Your idea is not feasible la friend. What if theres some serious shit imbalance between the numbers? What if only 3 'teams with qualified players' and 16 'teams with non qualified players' joined? Then on one side of the bracket, whichever team who wins once is already in the semis la - then free money again la, can go get married/buy LV/have family planning.

Thats why the best thing is in the first place, you guys should abstain yourself from even joining the tourney. But it seems that people like you can't control yourself because your tangan is too gatal - I suggest TFKing next time everytime you have the urge to join a dota tourney maybe?

And of course I am sure Lim can always discuss with the venue organizers and come out with an alternative plan i.e. lower the overall prize money if only a very minimal number of teams join - so stop finding excuses to make yourself feel better and redeem yourself la.

This post has been edited by RENEGADEZERG: Nov 18 2010, 07:45 PM

Don't get your points at all. It doesn't matter if these not yet qualified teams were to get smashed into a bloody pulp in the finals, you shouldn't waste their time and money and deny them a fair chance of qualifying for it by participating in the revenge qualifiers when you have already qualified. Wasting their registration money - what? I don't see how this should bother you at all. Its up to their discretion to join tourneys or not, after taking into account the probability of winning and such. But by right, it shouldn't be up to your discretion to join revenge qualifiers if you have already qualified.

So if all the 30 or what teams that are already qualified were to join the revenge qualifier and this team X who have not yet qualified also were to do the same, wouldn't this might seriously reduce their chances of qualifying for the grand finals and thus wasting their time/money/training effort etc? Logic please.

This post has been edited by RENEGADEZERG: Nov 19 2010, 09:58 PM

Ok first of all, my bad for misinterpreting.

With that said, what silly idea are you trying to put forth here? First of all, why should you separate the teams like this? There's bound to be and I can definitely guarantee that there will be an imbalance of ratio in either of the brackets and no teams deserve such a big advantage over another team i.e. win one time and you're in the semis. You may argue say something like but well those unqualified teams will probably lose most of the time to those teams with qualified player which is probably true but so what? With your logic, you are implying that in tourneys that Nirvana.My joins with very few other big names, they should automatically be placed in the finals or maybe even better just automatically crown them as the champion of the tourneys la. All of these nonsense and so called formatting should not even arise in the first place if qualified players in the first place do not participate in these revenge tourneys. So you think just because you wanna participate and maybe feel less guilty etc, you think the best way of making this tourney as fair as possible is by having the brackets arranged in such a manner ah? You think you are doing everyone including the organisers a favour by proposing to them an idea to have these tourneys in such a way? What for? What is there to compromise?

Don't even bother suggesting something like this just to make it more 'fair' for others etc etc when in the first place the best thing you can do to make this tourney to be as fair as possibly can is by not even joining it in the first place.

This post has been edited by RENEGADEZERG: Nov 20 2010, 12:25 AM

Yep, of course we won't be here discussing this if the organizer properly enforced the rule. Thats why, who is saying that the organizer isn't in the wrong? I feel the organizer should take 90% of the blame and the players should take 10% of it. What do you mean by "nothing can be done about that" - having 1 'strong' team (the organizer's home team) is definitely alot better for those teams trying to qualify than having 9420 teams with 'strong qualified' players.

In regards to the remainder of your post, all I can say is, you can do your part in helping them not be 'demoralized' and yadadada.

Who to hell told you that "there is nothing much the organizers can do but to agree with the sponsor wish"?

If SMM had integrity, they will just tell the sponsors to fuc[k] off and they will find some other sponsor. Even if it means having less sponsors and qualifiers overall, at least they can hold their head high up and say that they proud of themselves for keeping their words and also dignity intact. Where are the principles? In a worst case scenario, if theres really no sponsors at all, then they just have to cancel the whole SMM tourney. But obviously as shown by the SMM organizers, this is not on the top of their priority list and all they care about is to make money. And for you to make excuses for them is just pathetic, because shit like this happen when there are people like you who share the same ahbeng/greedy bastar[d]/must always bow to the master type of mindset/mentality/thinking as them. Then suddenly everything and anything seems acceptable and you find that rules are no longer needed to be followed properly and you can break them without any consequences/punishment.

Another thing is, if they know that most of the time they can't keep to what they say, why must they even say that team XXXX is banned? Just for show? Trying to to give players a false belief? Does not SMM know anything about marketing? Just omit it next time in the future, so players won't be conned anymore. Its called simple ethics. Don't you know and SMM know that?

I respect SMM's mission of wanting to keep the esport dream alive and whatnot in Malaysia, but they should never do it at the expense of people. A seller can never con or lie to a customer/consumer/buyer and this is a golden rule of consumerism. What is there to understand the situation? I am afraid you are the one who is not understanding it.

This post has been edited by RENEGADEZERG: Nov 26 2010, 09:21 PM