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ben_panced
post Oct 27 2010, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(EyraYus @ Oct 27 2010, 02:35 PM)
Like ben_panced said..

I know one Blade 250 owner who have plenty of problem with his bike.. and sparepart are harder to get.. better get the 650 if u want the Blade..

20K...how much is a Ninja 250 anyway?
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new one is 22k doh.gif ...
second hand 15k for 08 model but if you're lucky you can get 09 model around that price oso thumbup.gif
coz many ninja owner became bored with their bike and upgrade to bigger cc bikes
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post Oct 27 2010, 04:54 PM

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Lol!

Superbike definitions:

Types (or design style) of superbikes:

a.) Sportsbike (track bike)- refers to aero-dynamic racing style design. Top-speed bike. Can be use for track.
b.) Cruisers (choppers as in US term) - easy rider cruisers with low-seating and so on. Not a top-speed bike but plenty of low/medium torque! - HD bikes, Vulcan 900, etc.
c.) Moto-cross - All terrain sbk motocycles. Low torque, excellent control on all terrain surfaces. - CBX450, KTM690,etc.
d.) Tour - Durable sbk motocycles. Long-distance touring bike - ST1300, Vulcan 2000
e.) Naked/Street - Street/road sbk. Medium torque bike - ER6n/f, Shiver750, etc.

For Racing type of SBK, additional info:
1. 250cc to 599cc - Sportsbike. Ie, 250r, cbr400(rr), blade 250r,etc.
2. 600cc and above - Supersport. Ie, R6, CBR600, ZX6, etc
3. 1000cc - (Supersport as well) Litre bike - K9, R1, ZX-10, Duc 1098, etc.

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post Oct 27 2010, 05:52 PM

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Yeah, but haven confirm with the new model.
I really dislike the ninja.
21k OTR now.
EFI version of ninja has less hp from the carb.
Currently no news or release for the 650EFI blade.
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post Oct 27 2010, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(AccelTech @ Oct 27 2010, 05:52 PM)
Yeah, but haven confirm with the new model.
I really dislike the ninja.
21k OTR now.
EFI version of ninja has less hp from the carb.
Currently no news or release for the 650EFI blade.
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Fi has more ponies than carb, but not by much.
theoretically Fi has better fuel mapping which leads to better combustion = higher output, better FC & cleaner exhaust than carby.

taken from kawasaki malaysia official site:
Carb - Maximum power 23.4 kW @ 11,000 rpm
Fi - Maximum power 24.0 kW @ 11,000 rpm

been told by sales agent that carby top at 170km/h while Fi can reach 200km/h.
not sure if it is true, waiting for ninja owners to confirm this after they break-in their Fi ninjas.
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post Oct 27 2010, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(EyraYus @ Oct 26 2010, 11:14 PM)
Yeah the Blade does have a bigger fuel tank.. ER6 are small which make it nimbler and lighter compared to the Blade. Yes its worth it. But for me I`ll go for the naked ER6.
Yep like I said, its the way we think. Westeners call them sportsbike, we call em superbike.
But to make it easy, lets look at the local scene  nod.gif

MSS have two categories, Superbike and Sportbike. Superbike for litre bike, Sportsbike for 600cc range bike, even the Duc 748 we raced as a Sportsbike.
It cost a lot more bro, maybe if Kawa Malaysia decide to CKD it here..
Nop you cant biggrin.gif Its still a inline two engine. I`ve heard those modded ER6 sound more like a cubprix underbone to me  doh.gif


Added on October 26, 2010, 11:18 pm

If you are going to use it as a relax cruiser, not really a speed demon :

I`ll say go for the Sym Evo250, the new one  thumbup.gif should cost around your budget I think.

Dont ever get the Blade 250. At least the 650.
ORION KTM...
Demak (both demak)

I see you also thinking about a DP bike...but its not really comfortable for highway cruising..

Why not find a good condition XV535?
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Thanks bro for your recommendation... DP bike = to what? lol i dont have a motor license yet gonna get one real soon but gonna buy a bike when i have my L. last time my L license expired i never bothered to renew.

Sym Evo i've though of it but getting the 250 might as well i get the gts200 right? its like 10k saving. i went to see the naza blade.. and demak... to be honest it is really a turn down...

thanks for your recommendation bro. saw the xv535 quite nice, but is there newer bike of those range? well i dont mind to take a lil loan, i thought of getting those below 15k coz i can pay by cash but if there is better bikes, i would not mind taking a loan... but maybe not much bout 10k or so.

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QUOTE(kidmad @ Oct 27 2010, 09:19 PM)
Thanks bro for your recommendation... DP bike = to what? lol i dont have a motor license yet gonna get one real soon but gonna buy a bike when i have my L. last time my L license expired i never bothered to renew.

Sym Evo i've though of it but getting the 250 might as well i get the gts200 right? its like 10k saving. i went to see the naza blade.. and demak... to be honest it is really a turn down...

thanks for your recommendation bro. saw the xv535 quite nice, but is there newer bike of those range? well i dont mind to take a lil loan, i thought of getting those below 15k coz i can pay by cash but if there is better bikes, i would not mind taking a loan... but maybe not much bout 10k or so.
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owh..DP is a Dual Purpose bike..those Demak and KTM u posted are DP..

Anyway dont bother looking at the Demak biggrin.gif Yep its 10K saving comparing the 250 vs 200 but u get better technology and revised version, any problem on the 200 should be fixed in the 250, it look better too.

XV535 is old biggrin.gif No more new bike though. Newer easy rider still cost a lot. Used to own the XV535. Just make sure u are buying a good conditioned unit, or the spare part price might be a problem. If everything in good condition, its bullet proof thumbup.gif

Well if you can take up around 10K loan..look for 2nd hand ER6n.


Added on October 27, 2010, 9:46 pm
QUOTE(MISMan @ Oct 27 2010, 04:54 PM)
Lol!

Superbike definitions:

Types (or design style) of superbikes:

a.) Sportsbike (track bike)- refers to aero-dynamic racing style design. Top-speed bike. Can be use for track.
b.) Cruisers (choppers as in US term) - easy rider cruisers with low-seating and so on. Not a top-speed bike but plenty of low/medium torque! - HD bikes, Vulcan 900, etc.
c.) Moto-cross - All terrain sbk motocycles. Low torque, excellent control on all terrain surfaces. - CBX450, KTM690,etc.
d.) Tour - Durable sbk motocycles. Long-distance touring bike - ST1300, Vulcan 2000
e.) Naked/Street - Street/road sbk. Medium torque bike - ER6n/f, Shiver750, etc.
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Seriously, where did you get your definitions? Never heard this kind of definitions..

Anyway..still up to one person opinion..

But go tell a hardcore Harley rider that he is riding a superbike..

Its like...saying a Hummer is a supercar...well...it is a all terrain supercar right?

This post has been edited by EyraYus: Oct 27 2010, 09:46 PM
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QUOTE(yamato @ Oct 26 2010, 07:09 PM)
something which is not common ppl can afford, or too powerful to handle... that defines SUPER(bike).

liter bike is an average class, 600 is consider entry level at europe/state.
1300-1600cc is something u see on their road everyday.

in msia.....any bike that is not kapchai or 150cc above = WOW! superbike!
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when i was in US, UK and Paris, I do not see 1300-1600cc bikes on road everyday also. exaggerated...
800cc-1.2k cc bike got a lot la, but above that, doubt so..
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post Oct 28 2010, 01:07 AM

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Naza Blade 250R user here biggrin.gif
Blade not that bad lah...but i have to agree on the parts..very hard to find...the price at Naza is ridiculous...
Cheap beginner bike...mine already 25k++ km and still going strong...ridden every single day from march 2010...until now still don't have any major problem, only the fuel meter gone crazy edy..
i choose Blade because it is bigger than Ninja, FC is better too and the v-twin sound damn nice..and most importantly because it's cheaper tongue.gif
other than those factor i would pick the Ninja though
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post Oct 28 2010, 01:18 AM

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Im also interested in Blade. Well how hard it is to find the spareparts. Is it expensive than 250r. BTW whats the difference in maitenance between the blade 250 VS Ninja 250 and blade 650 VS er6n. I know that the 250 is incomparable with the other two. Thanx
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QUOTE(masz94 @ Oct 28 2010, 01:18 AM)
Im also interested in Blade. Well how hard it is to find the spareparts. Is it expensive than 250r. BTW whats the difference in maitenance between the blade 250 VS Ninja 250 and blade 650 VS er6n. I know that the 250 is incomparable with the other two. Thanx
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It's hard to find if you live outside Klang Valley. Not many shop carry Blade sparepart. And aftermarket part is not that much too. Well since I've never changed anything major so these are the only original part prices that i know

i) Engine Oil- Depends on brand..I'm using Agip 10w40, RM35/bottle. Blade use 2 bottle (1.5 liter only actually)
ii) Oil filter-RM12
iii) Clutch lever-RM40
iv)Side mirror-RM410 for both (crazy naza!)
v) Brake Pad-RM50/piece..Blade use 3 piece, 2 front 1 rear
vi)Front mudguard-RM99

So far I'm doing regular maintenance only, change EO+oil filter, 10k km changed spark plug, 20k km changed air filter.. Every time service around RM85..
Cost of maintenance for Blade 650 and ER6n will be higher of course smile.gif
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post Oct 28 2010, 02:09 AM

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QUOTE(kapalterbang_737 @ Oct 28 2010, 01:54 AM)
It's hard to find if you live outside Klang Valley. Not many shop carry Blade sparepart. And aftermarket part is not that much too. Well since I've never changed anything major so these are the only original part prices that i know

i) Engine Oil- Depends on brand..I'm using Agip 10w40, RM35/bottle. Blade use 2 bottle (1.5 liter only actually)
ii) Oil filter-RM12
iii) Clutch lever-RM40
iv)Side mirror-RM410 for both (crazy naza!)
v) Brake Pad-RM50/piece..Blade use 3 piece, 2 front 1 rear
vi)Front mudguard-RM99

So far I'm doing regular maintenance only, change EO+oil filter, 10k km changed spark plug, 20k km changed air filter.. Every time service around RM85..
Cost of maintenance for Blade 650 and ER6n will be higher of course  smile.gif
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What about Penang area ?
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post Oct 28 2010, 02:15 AM

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naza bikes
my fren had bad experience with them
especially aftersales service.lousy parts, bad customer service etc.sorry noting much to mention here. he ends up sell off his blade and ride kriss himself.

to consider bike, dont just think of bike specs etc only.look further bro.ask all sifoos here (malaysianbikers) and they will help u.
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What about the quality of the bike itself, especially the engine ? smile.gif
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post Oct 28 2010, 03:08 AM

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Quality is so-so lah, but it does not mean it's bad. I still haven't encounter any case of the parts/bikes break by itself laugh.gif Got people using the bike from the 1st model and the odometer already turns 00000 back also still going strong until now. I never reach redline until now lol I'm not a speed junkie btw. I'm using the bike as daily commuter and casually riding up to Genting and Bukit Tinggi on weekends.

yeah the after sales service is quite bad, and the staff also not very friendly at first. but now i've seen that they start to improve. I went to their service centre only when i want to claim insurance only during warranty so not really an issue for me but i got some friends who got into and accident and they still haven't got their bike yet till now because there's no part. pity them.

oh and for Penang I'm not really sure, didn't have any Penang friend's though smile.gif
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wow...so many response already. haha, thanks guys. i think when talked about bikes, we will never stop talking.

i think i come to decision, to buy kawasaki 250r. well, it cheaper, and suits me as a beginner. some blog says dat, kawasaki 250r got really easy handling. but i still say, if not because of weird shape of front lamp of blade, and very hard to find spare part, i would choose naza blade, because its sound, its shape, very closed to what we define as a superbike in Malaysia. hehe

i hope in the future, i can buy a big bike.....hope not before my age is 40, hehe.
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Adiez, Second hand or new ?
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post Oct 28 2010, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(adiez87 @ Oct 28 2010, 06:39 AM)
wow...so many response already. haha, thanks guys. i think when talked about bikes, we will never stop talking.

i think i come to decision, to buy kawasaki 250r. well, it cheaper, and suits me as a beginner. some blog says dat, kawasaki 250r got really easy handling. but i still say, if not because of weird shape of front lamp of blade, and very hard to find spare part, i would choose naza blade, because its sound, its shape, very closed to what we define as a superbike in Malaysia. hehe

i hope in the future, i can buy a big bike.....hope not before my age is 40, hehe.
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when you have bought the bike please remember to change the tyres to bt016 for front and rear for maximum grip brows.gif
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post Oct 28 2010, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(ben_panced @ Oct 28 2010, 08:44 AM)
when you have bought the bike please remember to change the tyres to bt016 for front and rear for maximum grip  brows.gif
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just make sure the grip of your money in your wallet is maximum too tongue.gif
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post Oct 28 2010, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(kapalterbang_737 @ Oct 28 2010, 08:56 AM)
thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
just make sure the grip of your money in your wallet is maximum too  tongue.gif
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hahah good tyres always cost good money liao

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