi (April 2011) to compare. Maybe got CVT gearbox.. XD
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Nov 28 2010, 08:09 PM
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Senior Member
721 posts Joined: Apr 2009 From: Malaysia |
If drive SAGA for more then 800KM .. Johor to Penang... How would it be? I personally dun quite like Wira as its engine also dun really fuel efficency.. and its accesory very weak.. new car @ 3 to 6 mths can got alot noisy sound.
Added on August 12, 2012, 8:21 pmHas been buy this Proton BLM, well not too bad but i think also not too good. The Absorber seem spoil with the original tyres Silverstone. >.< Take about 18 months and millege 33K KM This post has been edited by XeonBox: Aug 12 2012, 08:21 PM |
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Aug 12 2012, 08:22 PM
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Senior Member
721 posts Joined: Apr 2009 From: Malaysia |
pmHas been buy this Proton BLM, well not too bad but i think also not too good.
The Absorber seem spoil with the original tyres Silverstone. >.< Take about 18 months and millege 33K KM |
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