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hoongern
post Jan 26 2006, 02:55 AM

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QUOTE(spikeee @ Jan 25 2006, 06:33 PM)
btw i'm having some problems with the final mastering. was wondering how much i should do a hard limit on it . i did +9 db and all i got was extreme bass frequency phase cancellation sad.gif was bad.
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How can a limiter cause phase cancellation? I've never known that to happen, nor can I think how it would have happened....

Why +9dB anyway? Normally I just use a limiter to prevent clipping... And I don't really compress my recordings (depends what kind of recording)... I like dynamic range..
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QUOTE(XCremator @ Jan 26 2006, 02:45 AM)
Its called Suici-Dial actually the song purpose was to tease my drummer who relly like to play piano but dunno how to play it and always silap and play the sound macam dalam lagu.. then we all decide to tease him to the max by recording it laugh.gif
I'll check it out later

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you're good bro  thumbup.gif  you know we layered 2 sets guitar sound and layered it with each other.. (...)
but today my uni net really sucks laa... so hard to upload stufz  shakehead.gif
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but why didn't you panned both tracks harder ?
BTW, do you know any FX that allows to "expand" a mono recording on the stereo ? I think it can be done by panning just certain set of frequencies at different % and keeping some other frequencies in the middle..; have you heard of that ? I think that's how guitar solos can sound so BIG and occupying so much stereo space.

can't wait to hear your best recording ! how long have you been playing with that band ? And what instrument are you playing ?
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QUOTE(Pix @ Jan 26 2006, 01:11 AM)
it sounded to me like Now that you're gone was recorded way earlier than Lost... The sound in Lost is much better, and the mastering of the instruments (guitar solo, rythm, bass) is better. The voice is interesting, can't say it's a "perfect" voice, but there is a catchy thing in it.

In Lost, the heavy rythm just after the intro was done with the MT1 ? That's very effective !!

Recording seems good to me, except maybe:
voice is a bit dry (more reverb /compression ?)
heavy rythm guitar ... you recorded two tracks of heavy guitars, and panned it on each side, but still you could have gone further left and right for those guitars : i just "feel" they are too much in the center.
the bass could have been clearer, it's a bit dark, blur ( i'm talking about the clean parts ). The bass line is really good, here i'm just commenting about the sound.

evo.com > next time you post a track i'll only say "it reminds me of xxxx ...", and that's it. Not very nice tongue.gif
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well it does remind me of hoobastank smile.gif I only heard now that you're gone and everything seems alright except for the vocals.... very plain and the tone is not consistent...
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post Jan 26 2006, 08:33 AM

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QUOTE(XCremator @ Jan 25 2006, 07:52 PM)
Owh since u all insist  blush.gif

Well the this is one of the first songs that my band created.. entitle Lost.. create this songs when we are all in form 4  blush.gif arround 2000-2001 at that time still quite n00bs in sound recording.. just cucuk the power masuk sound blaster live >.< at this time semua band member tgh layan metallica thats why the songs kinda rock  whistling.gif

http://s18.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2ZEJ366...CY0R35UUU1HPQHP

Hardware Equipment:

Pyramid Electric Guitar
Boss DS-1 Distortion
Boss MT-1 Metal Zone
Zoom 707

Software:

Goldwave
Multiquence
Sound Forge
Mod Plug Tracker (Drums)


then after a year we made another songs.. actually there is alot of idea but only a few that we implement it into recording.. this songs is called Now That You're Gone.. at this time there is alot of Nickelback's influece in making this songs  laugh.gif

http://s10.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2L7LGLE...HW2YG6LGQK0RG5Z

Hardware Equipment:

Yamaha TRS-Pro
Zoom GFX 4
Line 6 POD XT
Shure SM58

Software:

Goldwave
Multiquence
Sound Forge
Mod Plug Tracker (Drums)

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QUOTE(XCremator @ Jan 26 2006, 02:45 AM)
i have a latest release in the studio back in melawati

BTW here some new song.. i like the sound of drums in this settings and the heavy rythym.. the spec is the same as Now That Youre gone

BTW all of the voice are made by a single person just change the frequency and a guy can make a woman voice wink.gif

Its called Suici-Dial actually the song purpose was to tease my drummer who relly like to play piano but dunno how to play it and always silap and play the sound macam dalam lagu.. then we all decide to tease him to the max by recording it laugh.gif

http://s17.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3H28SOQ...233ML8W9B7R2SRZ
you're good bro  thumbup.gif  you know we layered 2 sets guitar sound and layered it with each other.. you sure have sensitive ears.. notworthy.gif dont worry tomorow i will host one of my band new release i think the recording quality for the song im going to post is the best so far..(for me lah tongue.gif).. and no longer use golwave and multiquence.. up another lavel using sonar 3 and Boss GT-8  whistling.gif
but today my uni net really sucks laa... so hard to upload stufz  shakehead.gif
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i think that these posts belong to the my song thread, don't you think?
i listened to the lost track and i find it catchy. but imo the vocalist really need to feel whatever things that he's singing. nice recording quality thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

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post Jan 26 2006, 09:11 AM

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xnobys, it depends... we can also pretend that:
my song's thread ==> musical comment (composition, technical ability)
music recording's thread ==> recording comment (tone, dynamic, stereo range, clarity, etc...)
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i think that these posts belong to the my song thread, don't you think?


Yup just as Pix says im not trying to promote my songs here but rather to discuss the recording process and instrument use to get the best tone/sound with a DIY setup.. smile.gif

Maybe Later will post some of the songs in that thread rolleyes.gif

BTW here sumthing for u guys.. so far the material that is in my pc this is the best yet .. back in the studio there is more newer and more dynamic recording meterials.. later by next week i'll try to post a few more songs with Sonar/Motu setups since im starting my mid term break whistling.gif ...

This songs is caller Losing it all.. implement simple stereo sounds.. still new in stereo mixing.. later i'll post other example of Sonar type of recording.. as for now this is the only sonar mixing that i have with..

http://s5.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0J57161EIPLIZ0ESYPQC2R8SZS

although mixing is made by sonar.. the drum sound is still using modplug tracker.. so the sound kinda digitalized.. not quite natural.. later i'll post one of my songs that uses direct miking drum..


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hoongern, i don't know, i thought that when mastering, one should compress the sound for maximum volume?
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post Jan 27 2006, 06:11 AM

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QUOTE(spikeee @ Jan 26 2006, 04:59 PM)
hoongern, i don't know, i thought that when mastering, one should compress the sound for maximum volume?
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It all depends on what you're doing. I guess the trend for pop music is slight compression, for techno heavy compression.. I myself like dynamic range - and I do classical recordings. I NEVER compress any of my stuff if I can help it - it sounds terrible compressed. For me, I just use compression to even out fluctuating dynamics.. but I don't use it to raise the average volume level.

Again there are different trains of thought for this.. but I don't like using compression to raise the volume level.
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hoongern, so what you're saying is that :
- sometimes apply compression on certain instruments to even out their attacks / volume.
- never apply compression on the whole track

I didn't know techno tracks were using such hard compression... But for which purpose ? Maximum bass impact without distortion ?
What I remember (but i'm not sure) is that compression is done on tracks so they can get broadcast on radio "better".
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For me, it all depends on what you're doing. There are no hard rules..

Yes, radio and any stuff which is broadcasted is compressed.. less dynamic range I think is cheaper to broadcast (at least in digital sense it requires less bits..) I'm not sure.

But compression just depends what you're doing.. what kind of genre I guess.
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i believe they compress the song on a radio so the song wouldn't exceed the dynamic range of what a typical radio carrier offers. yeah.. ok... alright.. you're right, it all boils down to the reduction of data to be transmitted.

i like your signature laugh.gif
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hmm.. then how do i make the volume of my final mix loud enough to be on par with other songs without clipping?
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you have to check which frequency is actually clipping... and then you reduce the volume of that frequency (and better : you reduce the frequency on the particular instrument's recording track where it is too high, not on the whole track). Then you can increase the volume of overall track.

Note : bass frequency are usually too loud + they saturate (=clip) quicker than other frequencies.
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QUOTE(spikeee @ Jan 27 2006, 04:57 PM)
hmm.. then how do i make the volume of my final mix loud enough to be on par with other songs without clipping?
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Other songs - meaning others in the same album or just totally different songs? If it's different from other songs, I wouldn't worry too much - different mixes have different levels... although yes, you would normalize the final mixdown.. and depending on taste, and genre, a little compression..

Albums all differ from one to another - if you notice, most classical recordings have a lower average level...

One reason why I don't put too much compression though - it is easy to compress, but once compressed, you can't expand it unless you have the compression settings. And another is that I do classical recordings. I guess I'm not much help here actually.

One thing though - Drums&bass with nice compression can sound really nice... As with many other things.

And yes, @ Pix, there's no place like 127.0.0.1 - definitely not. Home sweet home...
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Anyone using ESI Maya 44 soundcard?
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I'm just wondering whether anyone here has used AKG C451B mics.. I'm getting two of them, and I'm just wondering how they perform. I'm especially interested in their ORTF/XY performance.. I'm not really sure how to set up a proper ORTF with S/D (shotgun) condensers since their capsules would be angled slightly away from each other if they're sitting on top of each other(haven't had this problem when I use the L/diaphragm AKG C414B-ULS).

Any general comments on these mics? How's their noise-floor?

EDIT: I only seem to be able to find one review on the net for them, http://www.sweetwater.com/insync/reviews/review/29 . Any others around?

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QUOTE(Pix @ Jan 28 2006, 01:42 AM)
you have to check which frequency is actually clipping... and then you reduce the volume of that frequency (and better : you reduce the frequency on the particular instrument's recording track where it is too high, not on the whole track). Then you can increase the volume of overall track.

Note : bass frequency are usually too loud + they saturate (=clip) quicker than other frequencies.
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EBP > pffeeww... modern times...
and anyone about this ?
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BTW, do you know any FX that allows to "expand" a mono recording on the stereo ? I think it can be done by panning just certain set of frequencies at different % and keeping some other frequencies in the middle..; have you heard of that ? I think that's how guitar solos can sound so BIG and occupying so much stereo space.
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You can check out izotope ozone, it has a lot of features including stereo wideners, which are quite decent.

If you want a stereo guitar solo, I'd say, why don't you just record it in stereo instead of 'stereorising' a mono recording? It sounds much more natural and better as a stereo recording..
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interesting. Recording directly from a POD, the stereo output would be the exact same signal on both left and right channels, isn't it ? As far as I recall, recording in stereo or in mono from a POD gives the exact same results, unless you use a stereo effect such as stereo delay.

Recording an amp with 2 microphones could give a good stereo image, but unfortunately I don't record that way. Is it what you were talking about ?

thanks for the izotope ozone, I'll try that out.

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