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 November DotA Tournament 2010(21november2010), SMM GNDota Tournament,Revenge Revival

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post Oct 27 2010, 05:58 PM

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wow so many revenge revival?? grand final?
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post Oct 28 2010, 12:26 AM

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when will announce grand final date and location? if possible make it at genting coz genting many entertainment and alot china chicks
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post Oct 28 2010, 10:19 PM

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need what placing to qualify ?

1st only?

or 1st to 3rd?

or 1st to 4th will qualify to grand final
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post Nov 7 2010, 10:21 PM

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more details ? player lineup for jav idol and dw .

Kechik team Lost to who
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post Nov 7 2010, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(trainer @ Nov 7 2010, 10:36 PM)
kecik team lost to survivor @ semi
if im not mistaken
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Haha kechik lost to oldman team huhu.
Nvmla at least qualify d

av idol players who? @@
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post Nov 8 2010, 10:55 AM

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mofo so imba . Bone asal tk le jumpa kechik kt final? Kau tk masuk ke qualifier lain ?
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post Nov 15 2010, 12:45 AM

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bone power got 2 malay leh

btw hope to see replay soon
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post Nov 16 2010, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(Optimist @ Nov 15 2010, 12:49 PM)
replay plsssssss
photo also i wan see the lineup

bonepower : flizzardo bone daidai n who?
adn.av : ? ? ? ? ?
adn : xxf and ? ? ? ? ?
red : ? ? ? ? ?
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bonepower nopro, bone,daidai, rjc,koala

adn.av kyxiaoyu,mofo,lemon,w4si-lucky,zephylicious
adn xiaoxiaofong,KSJJ-fate,Czack,prokser,handelababy
red HanasH , GoGkelvintan , Pyro.Technician

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post Nov 17 2010, 12:24 AM

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photo out!
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post Nov 18 2010, 12:55 PM

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lim when replay out sad.gif
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post Nov 18 2010, 03:15 PM

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i think there is nothing much Lim can do if the organizer wishes that their team to play with qualified players since they are sponsoring the venue and price

imo i think to be fair to those teams that havent qualified should be separated to different brackets , and team that exceeds 2 qualified players should be put on the same brackets

that way at least 2 teams that have not qualified would be able to qualify for grand final (2nd,3rd)

bracket separated by 4 semi finals

[teams with qualified players]-- --[teams thats have not qualified]
LOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLLOLLOLL[final]
[teams that have not qualified]-- -- [teams that have not qualified]

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post Nov 19 2010, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(RENEGADEZERG @ Nov 18 2010, 07:41 PM)
Your idea is not feasible la friend. What if theres some serious shit imbalance between the numbers? What if only 3 'teams with qualified players' and 16 'teams with non qualified players' joined? Then on one side of the bracket, whichever team who wins once is already in the semis la - then free money again la, can go get married/buy LV/have family planning.

Thats why the best thing is in the first place, you guys should abstain yourself from even joining the tourney. But it seems that people like you can't control yourself because your tangan is too gatal - I suggest TFKing next time everytime you have the urge to join a dota tourney maybe?

And of course I am sure Lim can always discuss with the venue organizers and come out with an alternative plan i.e. lower the overall prize money if only a very minimal number of teams join - so stop finding excuses to make yourself feel better and redeem yourself la.  doh.gif  doh.gif
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winning once against qualified player is better ?

or letting team who has not qualified and attempted to join qualifier multiple times and failing get beat up by them again in first round or 2nd round?

either way these teams that has not qualified has low chance of winning them already, letting these teams having to go against them is like throwing their registeration money,efforts to join the tournament, efforts put in training altogether

this will just discourage and demoralize aspiring teams and players if this goes on and dota will be an "elitist community" and this will kill the dota community we know today and in the end the game will die ..

QUOTE(Handelababy^^ @ Nov 19 2010, 12:42 AM)
good idea PMKDUNIA
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thanks ^^baobao

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post Nov 19 2010, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(RENEGADEZERG @ Nov 19 2010, 09:57 PM)
Don't get your points at all. It doesn't matter if these not yet qualified teams were to get smashed into a bloody pulp in the finals, you shouldn't waste their time and money and deny them a fair chance of qualifying for it by participating in the revenge qualifiers when you have already qualified. Wasting their registration money - what? I don't see how this should bother you at all. Its up to their discretion to join tourneys or not, after taking into account the probability of winning and such. But by right, it shouldn't be up to your discretion to join revenge qualifiers if you have already qualified.

So if all the 30 or what teams that are already qualified were to join the revenge qualifier and this team X who have not yet qualified also were to do the same, wouldn't this might seriously reduce their chances of qualifying for the grand finals and thus wasting their time/money/training effort etc? Logic please.
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please read what i said and understand them before replying

the part that i said the unqualified team will just get owned by the qualified team is because u said that if put all qualified players in same bracket would make the bracket too less team and by playing 2 games its already semi , which is why i said it doesnt matter the numbers teams in the qualified bracket team as i suggested since if u put any normal teams there without qualified players they would easily get beaten by the "what if only 3 qualified teams join that u mentioned earlier)


you are just replying out of context u dont get what i am trying to say here at all doh.gif

for every points that i am saying is related to the previous one or as respond to what u said

but u are just taking them out of context like a stand alone statement doh.gif

my idea here is to help the teams that have not qualified to qualify. but at the same time can compromise and respect with venue organizer's wishes. unqualified teams happy, organizer happy .. hopefully everyone goes back home happy..

before talking about logic , please have common sense and comprehension first

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post Nov 20 2010, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(RENEGADEZERG @ Nov 20 2010, 12:17 AM)
Ok first of all, my bad for misinterpreting.

With that said, what silly idea are you trying to put forth here? First of all, why should you separate the teams like this? There's bound to be and I can definitely guarantee that there will be an imbalance of ratio in either of the brackets and no teams deserve such a big advantage over another team i.e. win one time and you're in the semis. You may argue say something like but well those unqualified teams will probably lose most of the time to those teams with qualified player which is probably true but so what? With your logic, you are implying that in tourneys that Nirvana.My joins with very few other big names, they should automatically be placed in the finals or maybe even better just automatically crown them as the champion of the tourneys la. All of these nonsense and so called formatting should not even arise in the first place if qualified players in the first place do not participate in these revenge tourneys. So you think just because you wanna participate and maybe feel less guilty etc, you think the best way of making this tourney as fair as possible is by having the brackets arranged in such a manner ah? You think you are doing everyone including the organisers a favour by proposing to them an idea to have these tourneys in such a way? What for? What is there to compromise?

Don't even bother suggesting something like this just to make it more 'fair' for others etc etc when in the first place the best thing you can do to make this tourney to be as fair as possibly can is by not even joining it in the first place.
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is that even an advantage for obvious superior team not having to play more games against some normal teams?

i guess these teams would prefer to have more games to play so they can bash some lesser teams

anyway in regard to your "dont bother suggesting something like this"

thing is we wont be here discussing about this if the organizer properly enforced the rule anyway , either way the decision has been made , the organizer will have their team to play on the revenge qualifier anyway , nothing can be done about that . but during the tournament day so whichever team that have to fight against them in first and 2nd round

what do u think these teams will felt? just like in previous revenge qualifier, alot of these teams already got demotivated and demoralized , imagine after failing in more 2 qualifiers previously (if not more) then just as they thought they have chance to qualify in revenge tournament . they have to face against 5 strong qualified player in the first round or second round ?

how would they feel? after hours and alot of effort put in training , and coming to the competition and and u get is first round/2nd round against 5 strong qualified player

since we already know the goal of organizer is team to win in their homegrown , but what about those aspiring teams ? they just want to try their best to qualify if not prove their worth among the dota community

because some people their thinking is if they lost to qualified team they would feel unhappy and unfair , rather than losing in first or 2nd round against other normal teams . which would give them more motivation to train and strive harder to win in next tournaments

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post Nov 21 2010, 05:19 PM

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semi final left bracket

Hanash Team VS Sino Regal

semi final right bracket

Sino VS Sampah (MizuH,w4siMonkey,XiGZ,XiaoXiaoFonG,w4siLucky)
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post Nov 21 2010, 10:41 PM

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congrats to hanash and hhlong ^^
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post Nov 26 2010, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(RENEGADEZERG @ Nov 26 2010, 03:49 AM)
Yep, of course we won't be here discussing this if the organizer properly enforced the rule. Thats why, who is saying that the organizer isn't in the wrong? I feel the organizer should take 90% of the blame and the players should take 10% of it. What do you mean by "nothing can be done about that" - having 1 'strong' team (the organizer's home team) is definitely alot better for those teams trying to qualify than having 9420 teams with 'strong qualified' players.

In regards to the remainder of your post, all I can say is, you can do your part in helping them not be 'demoralized' and yadadada.
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which is why i said u have to read what i said earlier properly

the sponsor wishes that their home team to play with qualified player, there is nothing much the organizer can do but to agree with the sponsor wish, because the sponsor are the one who provide them the venue for the tournament and prize , the sponsor already made themselves clear that regardless of what their team with qualified player must play , so what can the organizer do? cancel the tournament and give 0 chance to other teams at all?

what i can tell u is , because posting understand the situation , before replying other post, read the the post properly and understand it
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post Mar 15 2011, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(Optimist @ Nov 14 2010, 10:05 PM)
Semi:
Adn.av win red
bone power win adn

Final:
bone power > adn

good to see team wf chinese n malay won!
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cant find the replay in fb...

are there gone edi?
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post Mar 15 2011, 08:58 PM

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all bone power replays ! thanks

 

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