Well,imo price talks.At the same price range an E-IPS panel display is better than a premium/midrange TN panel with it's better colour reproduction and viewing angles but loses out on response time .
If an E-IPS panel display is crap,by the same logic nearly all TN panel LCD are crappier.


300PPI ?IINM no such computer display exists as the most dense display is a 27" 2560x1440 LCD which has a PPI of 108.79.

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Added on December 16, 2010, 12:51 amDoes the same happen when using that display alone?

This post has been edited by Racerx: Dec 16 2010, 12:51 AM

I don't see how you can call E-IPS as more or less TN when the crystal molecules move parallel to the panel plane instead of perpendicular to it like TN.It's cheaper because it has a wider aperture than previous iterations of IPS.This increases light transmission thus enabling the use of cheaper,lower powered backlight.E-IPS LCDs are also cheaper since it doesn't have an ATW Polarizer so off axis you'll see IPS glow compared to the current gen top end H-IPS and S-IPS displays.

For the car analogy,imo that is not even close to accurate.Comparing a JDM Civic Type R versus a Golf GTi would be better since both cost around the same yet the Type R would be faster on corners compared to the GTi.On the other hand the GTi have a better ride quality and it's NVH is also lower.If you compare their top speed they would be about the same.
The Golf GTi would be the E-IPS displays like the U2311H while the Type R will be the premium TN panels like the Samsung BX2350.

About the marketing hype,i haven't seen any of it.Heck,Dell doesn't even declare that their monitors use E-IPS.I found out after digging through websites since IPS displays under RM1k aren't heard of before and i thought it's weird.

One more thing,fyi i've seen E-IPS vs H-IPS vs TN side by side head on before,colours simply look better on the IPSs compared to the TN.About viewing angles,if viewed within x and y axes both are equally good,off axes then the E-IPS will exhibit glowing.For TN,well the colours are completely inverted if viewed from below [around 45 degrees or so for most ].

I stand corrected with my opinion that E-IPS is better at most usage scenarios with it's better colours,better viewing angles relative to TN panels,fast enough response times for most people.
Since you said before that people who care about the differences in colour are colour freaks and doesn't represent the majority,the same can be said about people who care about the fastest response times too.
Not all people have fast reflexes and eyes good enough to see if it's ghosting or not which is the same case for colours as well.

BTW,i didn't say IPS is THE BEST of all,not once.I knew that H-IPS displays,while having superb colour reproduction exhibits noticeable input lag and ghosting.I also know there's the crowd which can see the ghosting with 5MS displays and swear by TNs with 2MS response times [benchmarked response times not manufacturer claims],these are demanding gamers which are not the majority like the demanding users who want the most accurate colours possible who you called colour freaks.
The E-IPS on the other hand strikes a fine balance between typical TN and IPS,it's neither the fastest nor the best colour reproducer.

This post has been edited by Racerx: Dec 16 2010, 03:08 AM

E-IPS is a stripped down version of high end IPSs from today,but compare that to any others below RM1k and it's obvious which is better colours and viewing angles wise.How can you say E-IPS is more or less TN when it's totally different and it is in fact a 8bit IPS panel?Of course the S-IPS panel in the ACD is better,but it friggin costs 5 times more.........and it's not even a professional display.For professional ones look at the EIZOs and NECs.The E-IPS should be comparable to 8bit IPS displays of yesteryear while today's higher end IPS are 10bit.Heck,it's static contrast ratio is better than IPSs of yesteryear.
I can't see the problem if it can't match higher end IPSs when it costs as much as a normal TN panel display anyway.

Can't find the EW2420 in priceslists anywhere,but reviews show that it has top notch contrast ratio,but it's rather slow input lag wise and response time wise.It also has gamma shift,though not as bad as VAs of yesteryear.

It's glossy,so much so you can use it as a mirror if you turn off the display.But because it's glossy the colours have that extra pop.The price is around RM3.5K IINM.The U2711 is the same thing except that it uses CCFL [Wider colour gamut vs WLEDs like the one in ACD 27"] and has tonnes more ports
They are pretty much the same except that the E2350T doesn't have HDMI.If you want a fast TN you can't go wrong with either one.

I didn't say it's as good as S-IPS/H-IPS panels of today,but it costs as much as a TN panel only.Can't you get it?
It offers the same colour reproduction capability and viewing angles of IPS in 2006 +- while costing as much as TNs of today which still are 6bit panels.I reiterate,it's friggin sub RM700.

And what sort of failed marketing are they doing when the consumer have to dig through tonnes of website to find out that the panel they're using?That's counter effective.
Want effective marketing?Look at Apple.

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Added on December 17, 2010, 2:34 amShops i went use the U2410,and that's for viewing photos for printing only and they are shops in Kota Bharu

This post has been edited by Racerx: Dec 17 2010, 02:34 AM

it will be more accurate than some IPS panel LCDs out of box,but it still is a 6bit panel so dithering is still used to simulate 16.7mil colours

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Added on December 17, 2010, 11:02 amGoing by your logic,a BMW 3 series isn't a beemer,only the 5 series and 7 series are.You're telling me i'm a colour freak,now going by the same logic you're a response time freak?Using your logic again most people won't see the difference between a 2ms display and a 8ms display.About that article,it's old and doesn't necessarily reflect the environment today.It says S-IPS and H-IPS displays are still 8bit displays when ones today are 10bit displays.
Here's a review of your 3007wfp,see how it stacks up to todays IPS...even an E-IPS panel has better contrast and response time.[I don't mean to diss your display,i just wanna show that the tech has improved making better products cheaper]
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_3008wfp.htm
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2311h.htm
Finally,i rest my case,our argument is too long already and it's taken too much of the thread.

This post has been edited by Racerx: Dec 17 2010, 11:11 AM

Have you tried gaming on a lcd tv/monitor before?

Did you see any ghosting with the cc lcd?

wait guys,what sort of tearing are you guys seeing?Shouldn't it be solved if you turn on Vsync?

It's already released overseas but not here....
The Benq does have a 3000:1 tested contrast ratio,but it's input lag is quite high.

it's among the best TN panel LCDs you can get,plus Samsung LCDs are typically more expensive than other even when they aren't the best.

what monitor did you use before the H233H?Did you notice any trailing/blurring with it?

mine's a REVA00.If within the x and y axis there's no colour shift .Plus my eyes can't detect any warm/cold colour gradient on the left and right side of the display.
If you view it off axis there's the IPS glow,the display becomes yellow/orange-ish if the background's black.

For your first question,i tried viewing it about 2 meters away [my room's small] and there's no colour shift.

For your 2nd question,colour shift only occurs for me when it's viewed off axis,if within axis there's no colour shift even at extreme angles.However the brightness/contrast is slightly reduced though when viewed from extreme angles.

well,the 2209WA is better for your usage since it doesn't have the colour gradient problem compared to the u2311h/u221h.

if your budget is around rm600 only then the u2211h/u2311h will give the most accurate colour.Do you have a colorimeter with you btw?

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Added on December 31, 2010, 1:24 amtry asking dma0991/TDUEnthusiast,they bought REVA01 units recently.See if their unit have the colour shift or not.

This post has been edited by Racerx: Dec 31 2010, 01:24 AM

For photo editing?consider the Dell Ultrasharp U2311H/E2211H/2209WA,they use eIPS panel which have better colour reproduction than TN panels of the same price.They are also tuned for colour accuracy.

i've seen people recommend LED backlit LCDs before based on the fact that it's brighter
Try turning off dynamic contrast and use standard/user colour preset.

actually even 2560x1440 is already pushing your HD5870 to it's limits.If gaming and movies is all you do then i suggest a 32" fullHD LCD TV instead.Less pixels so your movies won't look too pixelated and your HD5870 is still great for 1920x1080

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/162

look at the 2560x1600 results,40+-fps is ok,but it's not 50+ you're claiming.
and no,i don't have a 5870/2560X1600 combo with me.

Geez,do you have something personal against me?
I posted anandtech since it's easy to compare to other cards.
Now,have you read my post properly,i said 40+-fps,Crysis isn't even at 40FPS to begin with.

the U2311H's power consumption isn't that high,it's just 33W compared to the LED backlit LCDs that range from 25-28W.