Your idea is not feasible la friend. What if theres some serious shit imbalance between the numbers? What if only 3 'teams with qualified players' and 16 'teams with non qualified players' joined? Then on one side of the bracket, whichever team who wins once is already in the semis la - then free money again la, can go get married/buy LV/have family planning.

Thats why the best thing is in the first place, you guys should abstain yourself from even joining the tourney. But it seems that people like you can't control yourself because your tangan is too gatal - I suggest TFKing next time everytime you have the urge to join a dota tourney maybe?

And of course I am sure Lim can always discuss with the venue organizers and come out with an alternative plan i.e. lower the overall prize money if only a very minimal number of teams join - so stop finding excuses to make yourself feel better and redeem yourself la.

This post has been edited by RENEGADEZERG: Nov 18 2010, 07:45 PM

good idea PMKDUNIA

This post has been edited by Handelababy^^: Nov 19 2010, 12:44 AM

i join just for the sake of playing some fun dota only with my friends, and to see where i stand compare to others @@ u wan qualify isit ? than jz ask for da slot lor since dey have so many ..haha pls dont flame me bak

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+1

winning once against qualified player is better ?

or letting team who has not qualified and attempted to join qualifier multiple times and failing get beat up by them again in first round or 2nd round?

either way these teams that has not qualified has low chance of winning them already, letting these teams having to go against them is like throwing their registeration money,efforts to join the tournament, efforts put in training altogether

this will just discourage and demoralize aspiring teams and players if this goes on and dota will be an "elitist community" and this will kill the dota community we know today and in the end the game will die ..

thanks ^^baobao

This post has been edited by LiLFreaK: Nov 19 2010, 01:46 PM

Any banned team for the coming sino-net tourney?

sinonet home taem is joining the sino revenge LOL

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Honestly, revenge is for those who cannot make it on previous qualifiers. Being unfair will just create a bad image of the organization to public. Hope organizers should reconsider the rule and regulation...Wish to see new face teams to qualify lo, otherwise repeatedly seeing same players qualify in different qualifying places of tourney. Ended up there will be less teams to show up in Grand Final...

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Don't get your points at all. It doesn't matter if these not yet qualified teams were to get smashed into a bloody pulp in the finals, you shouldn't waste their time and money and deny them a fair chance of qualifying for it by participating in the revenge qualifiers when you have already qualified. Wasting their registration money - what? I don't see how this should bother you at all. Its up to their discretion to join tourneys or not, after taking into account the probability of winning and such. But by right, it shouldn't be up to your discretion to join revenge qualifiers if you have already qualified.

So if all the 30 or what teams that are already qualified were to join the revenge qualifier and this team X who have not yet qualified also were to do the same, wouldn't this might seriously reduce their chances of qualifying for the grand finals and thus wasting their time/money/training effort etc? Logic please.

This post has been edited by RENEGADEZERG: Nov 19 2010, 09:58 PM

please read what i said and understand them before replying

the part that i said the unqualified team will just get owned by the qualified team is because u said that if put all qualified players in same bracket would make the bracket too less team and by playing 2 games its already semi , which is why i said it doesnt matter the numbers teams in the qualified bracket team as i suggested since if u put any normal teams there without qualified players they would easily get beaten by the "what if only 3 qualified teams join that u mentioned earlier)


you are just replying out of context u dont get what i am trying to say here at all

for every points that i am saying is related to the previous one or as respond to what u said

but u are just taking them out of context like a stand alone statement

my idea here is to help the teams that have not qualified to qualify. but at the same time can compromise and respect with venue organizer's wishes. unqualified teams happy, organizer happy .. hopefully everyone goes back home happy..

before talking about logic , please have common sense and comprehension first

This post has been edited by LiLFreaK: Nov 19 2010, 10:19 PM

Ok first of all, my bad for misinterpreting.

With that said, what silly idea are you trying to put forth here? First of all, why should you separate the teams like this? There's bound to be and I can definitely guarantee that there will be an imbalance of ratio in either of the brackets and no teams deserve such a big advantage over another team i.e. win one time and you're in the semis. You may argue say something like but well those unqualified teams will probably lose most of the time to those teams with qualified player which is probably true but so what? With your logic, you are implying that in tourneys that Nirvana.My joins with very few other big names, they should automatically be placed in the finals or maybe even better just automatically crown them as the champion of the tourneys la. All of these nonsense and so called formatting should not even arise in the first place if qualified players in the first place do not participate in these revenge tourneys. So you think just because you wanna participate and maybe feel less guilty etc, you think the best way of making this tourney as fair as possible is by having the brackets arranged in such a manner ah? You think you are doing everyone including the organisers a favour by proposing to them an idea to have these tourneys in such a way? What for? What is there to compromise?

Don't even bother suggesting something like this just to make it more 'fair' for others etc etc when in the first place the best thing you can do to make this tourney to be as fair as possibly can is by not even joining it in the first place.

This post has been edited by RENEGADEZERG: Nov 20 2010, 12:25 AM

whats fair when qualified players keep joining...

nothing fair..just because u qualified player wanna join + win money or watever , keep making new story to cover up..to make ur self in nice position..

It's actually kinda the organizer's fault for not enforcing the rule in the first place. We already know that SMM Revenge Revival is to cater teams that haven't qualify, giving them a "second" chance to qualify. But somehow this year, they are not enforcing the rules and gave qualified players chance to play again, which is totally weird and nonsensical. Seems like the professionalism of some organizers is going down the drain, abusing loopholes in their own rules such as that a lesser individual/team would not have a favourable position to come out on top of a concrete argument, while making more money at the same time.

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On a general note, I actually have no idea why when it comes to DotA, when some tournaments are supposed to "ban" teams/players, they don't enforce the rule(s) professionally and abuse the loopholes of it to give their friends or the more "known" players a chance to play in it even though they aren't suppose to be able to do so. Organizers should be more aware about the importance of their rules and not to bend it every time just because of their "friends", because that totally takes the professionalism out of our e-sports scene. What I meant to say is that, if you want to ban teams/players then stick to it, if you can't stick to it then don't ban anyone in the first place.


What done is done, I guess. I just do hope that organizers and players alike will be much more professional next year - with organizers clearly stating and enforcing their rules, and with players honestly and obediently obeying the rules. There's enough corruption in our country, don't let our e-sports scene suffer from it too.

This post has been edited by k1LL/st3aL: Nov 20 2010, 05:03 AM

is that even an advantage for obvious superior team not having to play more games against some normal teams?

i guess these teams would prefer to have more games to play so they can bash some lesser teams

anyway in regard to your "dont bother suggesting something like this"

thing is we wont be here discussing about this if the organizer properly enforced the rule anyway , either way the decision has been made , the organizer will have their team to play on the revenge qualifier anyway , nothing can be done about that . but during the tournament day so whichever team that have to fight against them in first and 2nd round

what do u think these teams will felt? just like in previous revenge qualifier, alot of these teams already got demotivated and demoralized , imagine after failing in more 2 qualifiers previously (if not more) then just as they thought they have chance to qualify in revenge tournament . they have to face against 5 strong qualified player in the first round or second round ?

how would they feel? after hours and alot of effort put in training , and coming to the competition and and u get is first round/2nd round against 5 strong qualified player

since we already know the goal of organizer is team to win in their homegrown , but what about those aspiring teams ? they just want to try their best to qualify if not prove their worth among the dota community

because some people their thinking is if they lost to qualified team they would feel unhappy and unfair , rather than losing in first or 2nd round against other normal teams . which would give them more motivation to train and strive harder to win in next tournaments

This post has been edited by LiLFreaK: Nov 20 2010, 02:24 PM

First of all, we need to distinguish between the "sponsors" and the "organisers"

Sponsors are the ones forking out the cash who made all this possible. Without them, this whole "E-sports" and "Dota tournament" stuffs that we come to love will not be possible.

Organisers are the ones who try as hard as they can in limited circumstances to make a sponsored event a success. And yea, organisers are bound to the wishes of the Sponsors. Normally, these are the guys who do the most work and bears the most brunt from the ever passionate "public".

As an ever-passionate organiser, cries of fairness within the scene are always heard and fought for within our circles. We do all we can to make those "fairness" things happen, but given a choice of shutting down a whole tournament and the alternative, the obvious choice will be picked. And even if the not-so-beautiful choice is picked, we still do all we can to make it a level playing field for everyone involved.

As someone who does not get a dime from all this, I can safely say that everyone involved in organising these events can sleep soundly at night knowing that we did our very best to ensure our so-called "Esport Dream" is still kicking in certain parts of the country. For those who encourage the public to boycott our tournaments, we can tell them that "we rather run a "not-so-perfect" event than running a "picture perfect" one with 0 sponsors and almost 0 support from the community." If you can run a better one (which I doubt you would or even could) you are free to do so and I will personally send my thanks to you.

The whole point of joining a tournament is to win no matter the participating opposition. I voiced my concern of the community's collective decision to start banning teams 1 year earlier and these concerns has really come to bite us in the back now. Community participation has gone down drastically with basically a much lesser pool of players wanting to be the best, preferring instead to remain amateurs to win in an ever-shrinking pro-scene. Even the "amateur" scene is currently dominated by the same pool of players nowadays. The "Win" most amateur players trying to achieve turns out to be a big "Loss" for the large part of the community.

With the current sick climate we are having, the organisers are doing all they can to keep our collective "E-sport" dream alive. you can criticise us and your thoughts are noted, but to the haters out there, at least credit the organisers for all the shit they have gone through just to present an opportunity for the community to play in a tournament. I am sure they are working on something to make the last 2 tournaments a greater success than the ones before in all aspects, for the sponsors, for the players and the community as a whole.

Coming from someone who has some knowledge in these intricacies especially from the organisers point of view, I think they did a pretty good job in the last 2 tournaments. Sponsors are happy with the turnout, a promise that a tournament is there is kept, the community took the effort to form teams and joined with a fee of RM100 and most important of all : another weekend with LAN Dota tournament action somewhere in Malaysia (making the E-sports scene vibrant?).

hmm if the same players qualify for more than 1 qualifier...then for the final both team will qualify? thn the player will play for who...

or if the same team qualify for all revenge revival...thrn at last only a few teams will qualify?

not to offend u...but i jz wanna ask