no giving up... dun worry... at least my hubby wants me to breastfeed or give breast milk till at least 1 yr old... breast crawl... that's interesting... i'll try it... another discovery was it was easier to get more milk from one breast while baby is feeding on the other... i was like ...but after breastfeeding n breast milk he's still hungry coz his mouth keeps moving... not wanting to sleep... i wonder how much does he drinks? we tried to estimate by bottle for breast milk... silly? mayb i should just try other method... he hasn't slept much today... dunno whether he'll b real tired to stay awake tonite...

it's common for every new mama because previously they never got the chance to try breastfeeding before. I know it's hard especially to newborn babies, they are so soft and to the parents like us, we are always worried that we put too much hand force on them, worried the baby is actually pain but don't know how to tell us.

Anyway, my wife's condition same like yours, earlier on, she did tried her best to breastfeed but my little prince somehow just don't feel full and keep on crying for milk, could be the position is wrong, ended up we decided to pump it out and feed him with bottle, yaya we do know that direct breastfeeding is the best but in our case, since he couldn't suck well, might as well pump it out, other than that we know how many Oz is enough for him, afterall, it's still breastmilk

My wife told me that she is feeling damn pain on her breast if she didn't pump out the milk, even the nipple is cracked all that, we asked the nurses and they adviced to use a bottle for example (bird nest bottle) filled in with hot water, put at the side of your breast, slowly roll it to the center to massage your breast when pain. It feels better and will help the milk flow better

To help generate more milk for the mother, maybe you can try the enfa mama A+ as MYFM also got advertist but my wife did not have the chance to try that because we planned to breastfeed for 2 months only and after that continue with formula milk.

Babies cried could be due to hungry, pee, sh!t and sick, other than these, most of the times they are sleeping, as for my baby, i would say first 2-3 months they will only wake up for milk, after that continue back to sleep, slowly on they will have longer awake time for us to play with him.. So no worries, just feed him and let him sleep.

wondering is the demand of milk of the baby depending on the size of the baby as well?
btw, do we have latching expert in malaysia? like this?


This post has been edited by hianz86: Nov 3 2010, 06:44 PM

Breastfeeding is really no easy job. All ppl keep on crying that breastmilk is the best, but all forgot to tell what kind of agony the mother have to go through. How good it is if there is a dedicated & experience person that could accompany new mom to go through this!

NeoXeroX, at least now i know i'm not alone i tot enfa mama a+ is for preggy...

i wish there's more support for breastfeeding from hospital... the day i gave birth the midwife just position baby against by breast n that's it... luckily my sil gave me pregnancy n parenting book to read... else i dunno wat to do... gov hospital should give more guidance to first time mummies... just across the causeway, the hospital over there shows mummies how to breastfeed, latching, bathing n even recommend which formula milk... the midwifes are gentle somemore... where to find such service here? private hospital??

Cas, wat n where to get fenugreek seeds?

is there any other way to boost milk supply??

someone told.. eat white carrot or lobak putih to increase breast milk.. and can also drink air longan.. that u can find in chineese medicine shop or sensehh..

or refer here lah heheh

http://www.susuibu.com/modules/newbb/viewt...id=4928&forum=7

got 2 types of enfa mama a+ if i am not wrong, you may need to check with those selling babies things shop to check it out or chinese medicine shop, about the midwife, actually my wife give birth at private hospital, its Adventist Hospital located at Penang, overall the nurses are friendly enough to guide us patiently on how to breastfeed, bath and etc.. things that new parenthood should learn about..

during my wife's confinement, i heard aunty aunty they all say if cook papaya + soup will produce more milk, of coz the papaya is belum masak de, normally those masak de papaya is orange in color, must buy those still in green color papaya then boil with soup, i am not sure about how to cook but my wife told me after had the papaya soup, it really boots up the breastmilk, maybe you can ask your mil or your mother for more details..

anyway good luck ya

hi..just saw ur thread here.. im a new mother too.. with my beautiful 6 months baby girl.. i think i know how u feel right now. coz i had the same/exact condition as urs. baby was crying in d middle of the night even after breastfeed. i think all babies are like that.. dont worry dear u only will experience this not for long.. not saying that u should ignore him! do what u are doing. n u r doing it right. coz u are his mother. i even cried together with my baby girl because i dont know what to do to stop her from crying *in d middle of d night*.

i have no problem with my milk.. my secret? during my confinement, i eat lots of cabbage. by putting 4-5 cabbage leaves in a newly cooked rice pot.. for 5-10 minutes.. let it warm n soft.. and eat it with warm rice.. can eat with some ikan bilis also. nyum2..i eat that on the first 2 weeks..with some other dishes.. not forget to drink lots of warm water.. or any milk will do.. cabbage is anti-oxidant. it will produce more milk dear.. plus.. baby boy usually drinks more milk than baby girl.. thats what my mom said. so u have to b strong! the more u breastfeed/pump out milk, the more milk will produce. so never stop breastfeed!

the warm towel thing is to make the milk flow out easily. same as warm shower. anything to do with warm water on ur breast area will automatically make ur milk comes out easily.

u'll be fine if u can follow ur baby's "schedule". i promise! good luck dear! hope my opinion works on u.. have a nice day!

medical students nowadays are trained to give advice to first time mother...including correct technique, when and how to breastfeed, what to do if breast is engorged, how to increase milk, how to express milk...

yet i think, it's not easy giving breastfeed compared to being the mother itself...

but important point is...engorged or not..painful or not...the key is correct technique and frequent feeding...if nipple is sore, express it...but dont give with bottle to the baby...he might get "nipple confusion" causing him to refuse true nipple and prefer bottle fed...even though u're using breast milk, but touching and bonding is not there...

touching between babies and mothers are very important to transfer normal flora to the baby, also this will stimulate mother emotionally and cause oxytocin reflex...producing more milk

thanks for all the feedbacks...

neo, i think only can go surveying after confinement papaya soup... will try to find out

fateen, cabbage is consider as "cold" so kenot eat during confinement... mayb after confinement... btw i heard from my bro that cabbage can oso b use on the breast if u wanna wean off... it's said to reduce the pain...

yes, you are right on the above hospital nurse intro my wife so too

does the two hrs per feed stay long? i read from book that abt 3 mths they feed abt 5 times including nite feeds... then gradually less n less... true?

it depends on the baby itself i should say, case by case, like my baby he is now 5 months, we are feeding him 3-4 hours each according to his demand, if he is asleep, it can be longer like 4-5 hours but when he is awake, it could be less than 3 hours and he is for milk already.. but usually my baby sleep longer in the night, feed once before put him on the bed, be it 11pm+, he will sleep throughout the night until 4-5am then only awake for milk

I believe you can do it, it takes time

neo, i know formula fed baby can establish "schedule" faster... but wat abt breastfed baby?

been trying to breastfeed baby whole day wif just one or two glucose water n one formula at nite... but the catch is to put him into rocking baby bed after feed but if i dun, he'll still for milk...

i know i still have a mth plus to go but can't help worrying abt baby's feed when i start work later... how to breastfeed if i'm not around? my milk is still not enuf for pumping... even pump not enuf for whole day...

Babe, I know breast is best but I feel it's not practical for us working moms. My baby is mostly on formula/bottle (she's 1.5 months) because she demands a huge amount of milk and besides, I've heard alot of moms complain that although breast feeding has its benefit - the disadvange is the child becoming so used to it that they refuse bottle feeding. And in that sense, the mom has to be around always for that. 2 cousins of mine were like that, they refused to drink from the bottle coz they were so used with breastfeeding. So what happens when we go back to work? Obviously it's quite difficult to breast feed the child and even if you want to pump the milk out, I doubt there's enough to last the whole day. Right now I'm giving her formula about 90% of the time, I breastfeed her in-betwen feeds when she's hungry and at night just to soothe her so that she'll go to sleep. Sucks to be going back to work soon

When you feed baby glucose water n formula, pump.

Are you eating and drinking enough, sweetie?

One thing good to go for formula feed is we know the total of amount milk(Oz) that our baby needs, but we will not know via breastfeed, and also breastfeed baby usually will cry for milk much more faster than formula feed. probably breastfeed will need to feed them within 1-2 hours approximately

I'm totally agreed with Cas on the working moms nowadays, when you are back to work, it's very hard to perform the breastfeed unless you wake up early in the morning to pump once, lunch time once (in the toilet) and keep it in office's pantry <-- this will be awkward for you especially those male colleagues in and out pantry to open the fridge for drinks.

My advice will be, try to discuss with your hubby on this issue, might need to go more formula feed than breast feed, the ratio can be from 3-4 formula feed : 1-2 breast feed. You have no choice but to practice bottle feed frequently unless you decide to rest another few months more, otherwise when you are back to work, then the nightmare begins

We parents are always trying to give the best to our childrens without hoping for any returns

Btw if you're too embarrassed about putting the milk in fridge, put inside a tupperware.

Oops i forgot to mention that, if we keep the milk outside the fridge, make sure you use it within 24hours, my recommend will be within 6 hours to keep the milk fresh, the reason why we store it in the fridge is to keep it longer

cas, it sucks to go back to work n missing out baby development but wat to do? no money no milk

neo, for the last two days i've been trying to give breast milk only during the day n nite feeds... currently, only 50% successful... at nite my hubby will feed him kao kao formula (n oso to bond wif baby ) before sleep... last abt 3-4 hrs... unfortunately there's no fridge in my office... but office is near to home... will b trying anmum lacta to c if it works... another thing is i'll b resigning after i go back to work... so i can continue breastfeed after that...

syd, i eat a lot for confinement but i keep feeling thirsty eventhough i just drink... the thing is i kenot drink plain water for my confinement n that's keeping me thirsty... n ya... my urine is dark yellow... still 2 more weeks then i'm out of my confinement... currently i've stop pumping for a while coz i know i dun have enuf to pump... i'm waiting to c if anmum lacta n diminish thirstiness would help boost milk supply... if i had enuf sleep, heck no...

sometimes i would cry when baby cries coz i would blame myself for not providing enuf milk, dunno wat he's crying for, etc... being first timer sucks... but i'm lucky to have a caring hubby (coz he dun want me to become depress)