we all crash
but the most important is getting up after the crash ... and oso what we learn from the crash

HB FP is not ez to fly ... floaty and laggy
if u can fly that thing ... 450 helis will be EZ for u .. hehehe

just fly the HBFP as it is ... by the time u start changing and upgrading etc etc .. u will find out that the costs of those change and upgrades can amount to a new heli or much more than your HBFP
in this case u might as well just get the HBFP v2 is that is your cup of tea

the gu-344 is ok la ... acceptable
it depends on the frame u are building
it only takes quads .. + or x mode

that video u put is the infamous WARTHOX from RCG ... a very well known quad flyer
i think almost nobody flies like him ... maybe one day i can fly like him .. hehehe
he was using a MULTI WII CONTROLLER board ... very nice but needs to work on machine codes a bit i think
i am getting a MWC myself ... its in the mail but ALL IN ONE board instead of having to solder 2-3 boards together

if u DIY everything from wood like me ... then roughly rm300 for motors & ESCs & cables etc
then add in the cost of the flight controller that u wanna use

one of my flight controller is this one ..
the one in the video is the early units

the HBK boards is a KK board ...
i find the quality of the HBK board a bit inconsistent with a fren's one ... depends on your luck i suppose
if u choose to go the KK way .... then the RED boards from SG is good .. i have purchased at least 5 from them ... so far no reported faults ... choose normal mail instead of EMS to save $$$ ... hehehehe

this is another board i have (somebody recorded it with a samsung galaxy NOTE ... video quality quite nice worr) .. flew with couple of guys yesterday ... hehehe
this board will not do acrobatics ... it is for stable flying
if u want accro like your earlier video then u will need the MULTI WII CONTROLLER ... or a well tuned KK

the FYE X4 frame was something i wanted before ... then looking at my pocket .. no $$$$ ... so DIY la
its a nice frame .. with built in LEDs sommo
but if u wanna do aerobatics flips etc ... i dont think that is the frame for u .. u need something less fragile .. hehehe
maybe u can DIY from CF material .. that will be excellent

yup ... bought my red boards from that place
support is very good if u face any problems

that one new product in HBK ...
looks good and nice ... maybe u can try it and let us know ?? hehehe

the DJI frame has some issues ... but the primary selling point is the power distribution and crash resistant
those issues may or may not affect some ppl depending on what they electronics they use

the wooden frame i made only cost me rm5 .. not usd8

longer flybar will give u more stability but u have to sacrifice response and speed

the ez option will be to buy the HBK usd7.95 one .. not bad

how i made mine ...

2 x plywood (100mmx100mmx2mm) .. i use cake boards from cake supplier >> rm0.70 per piece and cut to size
1 x square wooden stick (12mmx12mm) ... some hardware shops will have this ... just tell them 1/2 inch piece of wood ... its 6ft long >> rm2.50
motor mounts cut from excess from cake board >> free

take piece of paper .. draw 2 lines perpendicular
take your 2 pieces of plywood .. make a mark in the exact center .. then draw 2 perpendicular lines that aligns to your arms
cut the long wood for arms according to the length of quad u wanna make
put plywood and align the lines to paper
then put the arms u cut on top of that piece of playwood and align to lines on paper too
then sandwich the other piece of plywood onto the arms

u can epox/CA/screw the arms onto those pieces of plywood ... but make sure it is secure
then cut 4 45mmx45mm square plywood pieces for your motor mounts ... mark the center points of these pieces
u can epox/CA/screw those mounts onto your arms ... all same distance from the center of your plywood
if your distance pf center of mount to center of quad is 200mm then wheel diameter is 400mm .. that is your quad size

u mount the motors .. and ESCs
ESCs u can cable tie onto arms or somewhere ... anywhere oso can
then all 4 red/black cables from ESC goes into 1 ... to connect to your battery
mount flight controller as close to CG as possible (the center of the quad is the CG)
connect ESCs and RX to flight controller as per flight controller specs/settings

check for motor directions as required by flight controller
calibrate ESCs as per flight controller
put rotor blades on ... (try and balance the blades to minimise vibrations)

u are now ready to fly ... hehehehe

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Added on January 11, 2012, 2:48 pmpractice makes perfect ... u can only get better thru more practice/flight time

This post has been edited by QiW: Jan 11 2012, 02:48 PM

congrats on your new hobby
from here on it will only be much more fun .. hehehe

ya ... walkera spare parts always an issue >> price & availability
otherwise they make pretty good helis

u can use any frame with any board ..
if u plan to use this for aerobatics then u might face some issues ... this F450 frame is HEAVY !!!
u need something light with higher kv motors (1000-1300kv ... diameter 26-28mm) depending on your prop and frame size
even DIY frame oso much lighter ... and perfect for aerobatics
the 1st video u posted doing flips etc etc is a DIY frame .. but made by a PRO laa .. hahahahaa

but if your intention is aerobatics .. better go for MULTI WII CONTROLLER
those have 3 gyros and 3 accelerometers .. much better
and u can fly in aerobatic mode or stable mode (self leveling) just by flicking a switch on your radio
it is much more hassle trying to tune a MWC compared to KK ... need to read some as well as trial and error
KK is capable too ... but stability wise it loses out to a MWC

perfect !!!
very good choice .. it will fly exactly like a 6 channel with the exception of not being able to go inverted

yup ... that is the CRIUS SE EDITION ... with baro and compass
i have the LITE version on the way ... hope it gets here this week
LITE version no baro no compass so it is cheaper

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Added on January 16, 2012, 2:18 pmyup ... inverted = upside down
the heli is small so quite resistant to crashes
u just have to watch out for the tail motor when u crash .. if it flies out of its grip holder then wires will break and u loss a motor ... secure that motor anyway u can so that crashes have less chances of losing that motor

This post has been edited by QiW: Jan 16 2012, 02:18 PM

if u plan on aerobatics ...
frame size about 350-400mm diameter/wheel size/length
good budget ESC .. http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/u...?idproduct=6548
or .. http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/u...?idproduct=4312
or .. http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/u...idproduct=11429
the BLUE SERIES are good .. PLUSH oso .. and the HK SS CARD PROGRAMMABLE

if u go with something about 350mm size ...
then this motor .. http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/u...idproduct=18151
with the BLUE SERIES 12a ESC
these props .. http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/_...ating_6pc_.html
the HBK 8x4 requires lots of balancing (vibrations are copter gyro killers)
or the GAUI 330X props ... the gaui ones are 8x4.5 (these better balanced)

then just DIY your quad ... save alot .. hehehe
alternatively u can buy the warthox quad from his website .. hahahahaha

all my current frames are DIY .. light and easily repaired/replaced
i have another spider style frame on the way .. for FPV purposes
no quad to sell currently .. no money/space to build and keep la

bigger ESC = more weight and harder to place on your quad not to mention more expensive
but yes ... u can use bigger ESCs

since u can already fly heli ... quads will be easy for u
DIY frame ... rm5 or so
electronics on a budget ..
ESCs ... HK SS 18-20 programmeable
motors .. http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/u...?idProduct=8622
props ... http://www.multircshop.com/site/index.php?...ategory&path=37
controller .. http://www.multircshop.com/site/index.php?...&product_id=594

controller boards and props easy for u coz u in SG ... save lots of shipping

so total cost to u is less than rm400 ... hehehehe
excluding receiver and batt la of coz

the above motor is good to fly and does not suck batt kow kow
so very good for simply flying around ... but is bell type design .. mounting not really conventional
the sk3 motor is smaller slightly with more kv >> more suitable for aerobatics and lighter type of quad
i mentioned the sk3 coz u wanna go flip flip roll roll maa ... hahahahaaa

350-400mm diameter ... anything from 700kv to 1200kv should be no prob laa
depending on prop size ... 8 to 10inches with pitch 4 to 5 inch

in the end ... it depends on what u want your quad to do
same like single rotor heli ... scale flying and 3D flying setup and requirement not the same