Assume you have your offer letter from MONASH UNIVERSITY (AUS CAMPUS) & MELBOURNE UNIVERSITY for bachelor of commerce, which will you choose?

depends the course/subjects offered by both uni
but personally i will go for melbourne uni

University of Melbourne has higher reputation than Monash for commerce. =)
So, I'd choose University of Melbourne.

If money wasn't an issue and if no other factors are in the way, Melbourne definitely.

personally I would choose University of Melbourne over Monash University any day, ceteris paribus

Not much difference in tuition fees between Melbourne and Monash.

Melbourne more reputable =)

Melbourne uni any day.

take a look at the new course structure of melbourne uni though - you might or might not like it - but i think commerce is still there as an undergraduate degree because there are a few professional mainstream degrees that are not longer there but now offered as 2-yr masters after u finish your 3 yr degree - but melbourne uni for sure since im from there lol

melbourne is in the city.....monash is so out there........

melbourne used to charge significantly higher fees than others....

but the other unis have also increased their fees, and surprisingly, monash fees is equivalent to Melbourne now....and more surprisingly, for a 'simple' degree like commerce, the fees is an astronomical aud 30k a year now!!.....on par with technical courses like engineering and it/cs..........

Melbourne University
Pro:
In City Centre
High Reputation (1st in Australia 26st World Ranking if not mistaken)
High Quality Teaching
Good/Smart Environment learning

Con:
Hard to get in
Stress level increases cause surrounds with smart people

Monash
Pro:
Easier to get in
Course in easier

Con:
World ranking decrease to 188th
Place the last in group 8 Australia University
Far distance

I would say there is not much difference for fees for both of the University in Australia. But i'm not sure for the course structure.
Those comment is just based on my personal opinion

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Added on October 22, 2010, 10:37 amHi daccorn, how do you find melbourne university? Is it very hard to study?? easy to get a D??

This post has been edited by Josephinexoxo: Oct 22 2010, 10:37 AM

Would like to correct your statements, no offence.
QS Word Universities Rankings (JPA recognizes)
20 : Australian National University (1st in Australia)
37 : University of Sydney
38 : University of Melbourne
61 : Monash University (Not the last of G8)

I don't think it's easy to get into Monash Commerce, you're required to get min ATAR of 90.
If I am not mistaken, my friend told me you're required to get min ATAR of 92 for Melbourne Commerce. Not much difference.
Course is easier at Monash, I don't think so.

Some of Monash graduates tutor Melbourne students, my brother-in law's brother was the senior lecturer in the dep of Medicine of UM, just FYI, related or not IDK.

Good Luck! I support your choice.

This post has been edited by PrettyLaidback: Oct 27 2010, 03:42 PM

Yes , it is harder to get in simply because there are more prospective students who wants to get in there and uni's know that international students have unlimited amount of money so they are really setting their enter requirements higher .

It's too early to say you will be surrounded by smart/good learning environment - but I can guarantee you the lecturers in Melbourne U are of the highest caliber - the reason stopping them from being even better is if they set say the exams harder - most students would fail (its a business after all)

I'm in my final for a double degree and happen to be surrounded by peers with really high aspiration and work rate and all of which have gotten themselves a shiny job offer 6 months before graduation (4 for me since i sucked a bit more) - BUT there are really a lot of really bad students around here too because either they simply do not have the kind of hard work that a uni life would demand and there are also a lot of them who can barely speak English and always end up speaking in their native tongue (saying in general because it is not limited to just one country) - This does not apply to students who do Commerce though - the work load for commerce is ridiculously low :|

World Ranking shouldn't be a consideration for you if you want to look into getting either one but a good idea if your results are great and finance is not a problem - but it is good to look at break downs of the ranking scores where one of them would definitely be teaching environments - there is also a ranking out there that only rank universities for their faculties - now I can safely say Melbourne has bypassed Monash in every department even in Engineering cause Monash was actually better in Engineering a couple of years back.

but in the end, it is really how the student carry him/herself in a uni environment - if you choose to relax and visit places and enjoy life , then stay in Malaysia - I'm not going to be one of those who will tell you to have fun during your uni life - you can enjoy it but often you will find yourself needing to enjoy hardships and stresses - and its these things that prepare you for the gruesome employment market we are having today

I'm doing Civil Engineering and Commerce so I'd welcome questions if you have em

Thank you for sharing your experince as a Melbourne University student.
The only thing i concerned is that i'm not that smart as others JPA sholars or students in Melb Uni. So i'm, afraid that i becoming the person who are not getting good result or not getting used to the stressful learning environment. But i'm willing to study and learn from them. But, i guess its the matter of time.

So just to ask if the undergraduate study for commerce is at The Spot or School of Business Building? Did u joined any of the clubs and societies? is it FUN??


I guess i'll see u next year cause i'm still considering of going before that ^^

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Added on October 22, 2010, 2:35 pmThank for the ranking, i'm just not sure about that.
But according to Times higher education 2010, Monash has really gone down to 188th place which is a big surprise for Moansh people.

Yes, Monash has different campus with different entry rerquirement as well. For example,
Berwick, Peninsula, Gippsland, Sunway: Bachelor of Business and Comemrce *ENTRY= ~74 = RMIT university
Caulfield: Bachelor of Business *ENTRY= ~83
Clayton: Bachelor of Commerce *ENTRY= ~90
*based on what i've have seen in the Monash undergraduate handbook

So, if Clayton, i would say a yes (harder) but not for others campus which is relativity easier to get in =)

Anywya, Just correct me if i've made any mistakes on the above. Cheer

This post has been edited by Josephinexoxo: Oct 22 2010, 02:35 PM

Haha, you won't see me here because I'm going to head back to a job waiting for me in KL. Just because they are scholars doesn't mean they will survive in a university environment really - the thing is you might have the pressure there to do well but some people simply ignores it - I'm not a scholar but I do know a few in my class and I'm doing way better than them - they annoy me sometimes when a few of them just loves to stick together rather that miggle with other internationals or locals

learn from yourself is also just as important as learning from others if not more ..

clubs ar ??
I did join a few during my first year studies but to realize I simply don't have the kind of commitment anymore and trust towards others. I was heavily involved in clubs and societies in highschool but that was when I could entrust them being say the treasurer or trust them to turn up in meetings and pull their weight - in university unless you have some hardcore time management skills - its almost impossible to get properly involved in clubs unless you can live with signing up but being a no-show : ) then again - do join clubs and societies because they usually look very good one your resume larh

the thing about studying in melbourne uni is that you can rarely expect yourself to have classes in your own faculties' buildings very often simply cause that's just not how they allocate classes to lecture theatres - but yes you will spend the majority of your time between those two buildings

best part of this all is the cultural shockage when you touch down for the first time and then when you return to Malaysia for the reverse shockage and then returning to aussie for the re-shock

Neither matters. Anything less than top 30 in the world won't get you high starting salary anyways

graduating from top 30 unis in the world won't 100% guarantee you a job too anyways.

depends on what courses you do. An engineer grad from Utar definitely has higher chances of securing a job than one with, say, a philosophy major from MelbUni. And even at professionals level, they have their own competition. Do you start with a salary of RM2k or RM4k? That's the difference

nice comparison between an engineer and someone who studies philosophy - both operate in totally different fields and entirely different markets and you even refuted yourself by saying they have their own competition at professional level ....

i`ll do Melbourne Uni.

Melbourne Uni Model caters more for commerce & business

For business degree, that is indeed very high, equivalent to RM90K a year. Much more expensive than UK's, even the highly acclaimed London School of Economic only charges <RM70K.

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Added on October 24, 2010, 9:26 amWell, if that philosophy major is from Cambridge or Harvard, big international corporation will probably grabs them.


This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Oct 24 2010, 09:26 AM

Yeah the fees in quite high nowadays and the AUD currency rate is pretty high though and would reached to US dollars in some point. So the main 3 country US, AUS and UK for education is not much different nowdays. But i'm wondering where do people choose for their education? Most people will for either Aus or UK (slughty expensive)? I'm not sure whether Aus is still the first choice for students as it is nearer to our country? I might just go for UK for my postgrad..not gonna stay in Australia

anyone tried appealing for melb uni? they recently increased the ATAR requirement to 93. i got 92.5. anyone?

what course did you applied for ?

commerce. even the 2010 brochure stated 92. but the conditional offer stated 93. zzzzz i'm appealing now

brochure usually show the cut off score from the last intakes. They will always set new requirements after viewing the performance that year ^^"

melb uni!

Well apart of Monash's Humbleness and the rumoured Melb Uni snob, This is the best way to do it:

Undergrad: Monash

Postgrade: Melbourne Uni


Get the bets out of both!! xD

Agreed that the course plays a part.

From my experience, I would say that most ACCA new graduates are better than either Melbourne or Monash Commerce grads. I reckon that it has more to do with the syllabus and the marking system.

Having a degree and a qualification is two different thing.

If you wanna compare, then do this:

Monash, Melbourne Uni Commerce grads vs UTAR, Sunway, UCSI bachelor of business, accounting grads

OR

Monash, Melb UNi commerce grad with CA, (or CPA, ACCA) vs UTAR, Sunway,UCSI commerce grads with ACCA,( or CIMA, MICPA )

Then you compare.
And the result for local preference may not be the same in an international scope.
Marking is not an issue. as the distinction falls on quota,
there's quota for Pass-rate on Professional boards, there's aggregate scaling in University studies, but both are
totally different things.

Sylabus-wise is also very optional as different Uni provide courses that have different coverage of professional sylabus, hence exemption is case by case basis on each Uni.

Between Australia and UK, UK is the preferred choice where cost is more or less the same. UCL and LSE are better than Melbourne U for Commerce/Finance.

Your uni fees is not everything. When you really get into it, you will understand why I say so. Your social circle, your every-day activities, your attitude towards university... they're all different when you compare a melb uni student with a monash uni student.

But I'll leave that for another day. I just wanted to post to correct one thing.

TS, Monash, easy to get in - yes
Easier course - no

Everyone here says (and I agree, because I have personal experience).

Monash : Easy to get in, but hard to get out [graduate].
Melb : Hard to get in, but have an easier time inside.

Melb U for sure, since it is closer to city center, and your major is commerce, you may have more chances to network with more people, perhaps land a job/intern? Good luck!

For Accounting Firms, the choices are pretty clear, Sunway or UTAR with ACCA will have an advantage over Melb U n CA/CPA.

but it guarantees you a higher % in terms of getting employed =p

Like I said,
having a degree and a qualification is two different things.

and a melbourne U commerce student in accounting can take on ACCA (with 9 exemptions),
so does a UTAR student can do CPA, but of course there will be some conversion papers on law and regulations for both boards.

at a degree level, the Melb Uni cert will be more valuable than an accounting degree in UTAR. dont get me wrong.

soemhow i believe a degree form melbourne uni is better than getting acca. ACCA may enable one to secure job in big 4 firm in malaysia, but in developed nation, it is the degree that counts. Most top MNC prefers grad from top uni rather than people will only professional qualification without a degree. The brand name of the uni do carry certain weight in the eyes of recruiter